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Thorny
Location: OH
Joined: 10.15.2011

Jun 30 @ 7:58 PM ET
Yeah... you didn't read anything but that one post. You're not worth the response at this point.
- Guile


So you got nothing lol for all you wrote, you could have answered.
Weisenheimer
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Millington, TN
Joined: 02.07.2015

Jun 30 @ 8:00 PM ET
And if I am GMJR I tell him that the same team/GM gave Deryk Engelland $8.75 million over 3 years so that isn't much to go on.
- PensFan1103

If Im GMJR Im salivating having won back to back cups with pretty much the same exact roster. Exception being the addition of Letang for this upcoming season. Playing with house money at this point.
jchst22
Joined: 01.24.2013

Jun 30 @ 8:05 PM ET
If Im GMJR Im salivating having won back to back cups with pretty much the same exact roster. Exception being the addition of Letang for this upcoming season. Playing with house money at this point.
- Weisenheimer

I would say Cullen Kunitz and bonino are pretty mentionable losses. I am not counting on letang to hit 50 games next year unfortunately
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jun 30 @ 8:27 PM ET
If Im GMJR Im salivating having won back to back cups with pretty much the same exact roster. Exception being the addition of Letang for this upcoming season. Playing with house money at this point.
- Weisenheimer

Not to mention the possible additions of Sprong and Ashton-Reese. Need to fill a couple holes, but very likely to have a stronger team at least on paper.
jchst22
Joined: 01.24.2013

Jun 30 @ 8:31 PM ET
Not to mention the possible additions of Sprong and Ashton-Reese. Need to fill a couple holes, but very likely to have a stronger team at least on paper.
- Tojo.

How many right wings can you play? I thought only 4. Might be wrong though
Emperor Filonius
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Drinking the tears of the defeated from Lord Stanley's chalice.
Joined: 01.18.2007

Jun 30 @ 8:31 PM ET
I would say Cullen Kunitz and bonino are pretty mentionable losses. I am not counting on letang to hit 50 games next year unfortunately
- jchst22


I love Kunitz, but he hadn't scored a goal in like 2 months before he scored in game 7 against the Sens. At some point, the fountain of youth is going to run out for Cullen. Bonino is a bigger issue but in terms of what they bring there are replacements out there...the bigger concern to me is always change in locker room dynamic..there's a lot of good people heading out the door when you add MAF and Daley to this group.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Jun 30 @ 8:35 PM ET
How many right wings can you play? I thought only 4. Might be wrong though
- jchst22

Enough guys can play both wings to get all the best players on the ice. Fierce competition for sure though.

Just reading between the lines though, there could be a wing for center swap.
Aussiepenguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Sydney
Joined: 08.02.2014

Jun 30 @ 8:38 PM ET
Wow didn't realise the Peeds needed to sign so many players although they do have 23m according to EKs link.

So a team that didn't really fire all season & made the playoffs unconvincingly are linked to Boner who isn't a steady regular season player??

They may have reached the SCF but me thinks they will struggle next season.
T-Train
Joined: 06.20.2016

Jun 30 @ 8:41 PM ET
I love Kunitz, but he hadn't scored a goal in like 2 months before he scored in game 7 against the Sens. At some point, the fountain of youth is going to run out for Cullen. Bonino is a bigger issue but in terms of what they bring there are replacements out there...the bigger concern to me is always change in locker room dynamic..there's a lot of good people heading out the door when you add MAF and Daley to this group.
- Emperor Filonius

That's a good point. Thus far into roster additions, Reaves seems like a good person/teammate. I don't know if the same can be said for the Colorado players on the trading block. It's a point that I hadn't really taken into consideration but when you add up the personalities (potentially) leaving, it is a lot. Thankfully there are guys like Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Sully to keep order but there always is that potential for things to go south (or just to become different not in a positive way).
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 30 @ 8:41 PM ET
Yeah, I think there's only a handful of realistic FA options, so if they don't like any of those, then the trade route is the only way.

Speaking of cost, FAs typically get paid a lot (often more than they're worth). At least with a trade, you have the chance of getting a player under contract at a reasonable rate and term. Of course, you have to give up assets to get it. But I'm sure JR has a good handle on who the spare/replaceable parts are. I'm sure there's a team out there in need of a RW that the Pens have too many of.

- T-Train


Agreed. If you go the FA route, you usually end up with a drastically over-paid player. Just like Bones and Daley are going to be. We got Daley for the remains of Rob Scuderi's carcass.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if we move Rust or Sheary in a deal. The can afford to lose one of them. I hate losing Hornqvist, but I could see that too.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Jun 30 @ 8:42 PM ET
How many right wings can you play? I thought only 4. Might be wrong though
- jchst22



Considering Guentz, Rust, Kuhn, and Sheary can all player either wing, and Rowny is moreso a center... looks like we have 3 true RWs, in Kessel, Horny, and Reeves.

I think we'll manage
hipcheck_goalie
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: shreveport, LA
Joined: 02.08.2012

Jun 30 @ 8:43 PM ET
I love Kunitz, but he hadn't scored a goal in like 2 months before he scored in game 7 against the Sens. At some point, the fountain of youth is going to run out for Cullen. Bonino is a bigger issue but in terms of what they bring there are replacements out there...the bigger concern to me is always change in locker room dynamic..there's a lot of good people heading out the door when you add MAF and Daley to this group.
- Emperor Filonius

I agree that there is already going to be a ton of roster changes and hope JR doesn't upset the chemistry. I will say with Sully as a coach and Sid as the Captain, I think they wouldn't let that happen. Of the 20 roster spots, we have at least 6 that will be replaced.
T-Train
Joined: 06.20.2016

Jun 30 @ 8:45 PM ET
Agreed. If you go the FA route, you usually end up with a drastically over-paid player. Just like Bones and Daley are going to be. We got Daley for the remains of Rob Scuderi's carcass.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if we move Rust or Sheary in a deal. The can afford to lose one of them. I hate losing Hornqvist, but I could see that too.

- madmike71



Yeah, any RW for C and/or D swap is a win, IMO, just from a positional standpoint. Plenty of value in our RW assets, too.
T-Train
Joined: 06.20.2016

Jun 30 @ 8:48 PM ET
Considering Guentz, Rust, Kuhn, and Sheary can all player either wing, and Rowny is moreso a center... looks like we have 3 true RWs, in Kessel, Horny, and Reeves.

I think we'll manage

- Guile

There is a difference, though, in can play and play well. I'm sure if you asked those players they have a preference and they do for a reason.
sditulli
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jun 30 @ 8:50 PM ET
Agreed. If you go the FA route, you usually end up with a drastically over-paid player. Just like Bones and Daley are going to be. We got Daley for the remains of Rob Scuderi's carcass.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if we move Rust or Sheary in a deal. The can afford to lose one of them. I hate losing Hornqvist, but I could see that too.

- madmike71


If you hit on your draft picks then you can pay fair value in free agency. Nisky is the perfect example of a good free agent signing. If you go the trade route you lose assets. If you hit on assets you have really cheap elc contracts. You ideally build a team by locking up your own guys a year or two before ufa. They are willing to sign at more reasonable terms to mitigate major injury risks. Then hit on your draft picks.
sditulli
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jun 30 @ 8:51 PM ET
For the 3c we are acquiring if you were a betting man who are we trading?

My guess sheary or hornqvist. Guys with trade value we can most easily replace. I prefer not to move out 1st next year for a 3c.

Trade one of those two and I am going bargain shopping in the leftover winger bin to add depth. Better to add now then spend draft capital in-season.
sditulli
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jun 30 @ 8:55 PM ET
I would also like to place a bet on boninos new deal tomorrow.

My guess 6 years 32 million.

It's going to be higher than any of us think reasonable. He's arguably the best center on the market.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Jun 30 @ 9:00 PM ET
I would also like to place a bet on boninos new deal tomorrow.

My guess 6 years 32 million.

It's going to be higher than any of us think reasonable. He's arguably the best center on the market.

- sditulli


5x5......which I think is atrocious.

MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: ...serial abuser...and misuser...of the ellipsis , NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Jun 30 @ 9:05 PM ET
I would also like to place a bet on boninos new deal tomorrow.

My guess 6 years 32 million.

It's going to be higher than any of us think reasonable. He's arguably the best center on the market.

- sditulli


Props to him if he can get that but peace out.. Thanks for your services...
jchst22
Joined: 01.24.2013

Jun 30 @ 9:09 PM ET
There is a difference, though, in can play and play well. I'm sure if you asked those players they have a preference and they do for a reason.
- T-Train

This
T-Train
Joined: 06.20.2016

Jun 30 @ 9:16 PM ET
If you hit on your draft picks then you can pay fair value in free agency. Nisky is the perfect example of a good free agent signing. If you go the trade route you lose assets. If you hit on assets you have really cheap elc contracts. You ideally build a team by locking up your own guys a year or two before ufa. They are willing to sign at more reasonable terms to mitigate major injury risks. Then hit on your draft picks.
- sditulli

Right, that's the ideal scenario. But the Pens have zippo for centers in their system. Thus the need to trade for one.
T-Train
Joined: 06.20.2016

Jun 30 @ 9:27 PM ET
I would also like to place a bet on boninos new deal tomorrow.

My guess 6 years 32 million.

It's going to be higher than any of us think reasonable. He's arguably the best center on the market.

- sditulli

I like Bonino as a player and the little things he does, but I think his value tops out at about $4 mil, maybe $4.5 mil. That said, he will get $5+ with term. I just hope it's a team I don't like because I think they are going to regret that contract in the very near future.
acdc1206
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Fire Sullivan, PA
Joined: 06.13.2007

Jun 30 @ 9:29 PM ET
I like Bonino as a player and the little things he does, but I think his value tops out at about $4 mil, maybe $4.5 mil. That said, he will get $5+ with term. I just hope it's a team I don't like because I think they are going to regret that contract in the very near future.
- T-Train


I agree.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jun 30 @ 9:34 PM ET
Jussi Jokinen please...and while we are at it get Ryan Murphy as a reclamation project!
sditulli
Joined: 02.09.2015

Jun 30 @ 9:35 PM ET
Right, that's the ideal scenario. But the Pens have zippo for centers in their system. Thus the need to trade for one.
- T-Train


We have the wings though. Top 6 wing should get you 3c.

Jokkinen sounds like a good choice for 4c or as the wing whose a 5th center.
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