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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 2 @ 4:27 PM ET
Nope 4 of those missed the playoffs last season


- Stripes77

Forgot Backstrom

Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 2 @ 4:27 PM ET
As far as the buyout goes,
it just depends on when that $$$ is due
If most of it is paid on the early years,
a buyout is still very doable

Those types of bonuses are going in contracts now so that the players cover themselves if there's another lockout
They wouldn't get the salary, but still would get the bonuses

- jdfitz77



He got a $70 million dollar signing bonus...making his actual salary $14 million total...its buyout proof
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 2 @ 4:28 PM ET
Forgot Backstrom
- sbroads24


He is the most underrated center in the league in my opinion because it's always been about Ovechkin.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jul 2 @ 4:28 PM ET
When I think "franchise" I think super elite, cream of the crop. Maybe it's just a difference in definition of the word "franchise".

Those guys are all #1 centers (give or take Giroux) but for me franchise is only a few

- chilliard77

All of those guys have been at some point.
chilliard77
Location: AZ
Joined: 08.23.2011

Jul 2 @ 4:29 PM ET
Nope 4 of those missed the playoffs last season


- Stripes77

That wasn't my argument at all, but okay
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 2 @ 4:29 PM ET
When I think "franchise" I think super elite, cream of the crop. Maybe it's just a difference in definition of the word "franchise".

Those guys are all #1 centers (give or take Giroux) but for me franchise is only a few

- chilliard77


Turgeon was a franchise center but he wasn't elite...

You're using the wrong term
chilliard77
Location: AZ
Joined: 08.23.2011

Jul 2 @ 4:30 PM ET
All of those guys have been at some point.
- sbroads24

Yeah, "at some point" is my point. I'm not sure they will be going forward
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 2 @ 4:30 PM ET
Yeah but my point is if he were a franchise center, his team shouldn't have trouble at least making the playoffs every year
- chilliard77



Ummm
chilliard77
Location: AZ
Joined: 08.23.2011

Jul 2 @ 4:30 PM ET
Turgeon was a franchise center but he wasn't elite...

You're using the wrong term

- Stripes77

In my mind:
Generational
Franchsie
Elite
chilliard77
Location: AZ
Joined: 08.23.2011

Jul 2 @ 4:33 PM ET
Ummm
- Stripes77

Tavares has done Richard all in the playoffs, that's what I'm saying in this quote. Not that making the playoffs is the benchmark of being an elite player.

So yeah, that wasn't my argument
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 2 @ 4:35 PM ET
In my mind:
Generational
Franchsie
Elite

- chilliard77


Tavares is on a Hall of Fame trajectory...

I have no idea what else you want
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jul 2 @ 4:35 PM ET
Why did we sign another ahl goalie. Is this just insurance or is lehner on the way out?

We have:
Lehner
Chad
Ullmark
Johansson
Suckdorf
And now Wilcox
chilliard77
Location: AZ
Joined: 08.23.2011

Jul 2 @ 4:36 PM ET
Tavares is on a Hall of Fame trajectory...

I have no idea what else you want

- Stripes77

All I want right now is a sandwich
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 2 @ 4:38 PM ET
A franchise center is someone you can build a team around. Tavares is exactly that.

Key words there are build and team...but yeah cause he doesn't make the playoffs he isn't a franchise center?? Come on
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 2 @ 4:39 PM ET
All I want right now is a sandwich
- chilliard77



Is a hotdog a sandwich?
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jul 2 @ 4:40 PM ET
Is a hotdog a sandwich?
- Stripes77

The age old question.
chilliard77
Location: AZ
Joined: 08.23.2011

Jul 2 @ 4:48 PM ET
A franchise center is someone you can build a team around. Tavares is exactly that.

Key words there are build and team...but yeah cause he doesn't make the playoffs he isn't a franchise center?? Come on

- Stripes77

In the past I think Tavares has been, but this all started because I questioned whether he will be going forward. His lat two seasons have shown a decrease.
chilliard77
Location: AZ
Joined: 08.23.2011

Jul 2 @ 4:48 PM ET
Is a hotdog a sandwich?
- Stripes77

I have no opinion on this lol
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jul 2 @ 4:51 PM ET
Why did we sign another ahl goalie. Is this just insurance or is lehner on the way out?

We have:
Lehner
Chad
Ullmark
Johansson
Suckdorf
And now Wilcox

- SabresFaninIndiana


NHL 2
AHL 2
ECHL 2

What's the problem?
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jul 2 @ 4:52 PM ET
Yeah, "at some point" is my point. I'm not sure they will be going forward
- chilliard77


I love it that every comment you make... I read it in Negans voice.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jul 2 @ 4:55 PM ET
In the past I think Tavares has been, but this all started because I questioned whether he will be going forward. His lat two seasons have shown a decrease.
- chilliard77


Last season was rough but a ton of turnover on the roster the year before

70 points in 77 games...I'll take that all day everyday
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jul 2 @ 4:56 PM ET
so if gionta doesn't come back who do they give the C to? Pommer or give it to eichel/ror etc.
- Sabresfan-365


It's jacks team
chilliard77
Location: AZ
Joined: 08.23.2011

Jul 2 @ 4:56 PM ET
I love it that every comment you make... I read it in Negans voice.
- JVince11

SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jul 2 @ 4:57 PM ET
NHL 2
AHL 2
ECHL 2

What's the problem?

- JVince11

Do we own an echl team now?
chilliard77
Location: AZ
Joined: 08.23.2011

Jul 2 @ 4:57 PM ET
Last season was rough but a ton of turnover on the roster the year before

70 points in 77 games...I'll take that all day everyday

- Stripes77

I could see him scoring 80 (points) next year if Eberle and him mesh. But I could also see him scoring 60 if it goes badly
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