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SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Jul 6 @ 9:55 AM ET
his $1m would be replaced by a youngin like Rodrigues who played for $925K last season or Fasching ($925) or Baptiste ($718K)...imo, let the youngsters get the development they need...the $300k or less in savings isn't that big of a difference
- Michael Pachla

Let him walk 300k or not, give it to Rodrigues it's time for him to stay up with the big club.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: ICE DIRECTOR SAYS OVER 13 THOUSAND MURDERERS CROSSED OUR BORDER ILLEGALLY OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 6 @ 9:57 AM ET
http://www.geneseebeer.com/brewhouse/whatsontap/
- Der Kaiser

I try to find their newer beers

and sadly there are no results within 100 miles of Orange Park, FL 32073.
SABRES 89
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I'm very Happy to be here. Las Vegas Via Buffalo N.Y.
Joined: 02.17.2007

Jul 6 @ 9:57 AM ET
I think he's a 3c, but let's call him a 4c. Do you think every 4th liner should be league minimum? I don't think there's a team out there that has that situation. If every 4th liner on your team is making 1 mil and is productive, that's AMAZING cap management
- jcragcrumple

Not going to go back and fourth with you over a scrub player, we have better options then him. Give Rodriguez a chance.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: ICE DIRECTOR SAYS OVER 13 THOUSAND MURDERERS CROSSED OUR BORDER ILLEGALLY OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 6 @ 9:57 AM ET
1M for a 3/4 center is really not a big deal.
- TheSabresTaco

1.3 is not a big deal
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jul 6 @ 9:59 AM ET
I try to find their newer beers

and sadly there are no results within 100 miles of Orange Park, FL 32073.

- homiedclown


I think they get a bad rap. The red-eye, really cold, is a great option on a hot night. Many of the new brews are genuinely good. And I'm even thinking of getting back into the creamers. I spent half of my highschool years farting them out the morning after.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 6 @ 10:00 AM ET
Not going to go back and fourth with you over a scrub player, we have better options then him. Give Rodriguez a chance.
- SABRES 89


I have Larsson as 3C and Erod as 4C with Josefson as the 13th skater. There's room for both..
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jul 6 @ 10:04 AM ET
If the team is to be made up of speed is Larsson even necessary?
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jul 6 @ 10:04 AM ET
Let him walk 300k or not, give it to Rodrigues it's time for him to stay up with the big club.
- SABRES 89


love Rodrigues and he's almost there when it comes to making it...no need to rush it over $300k...and i think you underestimate Larsson some...i get the stats portion of it but he's been acclimating to the NHL very well and was having a pretty strong season before mcquaid took him out
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jul 6 @ 10:05 AM ET
If the team is to be made up of speed is Larsson even necessary?
- jochfr


great point, and the most negative thing about him right now
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: ICE DIRECTOR SAYS OVER 13 THOUSAND MURDERERS CROSSED OUR BORDER ILLEGALLY OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 6 @ 10:06 AM ET
love Rodrigues and he's almost there when it comes to making it...no need to rush it over $300k...and i think you underestimate Larsson some...i get the stats portion of it but he's been acclimating to the NHL very well and was having a pretty strong season before mcquaid took him out
- Michael Pachla

7 game winning goals for Larsson in his last 100 games as a sabre

eichel has 9 in 142 games
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jul 6 @ 10:08 AM ET
7 game winning goals for Larsson in his last 100 games as a sabre

eichel has 9 in 142 games

- homiedclown

true story, but those defending Eichel are some of the best defenders in the league...against larry?...not so much
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 6 @ 10:10 AM ET
If the team is to be made up of speed is Larsson even necessary?
- jochfr



If you like hero charts, Larsson is either an above average 4th liner or slightly below a good 3rd. His poop suppression, goals and shots for are all good. His assists per 60 are his week point.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 6 @ 10:10 AM ET
true story, but those defending Eichel are some of the best defenders in the league...against larry?...not so much
- Michael Pachla


Facts lie.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jul 6 @ 10:11 AM ET
Facts lie.
- TheSabresTaco

i like larry as a nickname for him
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jul 6 @ 10:11 AM ET
If you like hero charts, Larsson is either an above average 4th liner or slightly below a good 3rd. His poop suppression, goals and shots for are all good. His assists per 60 are his week point.
- jcragcrumple

I don't...
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jul 6 @ 10:12 AM ET
i like larry as a nickname for him
- Michael Pachla

Larry the leper
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jul 6 @ 10:13 AM ET
Larry the leper
- jochfr

what's with the oprah avatar?
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jul 6 @ 10:15 AM ET
I don't...
- jochfr


fair enough. If his linemates this year are Pommer and Pouliot, I think his weak primary assists per 60 would go way up. Pouliot may play 2lw tho. Long story short, the stats say he's not a bad player
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jul 6 @ 10:18 AM ET
what's with the oprah avatar?
- Michael Pachla

Crims
markyjoe
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 06.24.2011

Jul 6 @ 10:18 AM ET
what's with the oprah avatar?
- Michael Pachla

Hey Pach, I asked on a previous page, but everything I google says that the award must be 3.5 million or higher before a team van walk away from a ruling. Do you know if that's accurate.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...ogy-arbitration-part.html

https://www.wingingitinmo...cba-arbitration-boolsheet
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Jul 6 @ 10:19 AM ET
https://www.prohockeyrumo...ogy-arbitration-part.html

As stated above, this list is subject to certain restrictions. The CBA prohibits parties from introducing or using the following:

any contract signed outside restricted free agency, including one signed after a team exercises a walk-away right;


From my understanding, this means that any contract signed by a UFA cannot be used to determine what a comparable contract would be, correct? If this is accurate, then I would not expect Lehner to get more than $3m. The highest RFA goalie contract currently is Mrazek at $4m. Then Murray at $3.75m, Vasilevskiy at $3.5m, Gibson at $2.3m and Domingue at $1.05m. If you average the top 5 RFA goalie contracts that would come to $2.93m. Drop the #1 and #5 and it goes up to around $3.1m. I would be ok with anything between $3-3.5m.
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jul 6 @ 10:22 AM ET
what's with the oprah avatar?
- Michael Pachla


Oprah gave me the green light in late 1984, but that's when she was fat.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 6 @ 10:23 AM ET
https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2016/07/capology-arbitration-part.html

As stated above, this list is subject to certain restrictions. The CBA prohibits parties from introducing or using the following:

any contract signed outside restricted free agency, including one signed after a team exercises a walk-away right;


From my understanding, this means that any contract signed by a UFA cannot be used to determine what a comparable contract would be, correct? If this is accurate, then I would not expect Lehner to get more than $3m. The highest RFA goalie contract currently is Mrazek at $4m. Then Murray at $3.75m, Vasilevskiy at $3.5m, Gibson at $2.3m and Domingue at $1.05m. If you average the top 5 RFA goalie contracts that would come to $2.93m. Drop the #1 and #5 and it goes up to around $3.1m. I would be ok with anything between $3-3.5m.

- adambuffalo


That's still missing the portion where his QO is the absolute lowest he can get. Based on previous salary (celery)
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jul 6 @ 10:24 AM ET
Oprah gave me the green light in late 1984, but that's when she was fat.
- Der Kaiser


Worth it.


Was it worth it in 1984?
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jul 6 @ 10:24 AM ET
That's still missing the portion where his QO is the absolute lowest he can get. Based on previous salary (celery)
- TheSabresTaco


Robin Lehner's offer is $3.15-million

www.wgr550.com/articles/n...abres-qualify-six-players
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