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Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jul 8 @ 6:25 PM ET
Because perceived value changes once the draft is over
Young defensemen are worth more than young forwards

So regardless of your depth...

What I'm saying is...
choose what will become the best "value"
instead of best "available" at the time


That's generally a defenseman

- jdfitz77



i want to think that at this point the two are almost connected but the value thing is misleading.

Good young defensemen are no doubt more valuable than good young forwards, particularly wingers. but the catch is that they still have to be good. nobodys going to give up full value for a d-man you take in the 2nd round if he goes to the ncaa and poops the bed just because you took him in the second round.

SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jul 8 @ 6:30 PM ET
Yeah... I'm absolutely sure than was the reasoning

But look how it worked out...
we could have Drouin lining up with him this year,
instead of hoping that Nylander is ready for top line duty next year

And as I pointed out...
what's a "reach" at the draft can change very quickly when it comes to young defensemen
Their value often goes up

- jdfitz77

What about that d man that we drafted in the 4th (I think) that had everyone saying... who?
PrinceChill
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.06.2014

Jul 8 @ 6:40 PM ET
What about that d man that we drafted in the 4th (I think) that had everyone saying... who?
- SabresFaninIndiana


A 3rd, I think. And wasn't he 4'10" 130 lbs?
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jul 8 @ 6:55 PM ET
Nylander needs lots of work so that's great news
PrinceChill
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.06.2014

Jul 8 @ 6:58 PM ET
Nylander needs lots of work so that's great news
- GERBE!!!75PTS


Bust. Murray pick. Trade him for a 3rd if you can find someone to give us one.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jul 8 @ 7:01 PM ET
NHL network count down of most improbable plays. This was number 1:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UUH64B1lB4o
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 8 @ 7:02 PM ET
i want to think that at this point the two are almost connected but the value thing is misleading.

Good young defensemen are no doubt more valuable than good young forwards, particularly wingers. but the catch is that they still have to be good. nobodys going to give up full value for a d-man you take in the 2nd round if he goes to the ncaa and poops the bed just because you took him in the second round.

- Sabresfan-365




Well of course...

Im not suggesting we could trade Borgen for Drouin
But I think u know what I mean

Is the forward I draft at #8 (or wherever) still going to be more valuable than the defenseman ranked 15th (or whatever) a year later?



Pierceme69
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 02.13.2007

Jul 8 @ 7:03 PM ET
NHL network count down of most improbable plays. This was number 1:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UUH64B1lB4o

- SabresFaninIndiana

They never say Lehner in the shootout if they thought that was improbable.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 8 @ 7:03 PM ET
What about that d man that we drafted in the 4th (I think) that had everyone saying... who?
- SabresFaninIndiana




Not seeing your point sir?

Imo... after round 2 is pretty much a crapshoot
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jul 8 @ 7:08 PM ET
NHL network count down of most improbable plays. This was number 1:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UUH64B1lB4o

- SabresFaninIndiana


Haven't watched it. The butt goal?

Edit: How is that improbable? He tried to do get the goalie moving so the puck would just slide through the 5-hole, and it worked to perfection. This is an improbable goal:

SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jul 8 @ 7:09 PM ET
Not seeing your point sir?

Imo... after round 2 is pretty much a crapshoot

- jdfitz77

I didn't really have one I just wanted to feel involved.

But I do think guys like that should be held off till like the 6 or 7th rounds.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jul 8 @ 7:10 PM ET
Haven't watched it. The butt goal?

Edit: How is that improbable? He tried to do get the goalie moving so the puck would just slide through the 5-hole, and it worked to perfection. This is an improbable goal:


- Wetbandit1

It was just for last season. They had some stupid selections on the list. Number two was the Miller diving save after heading to the bench
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Joined: 10.07.2010

Jul 8 @ 7:17 PM ET
It was just for last season. They had some stupid selections on the list. Number two was the Miller diving save after heading to the bench
- SabresFaninIndiana


Ahh, I was going to say, there are a bunch of goals where a delayed penalty is called and the team scores on their own net. Eric Staal did it once, Pat Kane, I forget who on the Devils did it, and I really want to say it happened against us too, went our way for a change, but these all happened in the past few years.
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Jul 8 @ 7:18 PM ET
I find it to be devilishly delightful that both Freakorenko and Zadorov are already 50% in the KHL and possibly soon to be both signed to KHL contracts.
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jul 8 @ 7:20 PM ET
Bust. Murray pick. Trade him for a 3rd if you can find someone to give us one.
- PrinceChill


I don't think he's a bust he just needed to stay overseas like his brother To get more experience but he took the longer process
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Jul 8 @ 7:25 PM ET
I don't think he's a bust he just needed to stay overseas like his brother To get more experience but he took the longer process
- GERBE!!!75PTS


This morning he looked good, bulked up, now he's poop again?

RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jul 8 @ 7:30 PM ET
I find it to be devilishly delightful that both Freakorenko and Zadorov are already 50% in the KHL and possibly soon to be both signed to KHL contracts.
- BeadyEyedDouche


I believe Zads already signed a deal with CSKA (could be wrong), but is still exploring an extension with COL. The article I saw said he was looking for more term, if that's the case, given the Avs defensive situation, they'll give him what he wants.

Edit: "One day after Mikhail Grigorenko signed to play in Russia, a report from Russia's Sport-Express on Saturday said Zadorov has an agreement to play with CSKA of the Kontinental Hockey League. It is the same team that signed Grigorenko."

Source: http://buffalonews.com/20...ta-zadorov-return-russia/
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jul 8 @ 7:40 PM ET
This morning he looked good, bulked up, now he's poop again?


- Wetbandit1


Who said he was poop ?
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Jul 8 @ 7:42 PM ET
Who said he was poop ?
- GERBE!!!75PTS



Nylander needs lots of work so that's great news
- GERBE!!!75PTS

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jul 8 @ 7:45 PM ET
89 just melted
- Sabresfan-365

Now if we get kaleta involved
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jul 8 @ 7:46 PM ET
[quote=Wetbandit1]
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood
PrinceChill
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.06.2014

Jul 8 @ 7:54 PM ET
I don't think he's a bust he just needed to stay overseas like his brother To get more experience but he took the longer process
- GERBE!!!75PTS


If he stayed overseas, people would be freaking out that he wasn't playing in Rochester, on a North American style rink.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Hail Satan
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jul 8 @ 8:10 PM ET
Nobody makes me bleed my own blood
- SabresFaninIndiana


jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jul 8 @ 8:33 PM ET
I didn't really have one I just wanted to feel involved.

But I do think guys like that should be held off till like the 6 or 7th rounds.

- SabresFaninIndiana



I get your point
For me, anything after round2 is basically a lotto ticket
So I don't get too worked up over any of those picks
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jul 8 @ 8:49 PM ET
[quote=Wetbandit1]

So that means he sucks ?
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