Agreed, This team needs a 4 D, not another 5-6.
- BlackhawkDown

Sure they do, they also need a bonafide top 6 LW but they don't come cheap to acquire and then fit under the cap (see JVR). ....Plenty of bottom 6 guys playing top 6 and 3rd pairing guys forced to play 2nd pairing in this league.

Another way to look at Stan's moves this year is that he hasn't done much at all regarding cap structure.
Gave up Kruger for nothing, which has been the worst kept secret for a year, maybe more.
Saad/Panarin was a $6m for $6m move.
Hammer for Murphy saved I think $300k.
They went into the offseason with an unsustainable core of 9 players making $60m.
The only resolution Stan has found for that so far is the result of a skin condition, not Stan's good work.
If they trade or LTIR Hossa, they need to replace him with 2-3 players at $2m, not another at $5m.
- Cmonalready

See N.T.C. Stan cant maneuver because he tied his own hands with all these big money + no leverage contracts. If you give player big money then he shouldn't get the NTC...if the player comes off a little salary then give him more leverage. Stan gave everything and now players are too expensive and unmovable. Hell, he has NO ONE left he could trade that doesn't have some sort of no trade/movement clause, which is why this Hossa stuff has become more prominent.

Any word on who that "high prospect" might be?
TVR would be a solid bottom pair RD heading into the season; helps stabilize the D.
- matt_ahrens

Did not hear

Surprised by all the TVR love. He was one of last year's whipping boys on this site for his lack of foot speed and physicality.
- BlackhawkDown

He has strengths and weaknesses. But, without question, Q sees the strengths moreso than the weaknesses.

If they wanted to keep TVR so bad, why not just send a pic to LV to keep them from taking him just like almost every other team did? They signed all these D-men with the anticipation (so it seems) of losing TVR...now they gotta have him back? LOL

then you still have to do it next year and the year after that and the year after that, which means that you need to have ($5.2m - salary cap increase) worth of salary expiring each year that you don't want coming back OR you need to dump salary each year again and that sucks.
- matt_ahrens

If Hossa goes on LTIR this year I don't think they need to do the dance to get cap compliant next year. I think if the player ends the season on LTIR they can stay there.

Ek saying something big happening, NHL offices notified.

it isn't a package to get TVR, it's a package to get rid of the Hossa salary now because it improves the chances of putting together a better roster.

edit: the Blackhawks would get something coming back in the ballpark of value equivalent to TVR so why not TVR?
- matt_ahrens

I'd rather just wait and put Hossa on LTIR when the season starts. I'd rather not give up another prospect and a pick unless we're getting something really close to the value of said prospect and pick back in return.

Ek saying something big happening, NHL offices notified.
- kwolf68

Really really big!

Really really big!
- walleyeb1

(E4)

If they wanted to keep TVR so bad, why not just send a pic to LV to keep them from taking him just like almost every other team did? They signed all these D-men with the anticipation (so it seems) of losing TVR...now they gotta have him back? LOL
- kwolf68

Lots of possible answers to that question

I'd rather just wait and put Hossa on LTIR when the season starts. I'd rather not give up another prospect and a pick unless we're getting something really close to the value of said prospect and pick back in return.
- walleyeb1

I'd prefer that the Hawks have some flexibility to acquire a player 1) when the best player is available; and 2) not have the term of said player's contract be a concern (if Hawks have to LTIR Hossa every year, then a multi-year contract is a big problem every summer)

Is it possible, if they were to keep Hossa, that this is our team until later in the season? Currently over by $35k so they'd need to send Berube's $700k to Rockford and bring up Oesterle's $650k to get under the cap.

Surprised by all the TVR love. He was one of last year's whipping boys on this site for his lack of foot speed and physicality.
- BlackhawkDown

I've always been a TvR fan and would like to have him back. TvR has shown some good progression in his game and he's cost controlled.

Plus, I think TvR and Wingels would have to fight it out for the #57.... Thunderdom style!

You are actually concerned they wouldn't take DeBrincat in this trade scenario? The Hawks are not bargaining from a completely "leverageless" position here and thus DeBrincat does NOT need to be included. This is insane we're going to spend another 5 days talking about it now.
- kwolf68

Agreed.......... and seriously............. some people actualy want TVR back here ????
Why ?? Please explain what he brings other that a 5th or 6th Dman......
He is slow and soft and that's not the change this team needs. What happenned to speed and toughness on the back end.......... TVR is NEITHER !!

Agreed.......... and seriously............. some people actualy want TVR back here ????
Why ?? Please explain what he brings other that a 5th or 6th Dman......
He is slow and soft and that's not the change this team needs. What happenned to speed and toughness on the back end.......... TVR is NEITHER !!
- Hawkytalk

He wasn't one of the only few players that showed up against Nashville. For a depth defenseman you could do a lot worse. Plus, re-acquiring TvR doesn't stop Stan from, acquiring another d-man in a seperaye deal. Carolina is not going to give the Hawks a top for d-man for Hossa and a prospect.

TORONTO SUN: Steve Simmons reports that, by his count, the Vegas Golden Knights “will have to move at least four NHL defenceman, maybe five, between now and the start of their first season. That’s a lot of dealing to do and a not a lot of time for GM George McPhee.”

All you had to do is mention TvR as opposed to one of the Golden Knight cast offs and the discussion here will swing to the hawks acquiring TvR (WHO WILL want a REAL Fat deal next year) becuase they are acquiring his brother (who will ALSO want a REAL fat deal) from the leafs because they "need" the space to make a play for Tavares asa UFA or resign Mathhews and his two little brothers at 11 million each.

I just don't see another one year move to TvR as winning a Cup, CAP stability or as a long term solution.

He wasn't one of the only few players that showed up against Nashville. For a depth defenseman you could do a lot worse.
- DarthKane

But,,,in doing worse you can sign that depth defnder long term with no consequences.
In a year, you either lose TvR whether he improves or doesn't.
If the low end depth defender fails he does and you dont need to regret your long term deal. (This is the major issue/problem happening all through the ids of the GMs everywhere)
TvR was pretty good offensively n the playoff, but didn't thnk he was a major stopgap against Nashville one bit.

Could Kruger be part of this deal too? (With salary retained)

It does seem awfully suspicious he was shipped off so quickly to Carolina after an unexplainable delay. My guess is that Vegas, Carolina, and the Hawks worked out a covert 3-team trade, all contingent on the Hossa LTIR announcement and Kruger/TVR coming back.

If that's the case how do the Hawks avoid any backlash from the league for essentially skirting the rules on cap recapture penalties and the expansion draft. Yes I understand these are all legal moves, but the league hates the Hawks and would not want this to happen.

Could Kruger be part of this deal too? (With salary retained)

It does seem awfully suspicious he was shipped off so quickly to Carolina after an unexplainable delay. My guess is that Vegas, Carolina, and the Hawks worked out a covert 3-team trade, all contingent on the Hossa LTIR announcement and Kruger/TVR coming back.

If that's the case how do the Hawks avoid any backlash from the league for essentially skirting the rules on cap recapture penalties and the expansion draft. Yes I understand these are all legal moves, but the league hates the Hawks and would not want this to happen.
- falseprophet93

If I understand the rule correctly, no team can trade away a player with a certain Cap hit and reaquire him for less than the Cap hit...whether it is three teams or four teams, the original team in that first year cannot reaquire him for less than that cap hit that was traded.

Am I right?

If I understand the rule correctly, no team can trade away a player with a certain Cap hit and reaquire him for less than the Cap hit...whether it is three teams or four teams, the original team in that first year cannot reaquire him for less than that cap hit that was traded.

Am I right?
- wiz1901

I'm not entirely sure. These are uncharted waters. Desperate times call for desperate measures. But I think we can all agree Stan is probably opening the rulebook on this one.

The Hawks would be insane to consider DiBrincat as a trade piece. The Hawks were lucky beyond comprehension that he fell to the Second Round because of his size. I watched him in the play-offs where opponents were trying to key on him. He borders on being unhittable. Additionally, he can find the open ice to receive passes and can pin-point pass while surrounded. He is built like a bulldog too and does not avoid the high traffic areas - in fact he searches them out. Many goals scored from close in. Appreciate what we have in DiBrincat and stop talking of including him in deals for 6th D-Men.

TORONTO SUN: Steve Simmons reports that, by his count, the Vegas Golden Knights “will have to move at least four NHL defenceman, maybe five, between now and the start of their first season. That’s a lot of dealing to do and a not a lot of time for GM George McPhee.”

All you had to do is mention TvR as opposed to one of the Golden Knight cast offs and the discussion here will swing to the hawks acquiring TvR (WHO WILL want a REAL Fat deal next year) becuase they are acquiring his brother (who will ALSO want a REAL fat deal) from the leafs because they "need" the space to make a play for Tavares asa UFA or resign Mathhews and his two little brothers at 11 million each.

I just don't see another one year move to TvR as winning a Cup, CAP stability or as a long term solution.
- wiz1901

What type of "fat" deal would you expect TvR to demand? I'm a fan of his but right now TvR is a member of the supporting cast and I don't think his demands will Ben that high. Keep in mind the Hawks have around $3.5 million coming off the books next season (Panarin's bonuses) and the only significant RFA is Hartman who will not be demanding an outrageous contract.

TORONTO SUN: Steve Simmons reports that, by his count, the Vegas Golden Knights “will have to move at least four NHL defenceman, maybe five, between now and the start of their first season. That’s a lot of dealing to do and a not a lot of time for GM George McPhee.”

All you had to do is mention TvR as opposed to one of the Golden Knight cast offs and the discussion here will swing to the hawks acquiring TvR (WHO WILL want a REAL Fat deal next year) becuase they are acquiring his brother (who will ALSO want a REAL fat deal) from the leafs because they "need" the space to make a play for Tavares asa UFA or resign Mathhews and his two little brothers at 11 million each.

I just don't see another one year move to TvR as winning a Cup, CAP stability or as a long term solution.
- wiz1901

" ... because they are acquiring his brother ... " (JvR) - that sounds like it's a certainty. Do you have some inside info that JvR will be a Hawk soon - or just speculation?

Acquiring JvR would be very nice. I don't know who/what Stan would have to trade to make that happen, but Saad-Toews-Panik and JvR-Anisimov-Kane is a pretty good top-6.

The Hawks would be insane to consider DiBrincat as a trade piece. The Hawks were lucky beyond comprehension that he fell to the Second Round because of his size. I watched him in the play-offs where opponents were trying to key on him. He borders on being unhittable. Additionally, he can find the open ice to receive passes and can pin-point pass while surrounded. He is built like a bulldog too and does not avoid the high traffic areas - in fact he searches them out. Many goals scored from close in. Appreciate what we have in DiBrincat and stop talking of including him in deals for 6th D-Men.
- Z3Hawk

From an offensive standpoint DeBrincat has everything but plus-speed. He's not slow but he's not as fast as most little guys need to be to succeed in the NHL. Maybe he can get faster - who knows? The thing that will make or break being in Q's lineup is how good/bad he is getting back on defense and effectiveness in the d-zone. If he's a minus player, he'll most likely be playing in Rockford until he improves.