Your a special kind of stupid aren't you? Half assed job of going after Shattenkirk? First let's start by saying this again he wasn't going anywhere besides the Rangers unless the Rangers said we aren't signing you, Buffalo threw a seven year deal at him and he turned it down so stop with the Shattenkirk stuff he isn't a top pairing defenseman he played sheltered minutes on the Blues and Caps and was spoon fed powerplay time in deep defensive teams he would of been exposed for a fraud on the devils we dodged a bullet
- Devils314

I have to agree here. Shattenkirk is a top 4 guy, in NJ he would have been forced to play top line mins and that would have been an issue. Not saying I would not have wanted him, but I would not have gone past 6.5-7mil, and no way over 5 years

I'm with you Queenie and not very impressed with Ray's rebuild. Your analogy comparing us to the Coyotes was spot on. Feels like we'll be bottom feeders for a long time. Welcome back to 1980's Devils hockey!

Yes, Ray has done a great job on trades and replenishing the farm. I don't think I"ve ever said otherwise. But in the three years he's here our payroll has been dropping and we've brought in a bunch of defensive stiffs. And it seems like he did a half assed job of going after Shattenkirk. I think we are essentially being run as a small market team with a bullpoop payroll.
- Queenie_5_hole

Apparently Shattenkirk only wanted 4-5 years. I was pissed too when I thought Shero just decided not to offer him more term, but we know he offered more money and if Shattenkirk didn't want a 7 year deal then there's no reason to offer him one.

I'm not worried about payroll right now. If some of these prospects turn out to be any good they'll end up eating up cap-space really quick. Plus it allows you to make deals like the Johansson deal without a second thought.

Welcome back to 1980's Devils hockey!
- Crushers68

Noooo! I can't go through that again.

Apparently Shattenkirk only wanted 4-5 years. I was pissed too when I thought Shero just decided not to offer him more term, but we know he offered more money and if Shattenkirk didn't want a 7 year deal then there's no reason to offer him one.

I'm not worried about payroll right now. If some of these prospects turn out to be any good they'll end up eating up cap-space really quick. Plus it allows you to make deals like the Johansson deal without a second thought.
- CaptCrankypants

I hadn't heard that Shattenkirk only wanted 4-5 other then Ray saying he didn't ask for more term when we offered 5 years. And I totally get we probably weren't landing the guy even with more money. I just want to hear we are actually looking to sign some real talent and spend a few dollars.

It's exhausting to hear all these guys are 'wrong' for the team but signing guys like Boyle (to almost $3M/year) and that's a smart moves. Boyle's fine but we paid a lot for him and he's 32. Doesn't really bother me he's 32, just saying.

Your a special kind of stupid aren't you? Half assed job of going after Shattenkirk? First let's start by saying this again he wasn't going anywhere besides the Rangers unless the Rangers said we aren't signing you, Buffalo threw a seven year deal at him and he turned it down so stop with the Shattenkirk stuff he isn't a top pairing defenseman he played sheltered minutes on the Blues and Caps and was spoon fed powerplay time in deep defensive teams he would of been exposed for a fraud on the devils we dodged a bullet
- Devils314

Well enjoy watching Ben Lovejoy play top pairing minutes. That'll work out better.

I don't get the people complaining about what Shero has done. Sure it's frustrating that we've been a crappy team for the last bunch of years, but take a second to remember the lineup from the end of 2015 (before Shero took over):

Mike Cammalleri - Travis Zajac - Jordin Tootoo
Stefan Matteau - Patrik Elias - Dainius Zubrus
Adam Henrique - Scott Gomez - Steve Bernier
Reid Boucher - Jacob Josefson - Tuomo Ruutu

Andy Greene - Adam Larsson
Mark Fraser - Damon Severson
Jon Merrill - Eric Gelinas

(I grabbed that from a random game towards the end of the 2014-15 season)

For all the great Lou did for the organization over the years, he left the team in awful shape. Sure the departures of Parise and Kovalchuk played a big role, but still that lineup is not only awful, but it's old and the organization had very little in the way of promising prospects.

Up front Shero has acquired Taylor Hall, Marcus Johansson, and Kyle Palmieri for Adam Larsson and a handful of mid-round draft picks. The prospect pool if filled with forwards who are legitimately promising.

Sure, the defense is a mess, but realistically what do you wish Shero did? Shattenkirk wanted to go to the Rangers and there was nothing Shero could do about that, short of offering an absurd contract but that wouldn't have been smart. It's easy to say "but we have a ton of cap space" but that cap space can disappear quickly if you start handing guys way too much money. The Mueller trade isn't super exciting but it's a low risk - high reward trade that could pan out. Acquiring solid d-man is one of the hardest things to do in this league.

It's frustrating that the team sucks but legitimately there have been very few moves Shero has done the past couple years that I thought were bad, and a solid few that I thought were extremely good. I was not sold on him at all when the Devils announced he was the new GM but I've been very impressed so far. I'm far less sold on Hynes.

I don't get the people complaining about what Shero has done. Sure it's frustrating that we've been a crappy team for the last bunch of years, but take a second to remember the lineup from the end of 2015 (before Shero took over):

Mike Cammalleri - Travis Zajac - Jordin Tootoo
Stefan Matteau - Patrik Elias - Dainius Zubrus
Adam Henrique - Scott Gomez - Steve Bernier
Reid Boucher - Jacob Josefson - Tuomo Ruutu

Andy Greene - Adam Larsson
Mark Fraser - Damon Severson
Jon Merrill - Eric Gelinas

(I grabbed that from a random game towards the end of the 2014-15 season)

For all the great Lou did for the organization over the years, he left the team in awful shape. Sure the departures of Parise and Kovalchuk played a big role, but still that lineup is not only awful, but it's old and the organization had very little in the way of promising prospects.

Up front Shero has acquired Taylor Hall, Marcus Johansson, and Kyle Palmieri for Adam Larsson and a handful of mid-round draft picks. The prospect pool if filled with forwards who are legitimately promising.

Sure, the defense is a mess, but realistically what do you wish Shero did? Shattenkirk wanted to go to the Rangers and there was nothing Shero could do about that, short of offering an absurd contract but that wouldn't have been smart. It's easy to say "but we have a ton of cap space" but that cap space can disappear quickly if you start handing guys way too much money. The Mueller trade isn't super exciting but it's a low risk - high reward trade that could pan out. Acquiring solid d-man is one of the hardest things to do in this league.

It's frustrating that the team sucks but legitimately there have been very few moves Shero has done the past couple years that I thought were bad, and a solid few that I thought were extremely good. I was not sold on him at all when the Devils announced he was the new GM but I've been very impressed so far. I'm far less sold on Hynes.
- MannySilvers

Thank you finally someone who understands.... before Shero took over our top prospect was Boucher we all see how that turned out the devils had the oldest roster and worst prospect pool in the entire league when Shero took over and two years later look at the team and the prospect pool how can you complain I just really don't understand I was expecting 4-5 years before Shero would of been able to build a quality team and prospect pool he's done that in 2 years if anyone thinks he should of done more they clearly don't understand how it works

Well enjoy watching Ben Lovejoy play top pairing minutes. That'll work out better.
- Queenie_5_hole

would you prefer Salvador?

would you prefer Salvador?
- K-dizzle

When Salvador was Lovejoy's age (33) he was a much better defenseman, so yes. As a 41 year old not so much.

Thank you finally someone who understands.... before Shero took over our top prospect was Boucher we all see how that turned out the devils had the oldest roster and worst prospect pool in the entire league when Shero took over and two years later look at the team and the prospect pool how can you complain I just really don't understand I was expecting 4-5 years before Shero would of been able to build a quality team and prospect pool he's done that in 2 years if anyone thinks he should of done more they clearly don't understand how it works
- Devils314

Hit the nail in the head. Perfect example.

I don't get the people complaining about what Shero has done. Sure it's frustrating that we've been a crappy team for the last bunch of years, but take a second to remember the lineup from the end of 2015 (before Shero took over):

Mike Cammalleri - Travis Zajac - Jordin Tootoo
Stefan Matteau - Patrik Elias - Dainius Zubrus
Adam Henrique - Scott Gomez - Steve Bernier
Reid Boucher - Jacob Josefson - Tuomo Ruutu

Andy Greene - Adam Larsson
Mark Fraser - Damon Severson
Jon Merrill - Eric Gelinas

(I grabbed that from a random game towards the end of the 2014-15 season)

For all the great Lou did for the organization over the years, he left the team in awful shape. Sure the departures of Parise and Kovalchuk played a big role, but still that lineup is not only awful, but it's old and the organization had very little in the way of promising prospects.

Up front Shero has acquired Taylor Hall, Marcus Johansson, and Kyle Palmieri for Adam Larsson and a handful of mid-round draft picks. The prospect pool if filled with forwards who are legitimately promising.

Sure, the defense is a mess, but realistically what do you wish Shero did? Shattenkirk wanted to go to the Rangers and there was nothing Shero could do about that, short of offering an absurd contract but that wouldn't have been smart. It's easy to say "but we have a ton of cap space" but that cap space can disappear quickly if you start handing guys way too much money. The Mueller trade isn't super exciting but it's a low risk - high reward trade that could pan out. Acquiring solid d-man is one of the hardest things to do in this league.

It's frustrating that the team sucks but legitimately there have been very few moves Shero has done the past couple years that I thought were bad, and a solid few that I thought were extremely good. I was not sold on him at all when the Devils announced he was the new GM but I've been very impressed so far. I'm far less sold on Hynes.
- MannySilvers

[] Hit the nail in the head. Perfect example

oilers signed Auvitu

oilers signed Auvitu
- AkA

He was never going to get a real shot at a roster spot on the devils seemed like Hynes had something against him or didn't like his game me personally I thought he was a decent 3rd pairing guy but we already have too many of those lol

Todd Cordell: The New Jersey Devils are probably done adding up front
- Todd.Cordell

I loved watching wood play so I hope he improves and also his line mates don't hold him back.

I don't get the people complaining about what Shero has done. Sure it's frustrating that we've been a crappy team for the last bunch of years, but take a second to remember the lineup from the end of 2015 (before Shero took over):

Mike Cammalleri - Travis Zajac - Jordin Tootoo
Stefan Matteau - Patrik Elias - Dainius Zubrus
Adam Henrique - Scott Gomez - Steve Bernier
Reid Boucher - Jacob Josefson - Tuomo Ruutu

Andy Greene - Adam Larsson
Mark Fraser - Damon Severson
Jon Merrill - Eric Gelinas

(I grabbed that from a random game towards the end of the 2014-15 season)

For all the great Lou did for the organization over the years, he left the team in awful shape. Sure the departures of Parise and Kovalchuk played a big role, but still that lineup is not only awful, but it's old and the organization had very little in the way of promising prospects.

Up front Shero has acquired Taylor Hall, Marcus Johansson, and Kyle Palmieri for Adam Larsson and a handful of mid-round draft picks. The prospect pool if filled with forwards who are legitimately promising.

Sure, the defense is a mess, but realistically what do you wish Shero did? Shattenkirk wanted to go to the Rangers and there was nothing Shero could do about that, short of offering an absurd contract but that wouldn't have been smart. It's easy to say "but we have a ton of cap space" but that cap space can disappear quickly if you start handing guys way too much money. The Mueller trade isn't super exciting but it's a low risk - high reward trade that could pan out. Acquiring solid d-man is one of the hardest things to do in this league.

It's frustrating that the team sucks but legitimately there have been very few moves Shero has done the past couple years that I thought were bad, and a solid few that I thought were extremely good. I was not sold on him at all when the Devils announced he was the new GM but I've been very impressed so far. I'm far less sold on Hynes.
- MannySilvers

Wow look at that roster

I wanted Shattenkirk too, probably more than most, but he clearly wanted to play for the Rags. Why would you be so upset by not gaining a player who did whatever it took to play for your biggest rival instead? Clearly he didn't want to be here and neither money nor term would change that.

That being said, if we don't find a way to sign Carlson next year I'll be pissed.

Who knows maybe we'll get really lucky and add Dahlin, Carlson, and JVR next year. Things will start looking good real fast

oilers signed Auvitu
- AkA

Hate this. Our defense is so (frank)ing terrible.

Want to see what happens when you throw term and money at guys?

See Darcy Regier when Pegula gave him the green light to "go out and spend"...

There's one way to get talent in this league: prudent trades to pick up your supporting cast: drafting to get your all stars.

NJ has another year of fail ahead of it, but it'll start showing what Ray's trying to build: even when they'll be losing, they're going to start being competitive and actually one of the more enjoyable teams in the NHL.

Lou put together a team that knew how to win but did it by unanimous decisions: this NJ is going to be more explosive. Be patient, wait it out another year: I promise this will be one of the more entertaining iterations of this team.

Hate this. Our defense is so (frank)ing terrible.
- Pomegrant

Mike Kapla will save us. If not Brian Strait will.

Mike Kapla will save us. If not Brian Strait will.
- Queenie_5_hole

I'm sick of recycling terrible Pens players. I'm not happy with how Bennett and Auvitu was handled. These guys should be on the team.

I don't get the people complaining about what Shero has done. Sure it's frustrating that we've been a crappy team for the last bunch of years, but take a second to remember the lineup from the end of 2015 (before Shero took over):

Mike Cammalleri - Travis Zajac - Jordin Tootoo
Stefan Matteau - Patrik Elias - Dainius Zubrus
Adam Henrique - Scott Gomez - Steve Bernier
Reid Boucher - Jacob Josefson - Tuomo Ruutu

Andy Greene - Adam Larsson
Mark Fraser - Damon Severson
Jon Merrill - Eric Gelinas

(I grabbed that from a random game towards the end of the 2014-15 season)

For all the great Lou did for the organization over the years, he left the team in awful shape. Sure the departures of Parise and Kovalchuk played a big role, but still that lineup is not only awful, but it's old and the organization had very little in the way of promising prospects.

Up front Shero has acquired Taylor Hall, Marcus Johansson, and Kyle Palmieri for Adam Larsson and a handful of mid-round draft picks. The prospect pool if filled with forwards who are legitimately promising.

Sure, the defense is a mess, but realistically what do you wish Shero did? Shattenkirk wanted to go to the Rangers and there was nothing Shero could do about that, short of offering an absurd contract but that wouldn't have been smart. It's easy to say "but we have a ton of cap space" but that cap space can disappear quickly if you start handing guys way too much money. The Mueller trade isn't super exciting but it's a low risk - high reward trade that could pan out. Acquiring solid d-man is one of the hardest things to do in this league.

It's frustrating that the team sucks but legitimately there have been very few moves Shero has done the past couple years that I thought were bad, and a solid few that I thought were extremely good. I was not sold on him at all when the Devils announced he was the new GM but I've been very impressed so far. I'm far less sold on Hynes.
- MannySilvers

Manny - I do realize Ray has made some nice moves, but it feels like it is taking forever...almost to the point where it feels like we are moving backwards. We have missed the playoffs 6 out of the last 7 years (some under Lou) and frankly I'm running out of patience. We have truly looking like a Mickey Mouse Organization

Manny - I do realize Ray has made some nice moves, but it feels like it is taking forever...almost to the point where it feels like we are moving backwards. We have missed the playoffs 6 out of the last 7 years (some under Lou) and frankly I'm running out of patience. We have truly looking like a Mickey Mouse Organization
- Crushers68

I understand the frustration but the question is what could Ray realistically have done so far to put us in a better position? My point is that Lou left the organization in a place where the only real solution was a decently long, painful rebuild and I think when you consider that Ray has done a good job.

I understand the frustration but the question is what could Ray realistically have done so far to put us in a better position? My point is that Lou left the organization in a place where the only real solution was a decently long, painful rebuild and I think when you consider that Ray has done a good job.
- MannySilvers

Ray has done a great job with trades and replenishing the farm. He has done a great job in cap management and brought in assets trading cap space. He's done a lot of really good things. But the D is a travesty. It wasn't in great shape when Lou left so it's not all on Ray. But it looks like the area that has suffered the most in the rebuild and the area he has been the least successful in addressing.

So many whiny people. This isn't nhl 17 gm mode. You cant just get every player you want and only give up a first round pick. Ray has done a good job so far, better than I expected. Rebuilds aren't an ober night deal. It'll take a while before we are legit contenders just face it.