Sure, difference for me at least is that White or Konecny etc would have been developing while we were still bad.

The jury is still out on whether Lehner, Kane, Bogo, or Fasching will be long term solutions.

We know ROR is a long term fixture
- sbroads24

I don't really have a dog in this pissing match, but wouldn't the jury still be out on White and Konecny etc as long term solutions as well? I mean, it's not like they are can't miss McJesus or Eichels. What if they end up being the same players as Kane or even Fasching. That's why trades are hard to measure up against even 3 years after they happen unless someone just explodes with their new club. And even then, you still don know what the kids will do. Just a thought that wont be answered for quite some time. Although if you guys don't piss in each others faces all day, I have nothing to stare at except numbers, so keep it going...?

I don't really have a dog in this pissing match, but wouldn't the jury still be out on White and Konecny etc as long term solutions as well? I mean, it's not like they are can't miss McJesus or Eichels. What if they end up being the same players as Kane or even Fasching. That's why trades are hard to measure up against even 3 years after they happen unless someone just explodes with their new club. And even then, you still don know what the kids will do. Just a thought that wont be answered for quite some time. Although if you guys don't piss in each others faces all day, I have nothing to stare at except numbers, so keep it going...?
- SDSabre

- Der Kaiser

Carry on..

I don't really have a dog in this pissing match, but wouldn't the jury still be out on White and Konecny etc as long term solutions as well? I mean, it's not like they are can't miss McJesus or Eichels. What if they end up being the same players as Kane or even Fasching. That's why trades are hard to measure up against even 3 years after they happen unless someone just explodes with their new club. And even then, you still don know what the kids will do. Just a thought that wont be answered for quite some time. Although if you guys don't piss in each others faces all day, I have nothing to stare at except numbers, so keep it going...?
- SDSabre

Absolutely.

They are risks. Just like any pick (outside McDavid, Eichel etc)

Absolutely.

They are risks. Just like any pick (outside McDavid, Eichel etc)
- sbroads24

That was my point. They're all risks, with the players we have being less risks, closer to knowing what they are, for better or for worse. That's all I'm saying. So to say we should have gone one way or the other is kinda moot. I also don't like the "Look at Draisitl vs Samson debate. My thinking is Draisitl probably would have not been as good one the Sabres as he is on Edmonton. Where you play influences how well you play. Not saying the debate shouldn't be had, but something I rarely see mentioned as a counter argument. Anyways, too much input from the peanut gallery. Continue with the piss flingin.

I believe if Lehner wins, he controls if it's a 1 or 2 year deal


If the sabres win, they control if it's a 1 or 2 year deal



I think
- homiedclown

Nope, Lehner filed for arbitration, so the Sabres would decide on term. Mute point, as it won't go to arbitration. he'll sign for something around $4.5m per year, no clue on term.

That was my point. They're all risks, with the players we have being less risks, closer to knowing what they are, for better or for worse. That's all I'm saying. So to say we should have gone one way or the other is kinda moot. I also don't like the "Look at Draisitl vs Samson debate. My thinking is Draisitl probably would have not been as good one the Sabres as he is on Edmonton. Where you play influences how well you play. Not saying the debate shouldn't be had, but something I rarely see mentioned as a counter argument. Anyways, too much input from the peanut gallery. Continue with the piss flingin.
- SDSabre

Less risk, but still not guys I would consider core players outside of ROR.

Colin White is looking like a future core player.
Travis Konecny had close to 30 points as a 19 year old rookie.

I guess for me, hearing about how loaded the '15 draft was, it was shocking that we gave up 2 1st rounders, and 2 2nd's in that draft.

Just think of how much hype Guhle is getting, he was picked 51st that year.

Nope, Lehner filed for arbitration, so the Sabres would decide on term. Mute point, as it won't go to arbitration. he'll sign for something around $4.5m per year, no clue on term.
- turbo044

Botterill says signing him is the biggest remaining priority of the offseason, together with finding another valuable FA if possible.

New Buffalo Sabres GM Jason Botterill spoke to media following the conclusion of the Sabres’ development camp, and says the team is still looking for UFAs, reports Jourdon LaBarber of NHL.com. Botterill says that the team weighs whether to add a player via free agency, or wait and see if something materializes trade-wise. Botterill’s position represents every GM’s quandary in the off-season as no GM wants to miss out on a trade opportunity after filling a need with a higher-priced UFA. But at the same time, no GM wants to be waiting so long that they paint themselves in a corner and their options dwindle to nothing.
Staying with the Sabres, the team’s top priorities right now, according to LaBarber, are signing its RFAs. Robin Lehner remains the team’s most important RFA available, and as of now has an arbitration date for July 27, 2017. Most—if not all—players come to deals before the actual arbitration hearings, so expect both parties to agree to terms before then.

Botterill says signing him is the biggest remaining priority of the offseason, together with finding another valuable FA if possible.

New Buffalo Sabres GM Jason Botterill spoke to media following the conclusion of the Sabres’ development camp, and says the team is still looking for UFAs, reports Jourdon LaBarber of NHL.com. Botterill says that the team weighs whether to add a player via free agency, or wait and see if something materializes trade-wise. Botterill’s position represents every GM’s quandary in the off-season as no GM wants to miss out on a trade opportunity after filling a need with a higher-priced UFA. But at the same time, no GM wants to be waiting so long that they paint themselves in a corner and their options dwindle to nothing.
Staying with the Sabres, the team’s top priorities right now, according to LaBarber, are signing its RFAs. Robin Lehner remains the team’s most important RFA available, and as of now has an arbitration date for July 27, 2017. Most—if not all—players come to deals before the actual arbitration hearings, so expect both parties to agree to terms before then.
- Der Kaiser

2 years, 9 mil. Gives him ample chance to hold onto to the gig, and for us to walk away if it goes south

Less risk, but still not guys I would consider core players outside of ROR.

Colin White is looking like a future core player.
Travis Konecny had close to 30 points as a 19 year old rookie.

I guess for me, hearing about how loaded the '15 draft was, it was shocking that we gave up 2 1st rounders, and 2 2nd's in that draft.

Just think of how much hype Guhle is getting, he was picked 51st that year.
- sbroads24

I hear you. I really do. My point, and I think a few others points have been these players still carry larger risks of never becoming anything more then an ROR or Kane. I'm not saying I agree with every trade, or will even dive into this for that. I'm saying lets not anoint players as core players until they are core players. I for one still have reservations on whether Guhle pans out to be an every day solid 4, regardless of how he looked in limited action. Showing promise vs playing a top 6, top 4 and starting goalie are two different things. Of those trades, we got two top 6 forwards and a starting goalie, regardless about if anyone feels they aren't that. And all that really means is being in one of the top 180 forwards in the NHL, which Kane and ROR are. So far, White and Konecny are not, but they still could be, and they could be better. There's the risk/reward factor.

Less risk, but still not guys I would consider core players outside of ROR.

Colin White is looking like a future core player.
Travis Konecny had close to 30 points as a 19 year old rookie.

I guess for me, hearing about how loaded the '15 draft was, it was shocking that we gave up 2 1st rounders, and 2 2nd's in that draft.

Just think of how much hype Guhle is getting, he was picked 51st that year.
- sbroads24

Sam had 42 points as a 19 year old rookie and he's already labeled a bust and folks here can't wait to get rid of him.

I hear you. I really do. My point, and I think a few others points have been these players still carry larger risks of never becoming anything more then an ROR or Kane. I'm not saying I agree with every trade, or will even dive into this for that. I'm saying lets not anoint players as core players until they are core players. I for one still have reservations on whether Guhle pans out to be an every day solid 4, regardless of how he looked in limited action. Showing promise vs playing a top 6, top 4 and starting goalie are two different things. Of those trades, we got two top 6 forwards and a starting goalie, regardless about if anyone feels they aren't that. And all that really means is being in one of the top 180 forwards in the NHL, which Kane and ROR are. So far, White and Konecny are not, but they still could be, and they could be better. There's the risk/reward factor.
- SDSabre

While I agree, the opposite seems to be argued for the Kulikov trade. "it was all about Asplund"

People (not you) can't have it both ways.

If guys like Kane were signed long term, and we were good now, not wasting years of his contract or prime away, I'd feel differently. But that wasn't the case. We were bad, and are bad, and these guys could have been developing, would have been cheaper, which would have allotted more $$ available to add to the roster.

My takeaway from this conversation is that GMTM should have drafted Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson's arm.

Sam had 42 points as a 19 year old rookie and he's already labeled a bust and folks here can't wait to get rid of him.
- PrinceChill

He aint a bust.

Sam had 42 points as a 19 year old rookie and he's already labeled a bust and folks here can't wait to get rid of him.
- PrinceChill

Not me. I have a #23 and #15 jersey. Keep Rhino. He ain't no bust. Think Henrik/Daniel Sedin.

My takeaway from this conversation is that GMTM should have drafted Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson's arm.
- dr. who

Pegula is Lincoln, he keeps firing people and giving speeches (press conferences). Nolan is Grant, he keeps getting fired and brought back

Sure, difference for me at least is that White or Konecny etc would have been developing while we were still bad.

The jury is still out on whether Lehner, Kane, Bogo, or Fasching will be long term solutions.

We know ROR is a long term fixture
- sbroads24

You have been saying that for a long time already.

Everyone else is still waiting.
- Der Kaiser

They planned on taking Samsanov and not White so I wouldn't say he was our GMTM's target

My takeaway from this conversation is that GMTM should have drafted Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson's arm.
- dr. who

POTD

I hear you. I really do. My point, and I think a few others points have been these players still carry larger risks of never becoming anything more then an ROR or Kane. I'm not saying I agree with every trade, or will even dive into this for that. I'm saying lets not anoint players as core players until they are core players. I for one still have reservations on whether Guhle pans out to be an every day solid 4, regardless of how he looked in limited action. Showing promise vs playing a top 6, top 4 and starting goalie are two different things. Of those trades, we got two top 6 forwards and a starting goalie, regardless about if anyone feels they aren't that. And all that really means is being in one of the top 180 forwards in the NHL, which Kane and ROR are. So far, White and Konecny are not, but they still could be, and they could be better. There's the risk/reward factor.
- SDSabre

I can remember when the very bright future of the Sabres blue line was a dynamic young pairing named Andrej Sekera and Mike Weber.

Sam had 42 points as a 19 year old rookie and he's already labeled a bust and folks here can't wait to get rid of him.
- PrinceChill

Along with everyone in Rochester, cause they all are 4th liners

Looks like Tarzan
Plays like Jane

My takeaway from this conversation is that GMTM should have drafted Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson's arm.
- dr. who

attaboy

The legend continues

I love how people post that as some sort of indictment on "Kessler" when the only one actually doing anything in the GIF is Princess Phaneuf. And whoever the weirdo is that's sprinting on a treadmill. Kadri? has his goddamn arms folded. lol