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dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 17 @ 5:17 PM ET
I think he did well for the tight position he was in. But I am not convinced he is out of the woods yet. I was among a few others that thought FLA locked in a solid core that a year later has been dismantled.

I think they will regret the Drouin move long term and several of the large contracts handed out, especially if they fall short of a Cup

- WhiteLie


They needed to move one player and made their choice. i think they probably maximised their return by moving the frenche to Mtl.
Of course he might turn out to be a star, but yea, if they win a cup, all will be forgotten and if they don't, i reckon a few of those contracts will be flipped
WhiteLie
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Jul 17 @ 5:24 PM ET
They needed to move one player and made their choice. i think they probably maximised their return by moving the frenche to Mtl.
Of course he might turn out to be a star, but yea, if they win a cup, all will be forgotten and if they don't, i reckon a few of those contracts will be flipped

- dbot


Agreed, if I was a Lightning fan I would at least appreciate the decisive nature of the deal. Even though I think Drouin will be a star, taking a solid offer (because of the risk) and proceeding to build is a positive for the organization. Sitting around waiting only makes situations worse IMO
Redmile247
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.17.2013

Jul 17 @ 5:25 PM ET
This is for Redmile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlSYEsn3m1g

- A_SteamingLombardi


Man I didn't realize how many tap ins and soft goals he scored ...I could have put over half those in ...couple bullet shots though ...good on him
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jul 17 @ 5:45 PM ET
We have enough roster players at every position, I understand spending to the cap, and maybe acquiring a cheap UFA with the intention of flipping at TDL, but the Canucks first priority should be getting Horvat signed. 8 million left, not saying he will cost that much, but you don't want to be investing cap into Jagr without Horvat signed.
- Codes1087


Just heard Liam Maguire's take on Jager. He said he won't be able to help any team especially a playoff team. Guess that kills the flip status. But he sees no harm making room for Jager to play on Canucks as a side show for interest.

I believe how things are going they will complete signing their RFA's before looking at Horvat. But even after all that there seems to be plenty cap $$ for a 1yr flip player.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 17 @ 5:51 PM ET
Where does this flip player fit in & who is bumped?
I don't see it at all.
WhiteLie
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Jul 17 @ 5:54 PM ET
Where does this flip player fit in & who is bumped?
I don't see it at all.

- Nighthawk


If it did fit, it would be happening
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jul 17 @ 5:59 PM ET
Where does this flip player fit in & who is bumped?
I don't see it at all.

- Nighthawk


Roster wise they would have to make room. Candidates to bump....Gaunce, Chaput, Megna, Rodin, Boucher and DD. I'd rather they bump and play prospects who earn a spot. But the flip player is a doldrum topic while free agents exist on the cheap before camp.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 17 @ 6:00 PM ET
If it did fit, it would be happening
- WhiteLie


After a good draft & prospect pool has deepened & 4 UFA signings i think its obvious that we r done. I figure TG will play an aggressive skating game & players sit if not playing well. We will not be rolling out 4 lines unless all r rolling. Competition for spots & playing time is important not plugs for audition.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 17 @ 6:10 PM ET
After a good draft & prospect pool has deepened & 4 UFA signings i think its obvious that we r done. I figure TG will play an aggressive skating game & players sit if not playing well. We will not be rolling out 4 lines unless all r rolling. Competition for spots & playing time is important not plugs for audition.
- Nighthawk


yup.
Unless a trade presents itself, i think we're done too.

Unless....Matt Duchene for Tanev, JV and Sutter.

Allows the prophent VT to have his prediction come true and bump Bo to 3rd line.

Sedin/Sedin/Granlund
LE/Duchene/Brock
Sven/Bo/Gagner
Burmy/Gaunce/DD

sign Franson to mutli year deal.

Edler/Stetch
MDZ/Guddy
Hutton/Franson

WhiteLie
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Jul 17 @ 6:11 PM ET
After a good draft & prospect pool has deepened & 4 UFA signings i think its obvious that we r done. I figure TG will play an aggressive skating game & players sit if not playing well. We will not be rolling out 4 lines unless all r rolling. Competition for spots & playing time is important not plugs for audition.
- Nighthawk


I agree, the pool is deeper and the top end talent that is missing wont be acquired by mid-summer UFA's getting flipped at TDL. Spots are up for battle
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jul 17 @ 6:12 PM ET
After a good draft & prospect pool has deepened & 4 UFA signings i think its obvious that we r done. I figure TG will play an aggressive skating game & players sit if not playing well. We will not be rolling out 4 lines unless all r rolling. Competition for spots & playing time is important not plugs for audition.
- Nighthawk


The 5 UFA's counting goalie Nilsson can be broken down as 3 stop gaps and 2 reclamation projects. No "flip" players among them. Usually "flip" players are taken later in free agency, on the cheap, to pump and dump.

Like you said there will be competition for roster spots. We know there will be cap room. So here's the questions on moves:

1)Do Canucks want to maximize cap room to add to prospect pool on a "flip" signing?

2)Should Canucks keep more spots open for prospects to earn them over "depth" players who have no "flip" value?
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jul 17 @ 6:19 PM ET
After a good draft & prospect pool has deepened & 4 UFA signings i think its obvious that we r done. I figure TG will play an aggressive skating game & players sit if not playing well. We will not be rolling out 4 lines unless all r rolling. Competition for spots & playing time is important not plugs for audition.
- Nighthawk

Yup.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 17 @ 6:20 PM ET
1) the ufa pool is dog meat & a waste of a roster spot.
2) prospect pool is fine & gets better next draft. 1 lowly extra pick is nothing.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 17 @ 6:28 PM ET
No bites on the lineup...must be losing my touch.
Even mentioned Gaunce...
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jul 17 @ 6:29 PM ET
I agree, the pool is deeper and the top end talent that is missing wont be acquired by mid-summer UFA's getting flipped at TDL. Spots are up for battle
- WhiteLie


So Burrows for Dahlen was a waste?
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jul 17 @ 6:30 PM ET
No bites on the lineup...must be losing my touch.
Even mentioned Gaunce...

- dbot

Just getting better at scrolling over.
WhiteLie
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Jul 17 @ 6:35 PM ET
So Burrows for Dahlen was a waste?
- Nuck4U


Was Burrows acquired midsummer?
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 17 @ 6:35 PM ET
So Burrows for Dahlen was a waste?
- Nuck4U


Burrows is not a UFA. Argumentative
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 17 @ 6:36 PM ET
Just getting better at scrolling over.
- Marwood

Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jul 17 @ 6:36 PM ET
1) the ufa pool is dog meat & a waste of a roster spot.
2) prospect pool is fine & gets better next draft. 1 lowly extra pick is nothing.

- Nighthawk


You can write the obituaries for the free agents and tell extra pick Gadjovich to pack it in then.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jul 17 @ 6:40 PM ET
Was Burrows acquired midsummer?
- WhiteLie


Not buying him out and keeping on roster was a pump and dump.

WhiteLie
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Jul 17 @ 6:43 PM ET
Not buying him out and keeping on roster was a pump and dump.
- Nuck4U


So you're saying he wasnt acquired mid-summer by the Canucks when everyone else had an equal chance to acquire him? Ok so then the Burrows-Dahlen must not have been relevant to my original post
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jul 17 @ 6:45 PM ET
Burrows is not a UFA. Argumentative
- Nighthawk


Your arguments say that there is nothing to gain. Not allowing for options. Explaining that there are options with Canuck Burr example of pump and dump. Now with cap room are there any free agents this summer that can do same?

Gave alternative to keep roster spots for prospects to earn over depth or reclamation players. It's a choice between what's needed more now, prospect pool adds or prospect development room.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 17 @ 6:58 PM ET
You can write the obituaries for the free agents and tell extra pick Gadjovich to pack it in then.
- Nuck4U


What?
A dud plug out there will fetch a 2nd?
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Jul 17 @ 7:00 PM ET
What?
A dud plug out there will fetch a 2nd?

- Nighthawk


Plug no. Flip pump and dump type could.
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