I have LE, Gagner and Sutter/Granlund all with more points than Baertchi this year.

Bo - 62
Hank - 55
Dank - 55
LE - 52
Sutter - 47
Granlund - 44
Gagner - 42
Baertchi - 39
- LordHumungous

I think youre list is pretty good except I dont think Sutter will be having a career year. Dropping him to the bottom at 33-36 points seems most likely. Granlund is a bit of a wildcard to me. Could build off last season, or struggle a bit depending on his role/position

ARZ - NJ - will finish lower than us as well.
- LordHumungous

I don't think either will finish below us. Arizona I feel got better in the off season. Not to mention adding Keller full time, and getting rid of some bad D, I think they will be improved. New Jersey I think will hover around the point totals as us but I still think they are a better team.

I don't think either will finish below us. Arizona I feel got better in the off season. Not to mention adding Keller full time, and getting rid of some bad D, I think they will be improved. New Jersey I think will hover around the point totals as us but I still think they are a better team.
- Codes1087

NJ will have Hall, Zajac, Henrique, Johannsen, Palmieri, Zacha and Hischier up front and Schneider in net. They wont be playoff contender good, but cant see them being bottom 3 bad either.

I like the moves AZ made as well: Hjalmarsson, Raanta, Stepan will help but still a chance they could fall flat

I think youre list is pretty good except I dont think Sutter will be having a career year. Dropping him to the bottom at 33-36 points seems most likely. Granlund is a bit of a wildcard to me. Could build off last season, or struggle a bit depending on his role/position
- WhiteLie

I think Sutter breaks 40 barely. Granlund may see less PP time because of Gagner. Only had 7 points on the PP last season though. May see a small rise but not a break out season.

Morning guys, hey how about JB goes looking for a few UFA's that he can pump and dump, or is that pick and flip and then he can get another pump and dump player.

With two pump and dumps and one pick and flip, there could be 3 new prospects that will get us to division champions, but if it's not working that way, JB can again do another two pump and dumps at the TDL and buy some really really talented players that will definitely put the team in the playoffs.

It so exciting to be a canuck fan right now with all the pump and dumps available, not to mention the pick and flips we could realize...oohh I'm so excited I'm giddy.
- Makita

Filthy, just filthy.

Which 2 are worse?
- classic321

Calgary and Toronto.

I think Sutter breaks 40 barely. Granlund may see less PP time because of Gagner. Only had 7 points on the PP last season though. May see a small rise but not a break out season.
- manvanfan

I think Green will continue to lean on Sutter in a defensive role. I think Sutter's time on the PP will be limited with potentially Sedins, LE, Sven, Bo, Gagner, and maybe Boeser/Granlund/Burmistrov getting time on there ahead of him. Tough to see him being a better offensive contributor with less opportunities

NJ will have Hall, Zajac, Henrique, Johannsen, Palmieri, Zacha and Hischier up front and Schneider in net. They wont be playoff contender good, but cant see them being bottom 3 bad either.

I like the moves AZ made as well: Hjalmarsson, Raanta, Stepan will help but still a chance they could fall flat
- WhiteLie

They possibly have the worst Defense in the league,
Severson, their best defender was -30 last year
Green, Lovejoy, Moore, Prout (who?)Kapla (who?) ain't much help either.

ARZ - NJ - will finish lower than us as well.
- LordHumungous

This is the year we don't lose the lottery.... and pick 5th from placement.
I mean it is kinda our spot to pick right?

I think Sutter breaks 40 barely. Granlund may see less PP time because of Gagner. Only had 7 points on the PP last season though. May see a small rise but not a break out season.
- manvanfan

optimism is good in the morning.

I feel like saying I don't care what Sutter gets in regard to points because I just want him off the pp. we should have more offensive options available this season that Sutter is no longer a mainstay.

Then again, I expect Sutter will produce at his average rate.

hate is good in the morning.

I feel like saying I don't care what Sutter gets in regard to points because I just want him off the pp. we should have more offensive options available this season that Sutter is no longer a mainstay.

Then again, I expect Sutter will produce at his average rate.
- hillbillydeluxe

Fixed.

optimism is good in the morning.

I feel like saying I don't care what Sutter gets in regard to points because I just want him off the pp. we should have more offensive options available this season that Sutter is no longer a mainstay.

Then again, I expect Sutter will produce at his average rate.
- hillbillydeluxe

http://thehockeywriters.c...ks-adjust-bo-horvat-role/

The best part is how guance is a better defensive center then horvat

Guance

I think Green will continue to lean on Sutter in a defensive role. I think Sutter's time on the PP will be limited with potentially Sedins, LE, Sven, Bo, Gagner, and maybe Boeser/Granlund/Burmistrov getting time on there ahead of him. Tough to see him being a better offensive contributor with less opportunities
- WhiteLie

Net front presence.

Fixed.
- Marwood

the garden is nice in the morning, the freshly cut grass looks like comfy carpet to roll around on. (some tomatoes are almost ready )

They possibly have the worst Defense in the league,
Severson, their best defender was -30 last year
Green, Lovejoy, Moore, Prout (who?)Kapla (who?) ain't much help either.
- Brooks_Light

Which is why I dont think they make the playoffs, but Schneider back with Melanson will help cover for those mistakes and keep them to a high 70's team IMO

optimism is good in the morning.

I feel like saying I don't care what Sutter gets in regard to points because I just want him off the pp. we should have more offensive options available this season that Sutter is no longer a mainstay.

Then again, I expect Sutter will produce at his average rate.
- hillbillydeluxe

as I just mentioned, who's going to play the front of the net, who according to Newell Brown said is a mainstay on the PP.

http://thehockeywriters.c...ks-adjust-bo-horvat-role/
- Pres.cup

why the f*ck would you "cut back" Horvat's role if you are Green. He was held back if anything under Willie last year. 30% of his starts were in the O-zone only, and he was deployed on the 2nd PP. If we take the "you get what you deserve approach" then give the kid 1st line minutes and 1st unit PP and stop babying the aging Sedins and give them what they deserve... 2nd/3rd line minutes and 2nd unit PP...

the garden is nice in the morning, the freshly cut grass looks like comfy carpet to roll around on. (some tomatoes are almost ready )
- hillbillydeluxe

why the f*ck would you "cut back" Horvat's role if you are Green. He was held back if anything under Willie last year. 30% of his starts were in the O-zone only, and he was deployed on the 2nd PP. If we take the "you get what you deserve approach" then give the kid 1st line minutes and 1st unit PP and stop babying the aging Sedins and give them what they deserve... 2nd/3rd line minutes and 2nd unit PP...
- Codes1087

You're showing some good anger there, Codes.

You're showing some good anger there, Codes.
- Marwood

as I just mentioned, who's going to play the front of the net, who according to Newell Brown said is a mainstay on the PP.
- manvanfan

I would like to see them get away from net front presence TBH. Go with a high slot set up and a guy below the goal line in a 1-3-1 formation and then crash the net for rebounds on shot attempts. Whether its Daniel, LE, Sutter none are truly effective in front of the net, so why force square peg into round hole?

But you are right, Brown will start Sutter on the PP apparently as his Kesler-lite
http://www.vancourier.com...the-power-play-1.20489723

I would like to see them get away from net front presence TBH. Go with a high slot set up and a guy below the goal line in a 1-3-1 formation and then crash the net for rebounds on shot attempts. Whether its Daniel, LE, Sutter none are truly effective in front of the net, so why force square peg into round hole?

But you are right, Brown will start Sutter on the PP apparently as his Kesler-lite
http://www.vancourier.com...the-power-play-1.20489723
- WhiteLie

Is it all about Sutter on face offs?

I'd rather see Baertschi, Boeser, LE, or Granlund on the wing than Sutter.

I think Brendan Gaunce is on the cusp of greatness.

Discuss.

You think the scrap heap that McPhee put together will be better than Van?
- Retinalz

I think Vegas will have one of the worst teams in history. I don't understand why anyone likes that garbage roster.

Is it all about Sutter on face offs?

I'd rather see Baertschi, Boeser, LE, or Granlund on the wing than Sutter.
- hillbillydeluxe

I think faceoffs and RH shot are essentially the core elements of Brown's favor. I agree though that Sutter shouldnt be on it. If you want a RH shot backside, Boeser. Gagner is also RH, takes draws and has spent some time in the middle of the ice on PP in CBJ