Except Bo is 22yrs old.
- A_SteamingLombardi

ohhhhh sh&t - That makes a HUGE difference, i take back everything i said. My argument is completely void of logic - by 3 months.

ohhhhh sh&t - That makes a HUGE difference, i take back everything i said. My argument is completely void of logic - by 3 months.
- Brooks_Light

only a Sith deals in absolutes.

How many points did Bonino get? Pretty close to 20 goals if I remember right, depends on if the guy is okay being labelled a "3rd line centre". Bonino always seems to be okay with it
- Crazybagoham

Bones had 37 points last year. Playing on the best most dynamic team in hockey.... as the 3lc with spot duly as 2lc and pp time.

Bo is twice the player that Bonino ever will be. Both offensively and defensively there is no comparison.

37 points is a far cry from 53 points.... almost 20 pints different.

I see your point, but just consider that in 2-4 years when he's developed even more and has even better players with him, why isn't conceivable to expect him to score 80 points and lead the team as the #1C? He's improved by from 25-40-52 in each year, so thats .36, .48,.64 PPG - guys that have led their teams to SFC, like Johanson, Forsberg, Couture, Palvelski, Turris, Hoffman had pretty much the exact same trajectory as Bo, so i just don't understand why you feel he has a limit? I don't think we've come close to seeing his full potential, especially if/when he gets some better teammates.
- Brooks_Light

In 2-4 years, he'll be 25-27 and close to the end of his prime. If Bo scores 80, I'll be pleasantly surprised, I just don't see when he isn't known for being a playmaker and plays a 200 foot game that likes to carry the puck to the net and shoot first how he ever develops into that 1C. If he does, great, break the bank for him then and build your team around him. I just don't want to see him get 6 years 5+ mil/season right now and have him be a better version of Sutter or a Jordan Staal in Carolina.

No, I claimed that if you want a Cup WINNING team, he can't be your 1C and ideally not your 2C because he just isn't dynamic enough offensively or a playmaking center. Let's be clear, he is what he is, a 200 foot, great on faceoffs, takes the puck to the net and shoot-first center. I've said it before, I'll say it again, he's the guy you want protecting the lead, taking those crucial defensive zone faceoffs with 2 minutes left in the third to bring it home or loaded up as a winger and backup faceoff guy pressing to score the clutch goal to tie or win the game. I just don't see his ceiling as being high enough to ever be a 1C. Could be he'll make a very good 2C, but if you want Cup wins, you need better options, or else, scoring depth behind him so that he's not relied upon to do it all like he did this year. Which after his appearance at the ASG, his offense dried up as he was put into the 1A/1B center role behind and before Henrik and couldn't deal with the top defensive pair matchups.

He is a very good player, I just don't want to build around him as our 1C, I want someone much more offensively dynamic and a better playmaker driving our offense. I only said that if I was wanting to win the Cup hopefully I have the depth in front of him that he would be our 3C or a 2A/2B so that he would be free to take the pressure off of the top 2 scoring lines. Not that he is nothing BUT a 3C, just that he'd be 3C because we drafted better centers. Why is this so hard to understand, I love how he plays, I just don't want the team built around him because I want us to draft a better player (maybe EP who knows?).
- DariusKnight

You already said this for the last time a few posts ago...... liar


If we draft another center who turns out better then Bo then we will have to trade one of those 3 centers because of cap space.... sure it'd be nice to have the highest scoring best 3lc in the world.... but thats as unrealistic as never having to wipe again....

You already said this for the last time a few posts ago...... liar


If we draft another center who turns out better then Bo then we will have to trade one of those 3 centers because of cap space.... sure it'd be nice to have the highest scoring best 3lc in the world.... but thats as unrealistic as never having to wipe again....
- Pres.cup

I said it'd be ideal, I didn't say it'll happen, likely as not EP develops into that dynamic offensive 1C and Bo is our 2C and everyone's poopting sunshine and rainbows and eating ice cream and candy for dinner.

In 2-4 years, he'll be 25-27 and close to the end of his prime. If Bo scores 80, I'll be pleasantly surprised, I just don't see when he isn't known for being a playmaker and plays a 200 foot game that likes to carry the puck to the net and shoot first how he ever develops into that 1C. If he does, great, break the bank for him then and build your team around him. I just don't want to see him get 6 years 5+ mil/season right now and have him be a better version of Sutter or a Jordan Staal in Carolina.
- DariusKnight

26 is close to the end of his prime? Somebody should tell that to Crosby quick before he wins another cup

26 is close to the end of his prime? Somebody should tell that to Crosby quick before he wins another cup
- CanuckDon

So you're saying Bo is generational talent??? Not only is Bo destined to be a 1C, he's also so good that we can utter his name next to Crosby and McDavid??? That's news to me, hell JB, sign Bo right now for 8 years 15 mil and trade EP immediately for futures, we've got our guy right here!

Is it foolish? He lead our team in scoring with 53 points, not taking any of his accomplishments away, but that's more of a knock against the talent on our team than on him. Also remember that players don't peak at 27 anymore, they peak early and then decline after they reach UFA age.

Is it possible he develops into a 1C? I suppose it's possible, I just would prefer to have a better option in front of him because I look at how badly his offense dried up near the end of the year when you'd expect him to get more points because teams would ease up on the Canucks because they aren't trying to make the playoffs. I look at that and say, if the team were trying to make a run to the post-season and actually win a round, could we count on him for offense? Before we commit to building the team around him, that needs to be answered and I think the answer RIGHT THIS MOMENT, is /not yet/. Could we? Sure, but before I give him 5-6 years and 1st line money, I want to see him score at least 70, preferably 80 points over the next two years before I do and then yeah, by all means, break the bank for him.
- DariusKnight

Do you know how many centers scored 70 or 80 points last year?
4 scored over
8 more scored 70 or more.
So 12..... are there only 12 1lc I the nhl?
Statistical both Kessler and bozak were top 30 scoring centers last year with 55 points....
Think about that, bo was 2 points off from being a top 30 scoring centers.... at 21yo.... so that makes him what? An elite 2lc.

Also if he hits 80 points he's getting 9 to 10 million per year.... lock him up now.

Do you know how many centers scored 7o or 80 points lat year?
4 scored over
8 more scored 70 or more.
So 12..... are there only 12 1lc I the nhl?
Statistical both Kessler and bozak were top 30 scoring centers last year with 55 points....
Think about that, bo was 2 points off from being a top 30 scoring centers.... at 21yo.... so that makes him what? An elite 2lc.

Also if he hits 80 points he's getting 9 to 10 million per year.... lock him up now.
- Pres.cup

I'm wrong, Don convinced me, Bo is generational, lock him up 8 years 15 million and trade EP, we don't need a better center.

In 2-4 years, he'll be 25-27 and close to the end of his prime. If Bo scores 80, I'll be pleasantly surprised, I just don't see when he isn't known for being a playmaker and plays a 200 foot game that likes to carry the puck to the net and shoot first how he ever develops into that 1C. If he does, great, break the bank for him then and build your team around him. I just don't want to see him get 6 years 5+ mil/season right now and have him be a better version of Sutter or a Jordan Staal in Carolina.
- DariusKnight

I don't know what kinda calculator you're using, but he'll be 24-26 and have people, like Boeser, Petterson, Dahlin, Granlund, Lind, Gaudette, Goldobin, Gadjovich, McEwen and Lockwood playing around him, not Dorsett, Kinnins, Richardson, Higgins, Etem, Vey. And you're prime years example is absurd, I could rhyme off about 20 players over the age of 30 who haven't slowed down at all. When Bo hits 33-34 then we can talk about the declining years.

So you're saying Bo is generational talent??? Not only is Bo destined to be a 1C, he's also so good that we can utter his name next to Crosby and McDavid??? That's news to me, hell JB, sign Bo right now for 8 years 15 mil and trade EP immediately for futures, we've got our guy right here!
- DariusKnight

Yes! That's exactly what I'm saying solid comprehension

I don't know what kinda calculator you're using, but he'll be 24-26 and have people, like Boeser, Petterson, Dahlin, Granlund, Lind, Gaudette, Goldobin, Gadjovich, McEwen and Lockwood playing around him, not Dorsett, Kinnins, Richardson, Higgins, Etem, Vey. And you're prime years example is absurd, I could rhyme off about 20 players over the age of 30 who haven't slowed down at all. When Bo hits 33-34 then we can talk about the declining years.
- Brooks_Light

24-26 is way past your prime bro! Wake up son

I'm wrong, Don convinced me, Bo is generational, lock him up 8 years 15 million and trade EP, we don't need a better center.
- DariusKnight

Nobody said that.

You said he'd be a great elite 3lc.... i said he's already an good 2lc and showed you the numbers to back that up.
Kessler is an elite 2lc with numbers that are top 30..... Bo has 35th ranked goals for a center and 36th ranked points for a center.
Hard numbers do not lie. That is top third 2lc numbers.
He should be asking for 7x7.
I would love it if he got 6mx8 but don't be shocked if its more money for less time

I don't know what kinda calculator you're using, but he'll be 24-26 and have people, like Boeser, Petterson, Dahlin, Granlund, Lind, Gaudette, Goldobin, Gadjovich, McEwen and Lockwood playing around him, not Dorsett, Kinnins, Richardson, Higgins, Etem, Vey. And you're prime years example is absurd, I could rhyme off about 20 players over the age of 30 who haven't slowed down at all. When Bo hits 33-34 then we can talk about the declining years.
- Brooks_Light

Maybe not, but we're talking about signing him for minimum 6 years at 5+ mil a season which is what I last heard bandied about in the media. I just don't want to commit that much money to him when he had ONE great season on a bad team and where he dropped off the map near the end of it when given greater and greater offensive responsibility. I just worry we'll end up closer to a Jordan Staal than a Bergeron which is what everyone says his ceiling is. I'd like to get him for 2 years 4.75 mil and if he improves and scores consistently throughout the entire season while being the 1C then sure, give him LD money and term because then he'll have earned it and I'll eat my words.

I'm wrong, Don convinced me, Bo is generational, lock him up 8 years 15 million and trade EP, we don't need a better center.
- DariusKnight

No one is saying we don't need a better C, I think we'd all agree and HOPE that EP is our future #1, but I think what myself, Pres and Don are essentially arguing is Bo is gonna be a legit #2 with #1 potential. Just have some faith in his ability. Its not just about him and EP, Gaudette has the potential to be a deadly #3, now keep filling in the wingers/snipers and hope to christ we find a #1 D.

24-26 is way past your prime bro! Wake up son
- CanuckDon

Bo is already to old, trade him for future considerations, lets try to ice a team of 20yo players.

Dahlen petterson virt
Subban guadette boeser
Scrubs to fill the bottom

oj brisbrois
Scrubs to fill the bottom




demko

Maybe not, but we're talking about signing him for minimum 6 years at 5+ mil a season which is what I last heard bandied about in the media. I just don't want to commit that much money to him when he had ONE great season on a bad team and where he dropped off the map near the end of it when given greater and greater offensive responsibility. I just worry we'll end up closer to a Jordan Staal than a Bergeron which is what everyone says his ceiling is. I'd like to get him for 2 years 4.75 mil and if he improves and scores consistently throughout the entire season while being the 1C then sure, give him LD money and term because then he'll have earned it and I'll eat my words.
- DariusKnight

Well contract, Bo's ceiling, and how to build a SC winning club are 3 huge arguments. I respect your concerns about all three aspects, but i'd say by comparison to other players of his caliber, theres more weight to favour him hitting his ceiling and exceeding it, than not. Bo's glass is more than half full. He's a safe risk to take.

I know this will enrage some of you but I think this team could push for a playoff spot.
- thundachunk

Nobody said that.

You said he'd be a great elite 3lc.... i said he's already an good 2lc and showed you the numbers to back that up.
Kessler is an elite 2lc with numbers that are top 30..... Bo has 35th ranked goals for a center and 36th ranked points for a center.
Hard numbers do not lie. That is top third 2lc numbers.
He should be asking for 7x7.
I would love it if he got 6mx8 but don't be shocked if its more money for less time
- Pres.cup

I NEVER SAID HE'D BE A GREAT ELITE 3LC!!! I said ideally on a championship team he'd be the 3C because we'd be lucky enough to get that Crosby/Malkin ahead of him! Not that he's DESTINED to JUST be a 3C... Great, so he has top third 2C numbers... for three quarters of a season.

You know what, I give up, you guys want to give him a Kopitar-like deal (closest comparison I can make based upon dollars/term/position) when he's had just one good season and couldn't be consistent enough offensively to score in the latter half of the season, the point when your team is ready to fight to make the playoffs, you want your 1C and 2C to be scoring at better than his seasonal average. I just think that's asking for trouble down the line.

I personally wouldn't build the team around him, but I'm not a GM, what do I know. I just look around the league and what the trends are and I look at our team and I ask myself can we be a contender with Bo being our centerpiece center. I say no, you guys say yes, fair enough. I'll agree to disagree with you and I'll happily eat my words if it turns out the way you say, I just don't see it and I just don't think we can win if we're building our team around him.

No one is saying we don't need a better C, I think we'd all agree and HOPE that EP is our future #1, but I think what myself, Pres and Don are essentially arguing is Bo is gonna be a legit #2 with #1 potential. Just have some faith in his ability. Its not just about him and EP, Gaudette has the potential to be a deadly #3, now keep filling in the wingers/snipers and hope to christ we find a #1 D.
- Brooks_Light

Agree 100%

Bo is already to old, trade him for future considerations, lets try to ice a team of 20yo players.

Dahlen petterson virt
Subban guadette boeser
Scrubs to fill the bottom

oj brisbrois
Scrubs to fill the bottom




demko
- Pres.cup

I agree but we need to keep Gaunce for mentorship and his ability to snipe clutch goals.id also like a couple pump and dumps in the bottom 6. Other than that, sexy roster

I agree but we need to keep Gaunce for mentorship and his ability to snipe clutch goals.id also like a couple pump and dumps in the bottom 6. Other than that, sexy roster

- CanuckDon

Needs a flip pick.

I need to go drink beer.

Needs a flip pick.
- Marwood

What the heck is that