In describing Kane as a "40 point player" when his defining characteristic is his GOAL SCORING

U do that to obviously twist it to appear to better fit your viewpoint

Would u describe Joe Thornton as a "7 goal scorer"
Of course not
Bc even though it's true, describing him like that makes it sound like we'd be better off with Foligno

That's exactly what u do to Kane

His value to the team comes with his goals
Especially at even strength
Which we obviously lack from others
- jdfitz77

He had 25 EV goals last year, which is excellent.

Guess how many he had the year before? 13. Which was 87th in the league.

He's inconsistent, and has been his whole career.

He's replaceable. Same with most players on this team

We have an 8 year sample of Evander Kane.

Playing under 3 different coaches, different lines and centers. He is who he is.
- sbroads24

Yeah, a GOAL SCORER

still waiting for the list of last yeat's 5v5 goal scorers

Well then I guess NO ONE he mentioned has any pet in plans for our future
That's a really dumb basis to think you know his specific plans for Kane
- jdfitz77

I know Pegula's plan for Kane, and it's for him not to be here long term.

And yes, I have a source for that

Yeah, a GOAL SCORER

still waiting for the list of last yeat's 5v5 goal scorers
- jdfitz77

Yep, and nothing he does poorly ( like being one of the worst passers in the NHL, and that's a fact) matters. Got it

He had 25 EV goals last year, which is excellent.

Guess how many he had the year before? 13. Which was 87th in the league.

He's inconsistent, and has been his whole career.

He's replaceable. Same with most players on this team
- sbroads24

So are 95% of the players in the NHL...
especially when the league makes it so hard to score


But fine... we'll average them
How many guys had more than 19 even strength goals last year?

So are 95% of the players in the NHL...
especially when the league makes it so hard to score


But fine... we'll average them
How many guys had more than 19 even strength goals last year?
- jdfitz77

How many forwards who play 19 minutes a night can muster more than 15 assists in a season? Most of them.

His pros and cons make him an average 2nd line winger. Replaceable.

Sorry, it's just the truth

Yep, and nothing he does poorly ( like being one of the worst passers in the NHL, and that's a fact) matters. Got it
- sbroads24

U should take EVERYTHING into account
However...
you ONLY describe Kane in his worst possible terms EVERY time

And it's obviously bc you're so biased against him

U literally talk about him up at least once a week

How many forwards who play 19 minutes a night can muster more than 15 assists in a season? Most of them.

His pros and cons make him an average 2nd line winger. Replaceable.

Sorry, it's just the truth
- sbroads24

It's the "truth" when u define him by his least impressive stats

Do you... or do u not... ALWAYS do so?

Yep, and nothing he does poorly ( like being one of the worst passers in the NHL, and that's a fact) matters. Got it
- sbroads24

I like kane' s game a lot

But

It's like no one ever taught him how to cradle a pass

U should take EVERYTHING into account
However...
you ONLY describe Kane in his worst possible terms EVERY time

And it's obviously bc you're so biased against him

U literally talk about him up at least once a week
- jdfitz77

Worst possible? I'm talking about his overall production. He's a 40 point player who's a very good 5 on 5 goal scorer, and AWFUL passer. Like legitimately tied with Nic Delauriers for the worst assists per 60 on the team.

You think he's a 6 mil player? Cool man.

I can't circle the wagons with you anymore.

I predicted you would do this exact thing when we had the Reinhart/Bennett debate and you only mentioned their overall points. You did exactly what I predicted

I like kane' s game a lot

But

It's like no one ever taught him how to cradle a pass
- jcragcrumple

Funny thing is I don't even hate Kane the player. I hate how hyped he gets every year like he's Ovechkin

Worst possible? I'm talking about his overall production. He's a 40 point player who's a very good 5 on 5 goal scorer, and AWFUL passer. Like legitimately tied with Nic Delauriers for the worst assists per 60 on the team.

You think he's a 6 mil player? Cool man.

I can't circle the wagons with you anymore.

I predicted you would do this exact thing when we had the Reinhart/Bennett debate and you only mentioned their overall points. You did exactly what I predicted
- sbroads24

U were wrong then too

Worst possible? I'm talking about his overall production. He's a 40 point player who's a very good 5 on 5 goal scorer, and AWFUL passer. Like legitimately tied with Nic Delauriers for the worst assists per 60 on the team.

You think he's a 6 mil player? Cool man.

I can't circle the wagons with you anymore.

I predicted you would do this exact thing when we had the Reinhart/Bennett debate and you only mentioned their overall points. You did exactly what I predicted
- sbroads24

Broadstradamus

Funny thing is I don't even hate Kane the player. I hate how hyped he gets every year like he's Ovechkin
- sbroads24

What an outright lie!
Hahahahahaha

All u do is talk sh!t about him... EVERY SINGLE WEEK

There's not a poster on here who even comes close to delivering the amount of hate u do on Kane

Worst possible? I'm talking about his overall production. He's a 40 point player who's a very good 5 on 5 goal scorer, and AWFUL passer. Like legitimately tied with Nic Delauriers for the worst assists per 60 on the team.

You think he's a 6 mil player? Cool man.

I can't circle the wagons with you anymore.

I predicted you would do this exact thing when we had the Reinhart/Bennett debate and you only mentioned their overall points. You did exactly what I predicted
- sbroads24

He might take 6 to play in LA or NY but I think you're looking at 7 to keep him here

What an outright lie!
Hahahahahaha

All u do is talk sh!t about him... EVERY SINGLE WEEK

There's not a poster on here who even comes close to delivering the amount of hate u do on Kane
- jdfitz77

Not hate. Realism.

I was told we had a 35-40 goal scorer who was reformed, to play with Eichel when we got him.

I'm the one who didn't think that was the case

He might take 6 to play in LA or NY but I think you're looking at 7 to keep him here
- jcragcrumple

Most ppl say we need to add a winger, not trade one
But that said...
I'm ok if we trade him

But if we decide to do a dumbass thing like replace him with Versteeg it'll be a freaking disaster

Not hate. Realism.

I was told we had a 35-40 goal scorer who was reformed, to play with Eichel when we got him.

I'm the one who didn't think that was the case
- sbroads24

Thinking he wasn't a 35 goal scorer...
u were right

But don't act like u don't hate on him every chance u get

Most ppl say we need to add a winger, not trade one
But that said...
I'm ok if we trade him

But if we decide to do a dumbass thing like replace him with Versteeg it'll be a freaking disaster
- jdfitz77

Is there a reason why you think I'm in love with Kris Versteeg?

He resigned for a year with CGY. He's not an option.

But it is funny that we signed a similar player in Pouliot

Most ppl say we need to add a winger, not trade one
But that said...
I'm ok if we trade him

But if we decide to do a dumbass thing like replace him with Versteeg it'll be a freaking disaster
- jdfitz77

I'd offer him 5 years 30 mil, and pull the trigger on a trade now if he says no. Not for picks, but for a couple guys who are ready to leave the AHL.

There's gotta be a team on the cusp who would love to have him if we retained some salary

Thinking he wasn't a 35 goal scorer...
u were right

But don't act like u don't hate on him every chance u get
- jdfitz77

He could score 35 this year. Hell maybe 60 points.

He's talented enough.

But that wouldn't change my thought on resigning him unless it's cheap.

Is there a reason why you think I'm in love with Kris Versteeg?

He resigned for a year with CGY. He's not an option.

But it is funny that we signed a similar player in Pouliot
- sbroads24

That comment wasn't to you

But u did tell me that Versteeg was an adequate replacement for Kane before
He's not... not even close


25-15-40pts
is NOT the same as
15-25-40pts

No matter how u try to spin it

I'd offer him 5 years 30 mil, and pull the trigger on a trade now if he says no. Not for picks, but for a couple guys who are ready to leave the AHL.

There's gotta be a team on the cusp who would love to have him if we retained some salary
- jcragcrumple

This is so much more reasonably put than how SBroads does
And I COMPLETELY AGREE

That comment wasn't to you

But u did tell me that Versteeg was an adequate replacement for Kane before
He's not... not even close


25-15-40pts
is NOT the same as
15-25-40pts

No matter how u try to spin it
- jdfitz77

Dude my god.

Didn't you JUST use Joe Thornton as a comparison?

So if Versteeg is a really good passer, isn't that what he's "known for" and that's how he should be judged?

U can describe him as a "40point winger" to try & downplay his goal scoring all u want...

But saying a guy who scores 25ish goals, and nearly all of them at even strength, is "easily replaceable" is a misrepresentation

You're just wrong & trying to twist it bc u don't like Kane
Go ahead & list all the guys who had more even strength goals than Kane this past year


Seriously... when have u gone a week without talking smack?
- jdfitz77

Just ignore him, he's not worth the time and seems to always trying to start an argument or get under peoples skin. I can't stand people like that and have realized it's better not to engage, because it's a battle that can not be won. You're better off talking to a wall, or air lol.

But you're right. So many people complain that we need a sniper and a finisher, yet want to trade Kane, or let him walk without a replacement plan. Then, they will try and down play how valuable he is by attacking his character, saying he's too 1 dimensional, ect. But those are most likely people who don't understand hockey very well, and just how special and rare his style of play and talent really is. A 25 year old that can absolutely fly, brings physicality, can score 5 on 5, and actually put fear onto the other team. Not many players have those attributes. Now is he a perfect player? Not even close. And should he deserve a raise? Well if it were up to me I wouldn't give it to him, but such is the NHL life for UFAs. Teams have most of the leverage for the first 7 years, then the player gets it when they hit UFA status. That's what all players look forward to. And it's the reason he will make more than most of the RFAs that just signed (Arvidsson, Gaudreau, ect).
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