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manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Aug 2 @ 6:20 PM ET

D-men that make it to FA are there for a reason, if they are any good their teams would have then signed long term.

- A_SteamingLombardi

Unless it is a players choice. With such a premium on legit top 4 D now, teams are locking top 4 D up early and for length.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Aug 2 @ 6:24 PM ET
Has anyone realized that the next McDavid is 10 years old right now? Anyone have a 10 year old kid that could be him?
classic321
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 07.04.2012

Aug 2 @ 6:28 PM ET
Has anyone realized that the next McDavid is 10 years old right now? Anyone have a 10 year old kid that could be him?
- Retinalz



I thought it was some kid in the 2019 Draft

Something Hughes
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Aug 2 @ 6:40 PM ET
I thought it was some kid in the 2019 Draft

Something Hughes

- classic321

Naw, every 10 years he is born. McDavid 1997, Crosby 1987, etc. So 2007 one was born and this year one will be born.

There can be super elite players like Laine, etc inbetween though. They are close to generational but not quite there.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 2 @ 6:44 PM ET
Has anyone realized that the next McDavid is 10 years old right now? Anyone have a 10 year old kid that could be him?
- Retinalz

How many generational players have been born and had parents that couldn't afford to put them through hockey?
SRam19
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Messier the Greatest Canucks Captain
Joined: 02.12.2015

Aug 2 @ 6:44 PM ET
Naw, every 10 years he is born. McDavid 1997, Crosby 1987, etc. So 2007 one was born and this year one will be born.

There can be super elite players like Laine, etc inbetween though. They are close to generational but not quite there.

- Retinalz


Linden just had a kid, does that count?
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Aug 2 @ 6:46 PM ET
How many generational players have been born and had parents that couldn't afford to put them through hockey?
- A_SteamingLombardi

A lot.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 2 @ 6:46 PM ET
Linden just had a kid, does that count?
- SRam19

He's going to be a generational talent in the sunglass industry.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Aug 2 @ 6:46 PM ET
Linden just had a kid, does that count?
- SRam19

He'll probably be a good player if he goes that route.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Aug 2 @ 6:47 PM ET
A lot.
- Marwood

Think of how much better the NHL would be(and how much more money they would make) if they invested into hockey leagues for 12 and under to make it cheaper for kids to play. Better players = better product = more money.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Aug 2 @ 6:56 PM ET
Think of how much better the NHL would be(and how much more money they would make) if they invested into hockey leagues for 12 and under to make it cheaper for kids to play. Better players = better product = more money.
- Retinalz


NHL narrows it focus on CHL so they get a better return on investment. If there are 540,000-570,000 kids registered to play in Canada and only 700ish play in the NHL each season they would be spending a lot on kids they will never see (last season Canadians made up less than 50% of league). So instead they pay the CHL which cuts its risk by 500,000 players to generate its product with more predictability

I dont agree with how expensive hockey has become, but I dont blame the NHL for not dumping millions into kids that will unlikely provide a return on investment
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 2 @ 6:58 PM ET
Gadjovich is making this team.

Team Canada's coaching staff love him and Cliff Pu

- classic321



Coaches love the poo Chapoo CliffPoo
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Aug 2 @ 7:03 PM ET
Think of how much better the NHL would be(and how much more money they would make) if they invested into hockey leagues for 12 and under to make it cheaper for kids to play. Better players = better product = more money.
- Retinalz

A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 2 @ 7:07 PM ET
Think of how much better the NHL would be(and how much more money they would make) if they invested into hockey leagues for 12 and under to make it cheaper for kids to play. Better players = better product = more money.
- Retinalz

Think how much better the NHL would be if they played 12 month of the year.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 2 @ 7:19 PM ET
Or Brian Doumulin. 4.1

Clearly can see why JB isn't up for trading Tanev.

- manvanfan

Dumo has proven to be one of the better young shut-downs in the league.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 2 @ 7:21 PM ET

D-men that make it to FA are there for a reason, if they are any good their teams would have then signed long term.

- A_SteamingLombardi


This is pretty narrow and insufficient. The de Haan scenario for example: they have no more cap to pay. It's a lot more complex than you're making it out to be. De haan is coming off of his best year, doubling down on himself.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 2 @ 7:23 PM ET
Coaches love the poo Chapoo CliffPoo
- VANTEL

they don't mind Foo's either, apparently Spencer is going on the first line in Calgary. Not a bad late pool pick!
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 2 @ 7:28 PM ET
This is pretty narrow and insufficient. The de Haan scenario for example: they have no more cap to pay. It's a lot more complex than you're making it out to be. De haan is coming off of his best year, doubling down on himself.
- neem55

de Hann isn't a free agent.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 2 @ 7:33 PM ET
de Hann isn't a free agent.
- A_SteamingLombardi

He just signed today. will be UFA next year because they couldn't pay him more.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 2 @ 7:42 PM ET
He just signed today. will be UFA next year because they couldn't pay him more.
- neem55

So let's see if they sign him next year or if they trade him away, they are not going to let him go to UFA and walk unless he's a bust, that's my point.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 2 @ 7:52 PM ET
So let's see if they sign him next year or if they trade him away, they are not going to let him go to UFA and walk unless he's a bust, that's my point.
- A_SteamingLombardi

He's already proven he isn't one they just couldn't afford to pay him, hence them wanting to avoid arbitration. Which is my point: it's not quite as simple as you mentioned.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 2 @ 7:59 PM ET
He's already proven he isn't one they just couldn't afford to pay him, hence them wanting to avoid arbitration. Which is my point: it's not quite as simple as you mentioned.
- neem55

If he's proven himself then they will make room for him or get an asset for him. It's a shame they signed Boychuk as a FA and gave him 6 per and a NMC, that's some great management right there.

Not to mention Ladd for 5.5 for 6 yrs and a NMC.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 2 @ 8:06 PM ET
If he's proven himself then they will make room for him or get an asset for him. It's a shame they signed Boychuk as a FA and gave him 6 per and a NMC, that's some great management right there.

Not to mention Ladd for 5.5 for 6 yrs and a NMC.

- A_SteamingLombardi


Totally mismanaged on Snow's part, he'll likely lose out as de haan stands to make much more on the open market. Snow gave away his leverage for a one-year contract. I agree ladd and Boychuk were bad contracts to older players. Classic poor Gm moves. now he'll lose some good young pieces as those two are unmovable IMO.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 2 @ 8:41 PM ET
Totally mismanaged on Snow's part, he'll likely lose out as de haan stands to make much more on the open market. Snow gave away his leverage for a one-year contract. I agree ladd and Boychuk were bad contracts to older players. Classic poor Gm moves. now he'll lose some good young pieces as those two are unmovable IMO.
- neem55

Yup, those two signings might cost them de Hann and JT.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Aug 2 @ 8:47 PM ET
NHL narrows it focus on CHL so they get a better return on investment. If there are 540,000-570,000 kids registered to play in Canada and only 700ish play in the NHL each season they would be spending a lot on kids they will never see (last season Canadians made up less than 50% of league). So instead they pay the CHL which cuts its risk by 500,000 players to generate its product with more predictability

I dont agree with how expensive hockey has become, but I dont blame the NHL for not dumping millions into kids that will unlikely provide a return on investment

- WhiteLie

Of the 700 players only 300 or so are really any good, the other 400 are there because nothing better is available. If there were more kids playing, there would be closer to 700 good players, the AHL would have better talent and both leagues would make more money.
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