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Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Aug 5 @ 6:44 AM ET
Victor Arvidsson?

I left watching the USA-FIN game and USA was handling them. Well I come back and going into the 3rd Fins are up. 3-2.

Someone tell Vantel that his boy Tkachuk is growing on me. If he keeps playing this way. Could be a real nice consolation prize at 3OA for someone in 2018 draft

- manvanfan



My early projection was Dahlin Svechnikov Tkachuk but can change.
Keen eye on Merkley also.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Aug 5 @ 6:49 AM ET
If you could bring back one former player in their prime right now, who would it be? Mattias Ohlund for me.
- manvanfan


Bure hands down & opens up winger trades or packages.
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Aug 5 @ 8:54 AM ET
Unfortunately 3 of top 6 roster spots get taken up by old Swedes. They need to wait till they are gone before they can play with players with an upside offensively
- VANTEL

Realistically, or should I say, in my mind, the Canucks only started rebuilding thru the tanking or purposely finishing low in the standings two years ago and kids like Boeser need time to get their feet wet in the big leagues. Having the Sedins (as much as I'd like to see them gone) for one more year is not the worst thing in the world.

Ya their style of play is nauseating but they'll allow the team to build through the draft for another year and let the small number of good kids they have develop for one more year.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Aug 5 @ 10:05 AM ET
Personally, I'd keep picking BPA natural centers 1st round and D later. You can always convert a C to a winger or trade them for other parts. I'd horde any and all D and only part with one reluctantly. You need 10 NHL D if you want to win a Cup and the idea should always be "Next Man Up". I love Horvat, but if we can get a C that's as skilled as, or better than EP, then I'd be open to trading Horvat and try and get as much as possible for him, because as people keep trying to say, he'd never accept being a 3rd line center on a championship team.
- DariusKnight


Pettersson looks like he'll be a great prospect, but I agree with continuing to stock the shelves with high end centers.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Aug 5 @ 11:23 AM ET
The same people kicking America's ass in their longest war ever... the worlds only super power. So I guess that is neither here nor there...

When was the last time America won a war anyways? Being the only super power,,, you think that would mean something?

- boonerbuck

There isn't going to be another World War of a sorts. Trump and that jackass from North Korea don't have the stones to pull any sort of trigger, plus Russia is in no position to go to war. Most of the crap going on now is just posturing with no end results.

Plus…Stephen Hawking said that the issues we need to be worrying about in the next 75-125 years are Artificial Intelligence and contact with an off-world species…which he claims will not be a friendly one.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Aug 5 @ 11:51 AM ET
UFA Center options next summer, should the Sedins retire.


John Tavares – New York Islanders – Center:

Kyle Turris – Ottawa Senators – Center

Mikael Backlund – Calgary Flames – Center

Paul Stastny – St. Louis Blues – Center

Bryan Little – Winnipeg Jets – Center

Joe Thornton – San Jose Sharks – Center

Josh Bailey – New York Islanders – Center

Tyler Bozak – Toronto Maple Leafs – Center
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Aug 5 @ 11:59 AM ET
There isn't going to be another World War of a sorts. Trump and that jackass from North Korea don't have the stones to pull any sort of trigger, plus Russia is in no position to go to war. Most of the crap going on now is just posturing with no end results.

Plus…Stephen Hawking said that the issues we need to be worrying about in the next 75-125 years are Artificial Intelligence and contact with an off-world species…which he claims will not be a friendly one.

- LordHumungous


At the moment, Syria and Russia have 100% legal right to shoot down any jet NATO or Israel sends into Syrian territory without Assad's permission. Also, that recent missile attack Trump did on Syria... Russia had the 100% legal right to sink the ships sending in the missiles(which are shadowed by Russian subs). The only reason it hasn't turned into an all out war is because Russia has not taken the bait and kept focused on ridding Syria of ISIS and the American proxies that were unleashed on the nation. The official opposition groups for the most part have reconciled and are fighting Al-Nusra, HTS and ISIS instead.

Now if Russia did retaliate by sinking a missile cruiser or flip the switch on the S-400 and start dropping jets out of the sky... all simulated models have the tit for tat escalating to all out war in Europe and the middle east in less than a week. The simulations conclude at the very least, small and short range nukes... and if Hillary won the election, we would have reached this point already most likely because she was the one who said she would apply a no fly zone in her campaign... shadowing her most compatible colleague and political ally John McCain... which we've seen in the past means knocking out air defences, air fields, downing planes, and basically bombing the poop out of everything.... Russia would respond for sure if they were the target of any of this and you cannot have a no fly zone without including Russians in Syria.

The idea of a WWI or WWII scenario is unlikely... but we are in a new age. World wars will be fought differently...

Edit: No world war would come of attacking NKorea. They don't have allies... just a couple of reluctant business partners...
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Aug 5 @ 12:01 PM ET
UFA Center options next summer, should the Sedins retire.


John Tavares – New York Islanders – Center: Will resign in NYI

Kyle Turris – Ottawa Senators – Center: If he wasn't from BC would we care?

Mikael Backlund – Calgary Flames – Center: We already have Baertschi and Granlund, do we really need more of the Flames scraps?

Paul Stastny – St. Louis Blues – Center: We're already trying to get younger

Bryan Little – Winnipeg Jets – Center: Might be a decent 3rd/4th line center

Joe Thornton – San Jose Sharks – Center: We're trying to get rid of a 38 year old center in Henrik, if we're going after Thornton, we might as well just keep Henrik

Josh Bailey – New York Islanders – Center: Might be something to look at as a stopgap

Tyler Bozak – Toronto Maple Leafs – Center: We'd never live it down in the MSM if we signed him after all the rumors of Luongo to TML for Bozak, Kadri and a 1st

- VanHockeyGuy

LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Aug 5 @ 12:10 PM ET
Pettersson looks like he'll be a great prospect, but I agree with continuing to stock the shelves with high end centers.
- VanHockeyGuy

IMO the team needs three more drafts like the one they just had to truly stock the cupboards and start to turn the corner. They can hang around and be a middling team with some good ufa signing but to build a Championship team from within they need to draft well for a few (3) more years.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Aug 5 @ 12:14 PM ET
IMO the team needs three more drafts like the one they just had to truly stock the cupboards and start to turn the corner. They can hang around and be a middling team with some good ufa signing but to build a Championship team from within they need to draft well for a few (3) more years.
- LeftCoaster


Yep, there's no quick fix at this point. Don't resign the twins and sign one of Turris or Bailey next summer.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Aug 5 @ 12:23 PM ET
Last seasons stats, these two are close. Bailey would be good for BB.

Bailey 82GP 13G 43A 56PTS

Turris 78GP 27G 28A 55PTS
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Aug 5 @ 12:30 PM ET
At the moment, Syria and Russia have 100% legal right to shoot down any jet NATO or Israel sends into Syrian territory without Assad's permission. Also, that recent missile attack Trump did on Syria... Russia had the 100% legal right to sink the ships sending in the missiles(which are shadowed by Russian subs). The only reason it hasn't turned into an all out war is because Russia has not taken the bait and kept focused on ridding Syria of ISIS and the American proxies that were unleashed on the nation. The official opposition groups for the most part have reconciled and are fighting Al-Nusra, HTS and ISIS instead.

Now if Russia did retaliate by sinking a missile cruiser or flip the switch on the S-400 and start dropping jets out of the sky... all simulated models have the tit for tat escalating to all out war in Europe and the middle east in less than a week. The simulations conclude at the very least, small and short range nukes... and if Hillary won the election, we would have reached this point already most likely because she was the one who said she would apply a no fly zone in her campaign... shadowing her most compatible colleague and political ally John McCain... which we've seen in the past means knocking out air defences, air fields, downing planes, and basically bombing the poop out of everything.... Russia would respond for sure if they were the target of any of this and you cannot have a no fly zone without including Russians in Syria.

The idea of a WWI or WWII scenario is unlikely... but we are in a new age. World wars will be fought differently...

Edit: No world war would come of attacking NKorea. They don't have allies... just a couple of reluctant business partners...

- boonerbuck

yes thats very true. Gone for sure are things like ground troops blindly running into machine gun fire. It will be more battleship and bomb campaigns. Most will be backroom wrangling among-st politicians

thankfully no more bush's in usa whom had piles of shares in defense manufacturing
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Aug 5 @ 12:36 PM ET
yes thats very true. Gone for sure are things like ground troops blindly running into machine gun fire. It will be more battleship and bomb campaigns. Most will be backroom wrangling among-st politicians

thankfully no more bush's in usa whom had piles of shares in defense manufacturing

- SMBDragon


Hillary Clinton was the industrial complex shill... but Trump still wants to rebuild the military... that serves the same people. Things don't change...
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Aug 5 @ 12:42 PM ET
Did anyone read Capt EO's post?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 5 @ 12:55 PM ET
Realistically, or should I say, in my mind, the Canucks only started rebuilding thru the tanking or purposely finishing low in the standings two years ago and kids like Boeser need time to get their feet wet in the big leagues. Having the Sedins (as much as I'd like to see them gone) for one more year is not the worst thing in the world.

Ya their style of play is nauseating but they'll allow the team to build through the draft for another year and let the small number of good kids they have develop for one more year.

- LeftCoaster



Teams like Oilers Leafs and Flames that held onto Ferrence Ryan Smythe Dion Kessels and Iginla did not make any progress until they let them go and let younger players take over . The real reason those three teams advanced is because of McDavid Matthews Marner Gadreau Monahan and Draisitl.

We don't have those players in our fold so it will take a while.

Teams like Flyers Canes Devils Yotes Panthers and on and on insulate their team with older player and look where they are.

Keeping the Sedins to insulate this team is lazy and a fantasy . We are going to be bad with them or without them. I would much rather watch Evander Kane play first line than Daniel Sedin . That is my take .
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Aug 5 @ 1:04 PM ET
Teams like Oilers Leafs and Flames that held onto Ferrence Ryan Smythe Dion Kessels and Iginla did not make any progress until they let them go and let younger players take over . The real reason those three teams advanced is because of McDavid Matthews Marner Gadreau Monahan and Draisitl.

We don't have those players in our fold so it will take a while.

Teams like Flyers Canes Devils Yotes Panthers and on and on insulate their team with older player and look where they are.

Keeping the Sedins to insulate this team is lazy and a fantasy . We are going to be bad with them or without them. I would much rather watch Evander Kane play first line than Daniel Sedin . That is my take .

- VANTEL

I don't think it's lazy I just think they're signed for one more year so you deal with it. Now re-signing them, that's a different story.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 5 @ 1:06 PM ET
It has been said on here many many times last year "We are three years away from being three years away" We are not looking for a one year stop gap . We are looking for a six year plan. We cn have as much as 20-25 mil in cap space next year to start fixing the problem. My thoughts are not to put your fingers in a leaking dyke but rather build a new dyke . The sooner the better.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 5 @ 1:07 PM ET
I don't think it's lazy I just think they're signed for one more year so you deal with it. Now re-signing them, that's a different story.
- LeftCoaster



People can throw anything they want at me to try to convince me, but it is so wrong.

Time for a new style and a new roster. Not in three years but now
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Aug 5 @ 1:08 PM ET
I don't think it's lazy I just think they're signed for one more year so you deal with it. Now re-signing them, that's a different story.
- LeftCoaster


Bailey had almost as many points as Johansen, he's a decade younger than Hank. Makes sense.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 5 @ 1:11 PM ET
Bailey had almost as many points as Johansen, he's a decade younger than Hank. Makes sense.
- VanHockeyGuy



Agreed .

Bringing back the Sedins is like having a forty two year old living still with his mother. There is a whole different world out there. Take a look
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Aug 5 @ 1:12 PM ET
It has been said on here many many times last year "We are three years away from being three years away" We are not looking for a one year stop gap . We are looking for a six year plan. We cn have as much as 20-25 mil in cap space next year to start fixing the problem. My thoughts are not to put your fingers in a leaking dyke but rather build a new dyke . The sooner the better.
- VANTEL

I don't think you can fix problems with money until you're in a position for that to make sense. The ufa's they signed this year are nothing more than stop gap players while they continue to build thru the draft. They'll make the team slightly more entertaining, sure, but that's about it.
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Aug 5 @ 1:14 PM ET
People can throw anything they want at me to try to convince me, but it is so wrong.

Time for a new style and a new roster. Not in three years but now

- VANTEL

That takes time, it's coming, just not yet. If Benning re-signs them I'm seriously cheering for another team
LeftCoaster
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Island City, BC
Joined: 07.03.2009

Aug 5 @ 1:15 PM ET
Bailey had almost as many points as Johansen, he's a decade younger than Hank. Makes sense.
- VanHockeyGuy

You're talking about next season right? Not the upcoming one.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
I don't think you can fix problems with money until you're in a position for that to make sense. The ufa's they signed this year are nothing more than stop gap players while they continue to build thru the draft. They'll make the team slightly more entertaining, sure, but that's about it.
- LeftCoaster


Ding ding ding give the man a prize

The absolute worst thing about the Sedins is there are TWO of them . Del Zotto or Gagner or even Sutter and Tanev can be traded. Sedins can not . You will tie up TWO top 6 spots with players with a certain style and won't pass to line mates and can't be traded.

Why would you do that ?
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Aug 5 @ 1:18 PM ET
You're talking about next season right? Not the upcoming one.
- LeftCoaster


Yes when Bailey's a UFA. With JT also needing to be signed NY may be in trouble.
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