I think Sam ends up being a 58-63 point guy the rest of his career

Some seasons he might get the 65-68 points other years 52-55 points

But with how low scoring is these days I would be happy with that.
- Stripes77

I'd be good with that production.

I'd also move him for a top 2 D if I knew that would be his production.

If he hits say 53 points, and looks like the same player we've seen, I'd explore what we can get as far as a top 2 D

I'd be good with that production.

I'd also move him for a top 2 D if I knew that would be his production.

If he hits say 53 points, and looks like the same player we've seen, I'd explore what we can get as far as a top 2 D
- sbroads24

He biggest weakness is his speed we all know that.

For all we know Housley has a plan for him and he can put up 65 points this season and we can all go back to hating Lehner and Evander Kane

He biggest weakness is his speed we all know that.

For all we know Housley has a plan for him and he can put up 65 points this season and we can all go back to hating Lehner and Evander Kane
- Stripes77

I really don't dislike Reinhart.

As a player, he's a fine top 6 guy. He just has high expecations. If he wqas picked in the 2nd round people would be thrilled with him

Funniest thing I've ever read. London Fletcher is a HOFer. Hahahahahahaha. Sorry buddy, I don't man to pick on ya, but that's literally hilarious!!!! Lol
- Dukey3030

And that's my point.

As a middle line backer he had 23 INTs and 39 sacks, which, for a MLB is a good number, 19 forced fumbles, he had 5.4 solo tackles per game, 7.9 total per game and 127 total tackles per year average over the course of his career.

Brian Urlacher, a lead pipe lock for the HOF: 22 INTs, 41.5 sacks, 11 forced fumbles, 5.7 solo tackles per game, 7.4 total per game, and 104 total tackles per year.

Urlacher had higher per game INTs and sacks, but Fletcher bested him in tackling, the primary job of an MLB.

Urlacher had a few big injuries. Fletcher never missed a game, literally 0 games missed. And other than his rookie year he started every game but 1 and that was in his 3rd year. His comps on pro football reference include 3 HOFs: Harry Carson, Nick Buoniconti, and Ted Hendricks. Also including a few other extremely good players in Clay Matthews Sr, Cornelius Bennett, Jack Reynolds, Bill Romanowski and James Farrior.

I think he gets in. It might take a while, but he ultimately deserves to be there.

I don't even know who these are and I'm not clicking on those links

Seguin was a 67 point player at 19
Eichel was a PPG player at 20
Galchenyuk had 30 goals at 21
Duchene had 67 points at 20 years old
Evander Kane who was 4th the year Duchene was drafted had 30 at 20 years old

No, it shouldn't take 6 years to breakout
- sbroads24

Seriously, you can't read? The names are in the links. You don't have to click them.

I really don't dislike Reinhart.

As a player, he's a fine top 6 guy. He just has high expecations. If he wqas picked in the 2nd round people would be thrilled with him
- sbroads24

I still think he has the tools to be a core piece on this team long term.

And that's my point.

As a middle line backer he had 23 INTs and 39 sacks, which, for a MLB is a good number, 19 forced fumbles, he had 5.4 solo tackles per game, 7.9 total per game and 127 total tackles per year average over the course of his career.

Brian Urlacher, a lead pipe lock for the HOF: 22 INTs, 41.5 sacks, 11 forced fumbles, 5.7 solo tackles per game, 7.4 total per game, and 104 total tackles per year.

Urlacher had higher per game INTs and sacks, but Fletcher bested him in tackling, the primary job of an MLB.

Urlacher had a few big injuries. Fletcher never missed a game, literally 0 games missed. And other than his rookie year he started every game but 1 and that was in his 3rd year. His comps on pro football reference include 3 HOFs: Harry Carson, Nick Buoniconti, and Ted Hendricks. Also including a few other extremely good players in Clay Matthews Sr, Cornelius Bennett, Jack Reynolds, Bill Romanowski and James Farrior.

I think he gets in. It might take a while, but he ultimately deserves to be there.
- Wetbandit1

Yup

Fletcher lead the league in tackles one year (166)
Was in the top 5 I believe 3 other years (Once with the Bills)

He is going to get in just not on the first ballot.

Not to mention he was an undrafted, undersized LB but like you mentioned never missed a game. He has the 6th longest consecutive game streak of all time.

How someone can laugh and think him getting in the Hall of Fame is funny is beyond me, clearly clueless about how good he really was just because he played on the Bills (mind you one of those years the Bills had one of the best defenses in the league just no offense at all)

I still think he has the tools to be a core piece on this team long term.
- Stripes77

Core piece, yes.

Impact player, no.

He's more Chris Kunitz (not type of player, but importance to team) than Kessel or Malkin

I'm not shifting anything. Peak and breakout are totally different things.

Seguin going from 22 points as an 18 year old to 67 as a 19/20 year old. That's breaking out. His "peak" is the 80-90 point player he's been lately
- sbroads24

You definitely shifted it. Not everyone starts at 18, you keep saying 6 years, you're taking my wrong initial guess of 24-26 and keep repeating that like I haven't alreadu shown that the Sedins, Patrick Stefan, Jordan Staal, JVR, Hedman, RNH, Yak, Ryan Murray, Bobby Ryan, Heatley, Spezza, and Bouwmeester were all at least 22 before they had a "good" season, if they had one at all in the case of Stefan and Yak and jury is still out on RNH, and Murray who aren't even 24 yet or are just 24 now. The majority were top 2 picks, unless a goalie was taken then it was still top 2 skaters. and no lower than 3rd. For an average of 23.2 years old before first "good" season among those top 2 that took a little longer to develop, but are still really good players.

You definitely shifted it. Not everyone starts at 18, you keep saying 6 years, you're taking my wrong initial guess of 24-26 and keep repeating that like I haven't alreadu shown that the Sedins, Patrick Stefan, Jordan Staal, JVR, Hedman, RNH, Yak, Ryan Murray, Bobby Ryan, Heatley, Spezza, and Bouwmeester were all at least 22 before they had a "good" season, if they had one at all in the case of Stefan and Yak and jury is still out on RNH, and Murray who aren't even 24 yet or are just 24 now. The majority were top 2 picks, unless a goalie was taken then it was still top 2 skaters. and no lower than 3rd. For an average of 23.2 years old before first "good" season among those top 2 that took a little longer to develop, but are still really good players.
- Wetbandit1

Jordan Staal? He scored 29 goals as an 18 YO rookie.

I mean, seriously, can you read?

Can u stop being obnoxious?
Maybe have a take instead of just acting like a brat
- jdfitz77

Shots fired.

He's absolutely right. You act like a 15 year old.

Both Sedins get in IMO

If Reinhart progresses like they did then I would be ecstatic
- Stripes77

29 and 30 is how long it took for Henrik and Daniel to hit 100 points, respectively. Obviously that's a huge anomaly and you can't count on it, but saying it's over after 2 years just doesn't hold water.

Jordan Staal? He scored 29 goals as an 18 YO rookie.

I mean, seriously, can you read?
- sbroads24

According to you goals don't mean poop.

Also, the next year he had 12.

Edit: He shot 22% in his rookie year. I'd say that's pretty anomalous.

Double edit: Sam is just behind .23 to .24 in goals per game to Jordan Staal.

Our best case scenario is Reinhrt ends up like one of the Sedin twins. I don't care which, but I couldn't ask for more.

At the very least, I expect 60+ points every season from here on out. He should 100% be a 20/40 guy every year, give or take.

We don't need him to play defensively, just like we don't need Eichel to. We have ROR for that.

According to you goals don't mean poop.

Also, the next year he had 12.

Edit: He shot 22% in his rookie year. I'd say that's pretty anomalous.
- Wetbandit1

What does this mean?

He's been pretty much the same since his first year, substitute some goals for some assists. He's been a 40-50 point guy for most of his career.

Most top picks don't go back to juniors. So saying 6-8 years is incorrect for top draft choices.

Most top picks are in their prime at 20-22 years old.

What does this mean?

He's been pretty much the same since his first year, substitute some goals for some assists. He's been a 40-50 point guy for most of his career.

Most top picks don't go back to juniors. So saying 6-8 years is incorrect for top draft choices.

Most top picks are in their prime at 20-22 years old.
- sbroads24

Holy poop, again with this?

I know you read this:

You definitely shifted it. Not everyone starts at 18, you keep saying 6 years, you're taking my wrong initial guess of 24-26 and keep repeating that like I haven't alreadu shown that the Sedins, Patrick Stefan, Jordan Staal, JVR, Hedman, RNH, Yak, Ryan Murray, Bobby Ryan, Heatley, Spezza, and Bouwmeester were all at least 22 before they had a "good" season, if they had one at all in the case of Stefan and Yak and jury is still out on RNH, and Murray who aren't even 24 yet or are just 24 now. The majority were top 2 picks, unless a goalie was taken then it was still top 2 skaters. and no lower than 3rd. For an average of 23.2 years old before first "good" season among those top 2 that took a little longer to develop, but are still really good players.
- Wetbandit1

You (frank)ing quoted it. Maybe up your comprehension a bit?

And for like the 400th time. Sam won't even be 22 when the season starts.

Edit: To answer your first question, it's anomalous for someone to shoot 22% in their rookie year, so 29 goals isn't crazy, if he shot 11% and scored 29 goals, A) you'd be on to something, and B)I wouldn't have included him as he wouldn't fit the criteria of guys who take a bit longer to develop.

Holy poop, again with this?

I know you read this:

You (frank)ing quoted it. Maybe up your comprehension a bit?
- Wetbandit1

"It's been done to death, but players don't have their breakout seasons until they're 24-26. Reinhart will be 22 when the season starts, or close enough. And it's not like he's poopting the bed or anything. Like Yakupov. Hell the 5th overall from his draft class doesn't even have a single NHL game played yet. "

Maybe you should post what you mean the first time, and you won't have to retract your statement and pretend the other person doesnt get it.

24-26 would mean 6-8 years from when they are drafted.

"It's been done to death, but players don't have their breakout seasons until they're 24-26. Reinhart will be 22 when the season starts, or close enough. And it's not like he's poopting the bed or anything. Like Yakupov. Hell the 5th overall from his draft class doesn't even have a single NHL game played yet. "

Maybe you should post what you mean the first time, and you won't have to retract your statement and pretend the other person doesnt get it.

24-26 would mean 6-8 years from when they are drafted.
- sbroads24

Wow. Just wow. This will be the third time I've said that my inititial 24-26 guess, the one you've quoted, was wrong.

How many more times do you need it? I was wrong when I guessed 24-26. I was wrong when I guessed 24-26. There's another 2, let's get passed it. And focus on the fact that just because you don't blow up in your first 2 years doesn't mean you won't ever.

Theyre fruity IMO

Dudes in tight shorts all oiled up and flexing.
- Der Kaiser

What's wrong with tight shorts ?

Wow. Just wow. This will be the third time I've said that my inititial 24-26 guess, the one you've quoted, was wrong.

How many more times do you need it? I was wrong when I guessed 24-26. I was wrong when I guessed 24-26. There's another 2, let's get passed it. And focus on the fact that just because you don't blow up in your first 2 years doesn't mean you won't ever.
- Wetbandit1

Sam Reinhart will never "blow up".

He is who he is. He will more than likely produce some more. But he aint turning into a top 5 scorer like the Sedin's were.

He's been given the ice time, linemates and PP time. He has the brains, he knows where to be.

He's not getting faster, and he's not turning into a dangler or sniper over night.

He's going to be that consistent 45-55 point guy (unless scoring goes up) who's solid at both ends.

If anything, it's the defense that will come along


(This is all my opinion, of course)

Shots fired.

He's absolutely right. You act like a 15 year old.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Look at what all the "having a hockey take" means in August....just re-read every blog since April to get your fill of inane takes, endless rehashing of old nonsense, and adults acting like 15 year-olds.

I come here this time of year for the snappy put-downs, culinary adventures, the occasional boob pics, fashion advice and Gerbe's constant self-incrimination.


Wake me up in October.

I saw you waking up at 3am going to work on snapchat
- chilliard77

Lol yep almost went asleep at the red light lol

Look at what all the "having a hockey take" means in August....just re-read every blog since April to get your fill of inane takes, endless rehashing of old nonsense, and adults acting like 15 year-olds.

I come here this time of year for the snappy put-downs, culinary adventures, the occasional boob pics, fashion advice and Gerbe's constant self-incrimination.


Wake me up in October.
- LandlordTom

I made the news

Do we still stink ?

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/s/sedinhe01.html 25
https://www.hockey-refere.../players/s/sedinda01.html 25
https://www.hockey-refere.../players/s/stefapa01.html lol
https://www.hockey-refere.../players/s/staaljo01.html 23
https://www.hockey-refere.../players/v/vanrija01.html 24
https://www.hockey-refere.../players/h/hedmavi01.html 23
https://www.hockey-refere.../players/n/nugenry01.html ?
https://www.hockey-refere.../players/y/yakupna01.html ?
https://www.hockey-refere.../players/m/murrary01.html ?
https://www.hockey-refere...m/players/r/ryanbo01.html 23 and hasn't come close since

Sorry, there's 1 #3 in there.

It's obvious huh?

Sam isn't even 22 yet.

Jesus Christ

I'm not saying he definitely will, hell, or even probably, but saying it's obvious he won't is asinine.

edit: A few more since I added the Sedins I might as well add the interim years.

https://www.hockey-refere.../players/h/heatlda01.html 22
https://www.hockey-refere.../players/s/spezzja01.html 22
https://www.hockey-refere.../players/b/bouwmja01.html 22

So it happens way more than you'd like to admit.
- Wetbandit1

But analytics!!!!