he is exactly the type of player needed in front of the net for a 3rd line, second team pp when he matures


it's a case of needing a play with 2 finishers on each line

we need more finishers


nylander (tweener)- eichel (finisher)- okposo (finisher)
Kane (finisher) - Ror (tweener) - reinhart (play maker)


team looks a lot better in 2 years

right now it needs a Pacioretty or Neal to make this top 9 better


and they have the cap space for 2 more years to do a move like this
- homiedclown

She's a finisher

PS Suck it beady

Pitt makes it work with Kessel on line3
Why can't we with Sam?
- jdfitz77

I am not saying I am against rolling 3 lines at all

What I am saying is you're not going to get that kind of production from the 3rd line

Especially with having players like Eichel and the minute eating ROR

She's a finisher

PS Suck it beady
- Der Kaiser

oh my

he is exactly the type of player needed in front of the net for a 3rd line, second team pp when he matures

it's a case of needing a play with 2 finishers on each line

we need more finishers

nylander (tweener)- eichel (finisher)- okposo (finisher)
Kane (finisher) - Ror (tweener) - reinhart (play maker)

team looks a lot better in 2 years

right now it needs a Pacioretty or Neal to make this top 9 better

and they have the cap space for 2 more years to do a move like this
- homiedclown

Yeah...
pretty much agree with all this
I think we were both proponents of bringing in a Nash/Neal type

Question is
do we do that for the short term, knowing it makes us better now?
But sets the development timeline for some of the kids back a little...

The only way Bailey will develop into an NHL goal scorer,
is by playing in the NHL
Is it better to ease in guys like Baptiste, Nylander, etc...
starting them on the 3rd line & working their way up once they're comfortable
or wait another year or 2 (bc we have Neal or whoever),
but then expect them to produce with Jack right away

I see arguments for both ways

And it's different for each player
While Nylander may be able to jump right on Jack's wing,
maybe Baptiste or Mittelstadt would need time on a 3rd line to start?

It's obviously tough to say

I'd probably do it on a case by case basis,
and adjust the overall philosophy per player
Instead of just having it set in stone


That said...
Vanek &/or Jagr could potentially be had for free
I'm ok if we sign them & keep all the kids in Rochester
But I'm also ok if we don't,
& see which 1or2 win roster spots in camp

I am not saying I am against rolling 3 lines at all

What I am saying is you're not going to get that kind of production from the 3rd line

Especially with having players like Eichel and the minute eating ROR
- Stripes77

This.

Also, Kessel is a much better scorer than Sam right now.

I am not saying I am against rolling 3 lines at all

What I am saying is you're not going to get that kind of production from the 3rd line

Especially with having players like Eichel and the minute eating ROR
- Stripes77

Again...
play around with the number how u want

I'm just saying...
something like Nylander-Sam-Bailey
Looks a lot better to me than
Girgs-Larsson-Pominville

15-16 Pens 3rd line
Hagelin, 27pts in 37games, works out to 60pts full season
Bonino, 29pts in 63games, equals 38pts in 82games
Kessel, played a full season with 63pts

So yeah,
60pts-38pts-63pts

Something along those lines could happen with a
Mittelstadt-Reinhart-Baptiste unit


*i keep switching up the names to point out all the versatility & options we have coming

Again...
play around with the number how u want

I'm just saying...
something like Nylander-Sam-Bailey
Looks a lot better to me than
Girgs-Larsson-Pominville

15-16 Pens 3rd line
Hagelin, 27pts in 37games, works out to 60pts full season
Bonino, 29pts in 63games, equals 38pts in 82games
Kessel, played a full season with 63pts

So yeah,
60pts-38pts-63pts

Something along those lines could happen with a
Mittelstadt-Reinhart-Baptiste unit


*i keep switching up the names to point out all the versatility & options we have coming
- jdfitz77

So when you were saying there is a lot of question marks about the Bills yesterday I am not allowed to question this?

You're banking on an awful lot going right for the third line to be that productive, I mean if the third line is producing like that this team should score close to 280 goals then...

There are a lot of options but it all depends on players developing.

One of Bailey/Baptiste is not going to work out
One of Pu/Fasching is not going to work out
Middlestat can be really good or he can be that guy that can't put it all together

This.

Also, Kessel is a much better scorer than Sam right now.
- sbroads24

He is
But you're saying Sam's points won't go up based on what Bonino has done
Sam gets the PP1 opportunity that Bonino doesn't though
So while he may not score like Kessel,
Bc he will have the same opportunity of icetime...
that's why Sam could be in a position at 3C where his scoring could go up,
whereas Bonino's is limited bc he doesn't get PP1 time

And having Kessel on line 3 doesn't affect Crosby or Malkin's icetime
So why would having Sam on line 3 affect O'Reilly or Jack's icetime?

He is
But you're saying Sam's points won't go up based on what Bonino has done
Sam gets the PP1 opportunity that Bonino doesn't though
So while he may not score like Kessel,
Bc he will have the same opportunity of icetime...
that's why Sam could be in a position at 3C where his scoring could go up,
whereas Bonino's is limited bc he doesn't get PP1 time

And having Kessel on line 3 doesn't affect Crosby or Malkin's icetime
So why would having Sam on line 3 affect O'Reilly or Jack's icetime?
- jdfitz77

If you put Sam as the 3C he is not going to be a 50 point player simply because he won't be seeing a ton of ice time (even less ice time with Eichel)

He will get PP time but still I don't see any 3C on this team getting 50 points.

hot take: i don't think bailey or baptiste are NHLers on a good team. ever

So when you were saying there is a lot of question marks about the Bills yesterday I am not allowed to question this?

You're banking on an awful lot going right for the third line to be that productive, I mean if the third line is producing like that this team should score close to 280 goals then...
- Stripes77

I just want the skunk and pu on the same line

nylander-eichel-okposo
middlestat-ror-baptiste
asplund-reinhart-pu
e-rod-davidson-bailey


f@ck it, roll 4 lines

He is
But you're saying Sam's points won't go up based on what Bonino has done
Sam gets the PP1 opportunity that Bonino doesn't though
So while he may not score like Kessel,
Bc he will have the same opportunity of icetime...
that's why Sam could be in a position at 3C where his scoring could go up,
whereas Bonino's is limited bc he doesn't get PP1 time

And having Kessel on line 3 doesn't affect Crosby or Malkin's icetime
So why would having Sam on line 3 affect O'Reilly or Jack's icetime?
- jdfitz77

Crosby and Malkin are more important to the Pens than Kessel
Eichel and at the moment ROR are more important to the Sabres than Reinhart,e specially if you move him to center

I just want the skunk and pu on the same line

nylander-eichel-okposo
middlestat-ror-baptiste
asplund-reinhart-pu
e-rod-davidson-bailey


f@ck it, roll 4 lines
- homiedclown

Skunk and Pu together is a dream come true!

Again I am not against rolling the lines at all, I am just trying to curb point expectations

If you put Sam as the 3C he is not going to be a 50 point player simply because he won't be seeing a ton of ice time (even less ice time with Eichel)

He will get PP time but still I don't see any 3C on this team getting 50 points.
- Stripes77

in 2007

vanek had 84 points as 3rd line winger and roy had 63 points as 3rd line center


next topic please

hot take: i don't think bailey or baptiste are NHLers on a good team. ever
- trikkdaniels

in 2007

vanek had 84 points as 3rd line winger and roy had 63 points as 3rd line center


next topic please
- homiedclown

Scoring was also much higher league wide then.


Not saying that a 3rd line couldn't do that now, but it would be much more difficult.

Skunk and Pu together is a dream come true!

Again I am not against rolling the lines at all, I am just trying to curb point expectations
- Stripes77

agreed


but they could be one of the higher scoring teams in the nhl if playing up tempo and rolling the lines

in 2007

vanek had 84 points as 3rd line winger and roy had 63 points as 3rd line center


next topic please
- homiedclown

Homie you can post this all you want but something that happened a decade ago where a player on a teams 3rd line (all year long) was in the top 20 in scoring is the exception not the rule.

The NHL has changed so much, it's just not going to happen again

consider me on the skunk / pu line bandwagon though

agreed


but they could be one of the higher scoring teams in the nhl if playing up tempo and rolling the lines
- homiedclown

Which I am all for but I am just trying to curb expectations here

Scoring was also much higher league wide then.


Not saying that a 3rd line couldn't do that now, but it would be much more difficult.
- HonkFortheGoose

agreed

however if they play an uptempo system with 3 lines, expectation should be around 50 points for reinhart on that line and 35-40 for the 2 wingers

Homie you can post this all you want but something that happened a decade ago where a player on a teams 3rd line (all year long) was in the top 20 in scoring is the exception not the rule.

The NHL has changed so much, it's just not going to happen again
- Stripes77

it will revert back when the next lockout happens


which is coming around the corner

it will revert back when the next lockout happens


which is coming around the corner
- homiedclown

I don't think so (it reverting back) the lockout is probably coming though

There is a reason the game is called like it is now, it's what the league and players want.

Those two years out of the lockout were kind of a joke when it came to penalties.

The 90's style is gone but you're not going to see that ticky tacky stuff called again like it was in 2006-2008

Middlestadt will be the second best player on the team as soon as he dons a sabres sweater *hot take*

it will revert back when the next lockout happens


which is coming around the corner
- homiedclown

The new NHL 2.0, for a season or so