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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 9 @ 1:27 AM ET
It's going to be the same this year lol

But I thought McCoy wasn't the team

- GERBE!!!75PTS




McCoy had over 1600yds
I don't even think there's an argument to be made
McCoy is fantastic
I feel like he scored about half our teams TDs last year too
(Might be exaggerating there)
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 9 @ 1:27 AM ET
1 year wonder
- homiedclown



I think he kept getting hurt
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Aug 9 @ 1:28 AM ET
It's going to be the same this year lol

But I thought McCoy wasn't the team

- GERBE!!!75PTS




If all those guys played 16 games and they did that, that would be bad. Woods missed a handful and wasn't effective in more, Watkins only played 8 games on one foot.

Try harder.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 9 @ 1:29 AM ET
Wasn't there a year when Indi has 3 WRs with over 1,000yds?
Only time ever?
I think Brandon Stokley was the 3rd WR that year & I picked him up in fantasy football

- jdfitz77

https://en.wikipedia.org/...,000-yard_receiving_trios

wow it happened 5 times

I only remembered it happening twice
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 9 @ 1:30 AM ET


If all those guys played 16 games and they did that, that would be bad. Woods missed a handful and wasn't effective in more, Watkins only played 8 games on one foot.

Try harder.

- Wetbandit1




Try harder?
Regardless of injuries...
no other Bills WR had over 200yds

McCoy really was our offense
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Next year is gonna be 05/06 all over again, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Aug 9 @ 1:31 AM ET
I think he kept getting hurt
- jdfitz77

I looked it up, u were right about Mathis. Good call. I was thinking of Michael Haynes, but turned out he wasn't that good
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 9 @ 1:33 AM ET
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_1,000-yard_receiving_trios

wow it happened 5 times

I only remembered it happening twice

- homiedclown




Not surprised that Skins trio did it
Same with the early80s Chargers (before my time)

Wouldn't have ever guessed the Atlanta one
I remember Metcalf on Cleveland as a RB...
don't remember him in Atlanta at

Kinda surprised that Houston WRs never did it
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 9 @ 1:35 AM ET
I looked it up, u were right about Mathis. Good call. I was thinking of Michael Haynes, but turned out he wasn't that good
- Hatboro_Swords



Idk if Mathis was that good though either
Thought he was more of a KR / WR3
I was thinking they had someone else too maybe?
Can't think of anyone though
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 9 @ 1:35 AM ET
Try harder?
Regardless of injuries...
no other Bills WR had over 200yds

McCoy really was our offense

- jdfitz77

holmes and streater make this team so much better depth wise


I like powell, but he probably f@cked it up

I heard they really like logan thomas, TE project



homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
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Aug 9 @ 1:36 AM ET


Kinda surprised that Houston WRs never did it

- jdfitz77

but they were so close

2 and the 3rd over 900 yards multiple times
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 9 @ 1:40 AM ET
holmes and streater make this team so much better depth wise


I like powell, but he probably f@cked it up

I heard they really like logan thomas, TE project

- homiedclown



Idk bud
They're pretty mediocre
I think Holes had a decent season like 3 or 4 years ago
Same with Streater
Neither have done squat since
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 9 @ 1:41 AM ET
but they were so close

2 and the 3rd over 900 yards multiple times

- homiedclown



It was probably having that 4th WR out there all the time that took away just enough from those other 3
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Aug 9 @ 1:42 AM ET
It's usually just so hard for young centers to be good defensively right away
That's why I'd probably put Reinhart there for now,
and see how Mittelstadt develops
Probably start him on the wing & then at some point o could think about Mittelstadt at center & move Sam back to RW

- jdfitz77


that usually is, and very well might be correct in this instance, but i am going to be a little optimistic maybe here in my thinking and i dont think its crazy or really that far off.

heres a real, actual question for you:

if he comes out and wins the hobey baker this year and the gophers are in/win the frozen four, would you then still sing the same tune?
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
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Joined: 02.11.2009

Aug 9 @ 1:50 AM ET
holmes and streater make this team so much better depth wise


I like powell, but he probably f@cked it up

I heard they really like logan thomas, TE project

- homiedclown


They will do the smart thing and cut Holmes and get the 3rd round pick
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 9 @ 2:13 AM ET
that usually is, and very well might be correct in this instance, but i am going to be a little optimistic maybe here in my thinking and i dont think its crazy or really that far off.

heres a real, actual question for you:

if he comes out and wins the hobey baker this year and the gophers are in/win the frozen four, would you then still sing the same tune?

- TheHank



Absolutely
Just look at Eichel
He still needs work defensively
He's just so dynamic offensively that it makes up for it

Thinking Mittelstadt can be that dynamic next year is crazy
And I'm not down on him at all
Just trying to be realistic
He might not even be "ready" for the NHL by next year
But if he is...
why put the extra defensive load on him at Center?
Let him play wing for a year or 2...
then let him move to Center

I don't see any benefit into rushing him into that spot
Do you?

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 9 @ 2:14 AM ET
They will do the smart thing and cut Holmes and get the 3rd round pick
- GERBE!!!75PTS



Why do we get a 3rd if we cut Holmes?

If that's true...
he absolutely MUST be cut
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Aug 9 @ 2:29 AM ET
Absolutely
Just look at Eichel
He still needs work defensively
He's just so dynamic offensively that it makes up for it

Thinking Mittelstadt can be that dynamic next year is crazy
And I'm not down on him at all
Just trying to be realistic
He might not even be "ready" for the NHL by next year
But if he is...
why put the extra defensive load on him at Center?
Let him play wing for a year or 2...
then let him move to Center

I don't see any benefit into rushing him into that spot
Do you?

- jdfitz77


that was kind of the question to begin with. If that all happens and he trends almost exactly like eichel did, is he still being rushed like eichel was? or wasnt he?

i dunno. would be a good problem to have.

my main point was that he and reinhart look completely different at the same age. he looks so much better in almost every aspect and it makes me hope for the best thats all.


Wetbandit1
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Aug 9 @ 2:54 AM ET
Try harder?
Regardless of injuries...
no other Bills WR had over 200yds

McCoy really was our offense

- jdfitz77



Obviously. That's not the point though.

When your top 3 receivers are hurt most of the season it's hard for them to put up numbers. The Bills had 9 WRs catch passes last year. The Bengals, picked randomly, had 6. Most teams carry 6 WRs, that means we had to sign 3 WRs off the street, maybe someone was a practice squad guy, but they point is when you have practice squad or street guys on the field it's pretty easy to just cover the only threat Woods. Goodwin was a deep threat playing out of position, so you just have to keep a guy over the top and he's not going to do anything to you.

Charles Clay, believe it or not, led the team in targets, with 86. Tyrod attempted 436 passes. McCoy had 57 targets. Tyrod threw the ball to other targets 379 times and the top WR(Woods) only had 76 targets. It's hard for anyone to get any yardage with those numbers. Tyrod accounted for 3,600 yards of offense. That's pretty solid.

Supposedly Sammy is healthy, Boldin and Jones are all better than Woods.
Wetbandit1
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Aug 9 @ 2:55 AM ET
but they were so close

2 and the 3rd over 900 yards multiple times

- homiedclown


If Jimmy Graham caught one more pass the Saints would've done it too.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 9 @ 3:49 AM ET
that was kind of the question to begin with. If that all happens and he trends almost exactly like eichel did, is he still being rushed like eichel was? or wasnt he?

i dunno. would be a good problem to have.

my main point was that he and reinhart look completely different at the same age. he looks so much better in almost every aspect and it makes me hope for the best thats all.

- TheHank




Mittelstadt wasn't rated anywhere near as good as Eichel
And one reason Eichel could step in right away was his strength,
which Mittelstadt needs to work on

Can he be better than Sam?
Sure, maybe
But I wouldn't thrust him into a role before he's ready for it

Mittelstadt is a guy that needs developing
Not a generational talent like Eichel who can jump right in and play
There's no comparison between the two
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Aug 9 @ 3:52 AM ET
They will do the smart thing and cut Holmes and get the 3rd round pick
- GERBE!!!75PTS


Send those (frank)ing invites! And so help me God, If I get one ding-dong pic I'm going to fly to California and murder you dead.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 9 @ 3:55 AM ET
Obviously. That's not the point though.

When your top 3 receivers are hurt most of the season it's hard for them to put up numbers. The Bills had 9 WRs catch passes last year. The Bengals, picked randomly, had 6. Most teams carry 6 WRs, that means we had to sign 3 WRs off the street, maybe someone was a practice squad guy, but they point is when you have practice squad or street guys on the field it's pretty easy to just cover the only threat Woods. Goodwin was a deep threat playing out of position, so you just have to keep a guy over the top and he's not going to do anything to you.

Charles Clay, believe it or not, led the team in targets, with 86. Tyrod attempted 436 passes. McCoy had 57 targets. Tyrod threw the ball to other targets 379 times and the top WR(Woods) only had 76 targets. It's hard for anyone to get any yardage with those numbers. Tyrod accounted for 3,600 yards of offense. That's pretty solid.

Supposedly Sammy is healthy, Boldin and Jones are all better than Woods.

- Wetbandit1



Besides Sammie being healthy,
the results weren't any better the year before

How long does Sammie stay healthy for?
Boldin isn't better than Woods at this point. His stats with Tyrod will be about half what they were with Matt Stafford... so about 400yds & 4td
We don't how how quickly Jones will be effective as an NFL wr, although I do like his talent
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Aug 9 @ 4:22 AM ET
Obviously. That's not the point though.

When your top 3 receivers are hurt most of the season it's hard for them to put up numbers. The Bills had 9 WRs catch passes last year. The Bengals, picked randomly, had 6. Most teams carry 6 WRs, that means we had to sign 3 WRs off the street, maybe someone was a practice squad guy, but they point is when you have practice squad or street guys on the field it's pretty easy to just cover the only threat Woods. Goodwin was a deep threat playing out of position, so you just have to keep a guy over the top and he's not going to do anything to you.

Charles Clay, believe it or not, led the team in targets, with 86. Tyrod attempted 436 passes. McCoy had 57 targets. Tyrod threw the ball to other targets 379 times and the top WR(Woods) only had 76 targets. It's hard for anyone to get any yardage with those numbers. Tyrod accounted for 3,600 yards of offense. That's pretty solid.

Supposedly Sammy is healthy, Boldin and Jones are all better than Woods.

- Wetbandit1




We have different definitions of solid
His 3,600 total yards still had him ranked 26th in per game average
And if I counted Hoyer (yes Brian Hoyer), he'd be 27th
but Hoyer only played 6games

That's not "solid" at all to me
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Aug 9 @ 5:43 AM ET


It was as so good no joke

- GERBE!!!75PTS



Dude in all honesty I don't judge.

It's 2017 and you can choose any bathroom you'd like.

But come on.

I've made bets with you where I'd take you to a playoff game if Gerbe scored X but I'd be embarrassed to hang with you with some of the sh!te you post(and I'd like to have a drink with you at one point honestly). I've had several drinks with quite a few of the posters here. Even had the honor of having one with JT.

That said...... That isn't pizza. You wanna eat that fine, keep it to yourself. If one person knows it's one too many.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Aug 9 @ 8:38 AM ET
Dude in all honesty I don't judge.

It's 2017 and you can choose any bathroom you'd like.

But come on.

I've made bets with you where I'd take you to a playoff game if Gerbe scored X but I'd be embarrassed to hang with you with some of the sh!te you post(and I'd like to have a drink with you at one point honestly). I've had several drinks with quite a few of the posters here. Even had the honor of having one with JT.

That said...... That isn't pizza. You wanna eat that fine, keep it to yourself. If one person knows it's one too many.

- dadeadhead


Well. poop.
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