Lost faith in the coach (wasn't the only one), immature reaction but the skill is still there.
- washedup20

good call

i get it...but it's silly to bring a core piece into a conversation about whipping boys and mention not being able to trade him because of his term
- Michael Pachla

But that's been the whole argument with the other four.

Bogosian: most want moved in any way possible.
Lehner probably has the fanbase split as to whether or not he's capable of backstopping a championship team.
Reinhart is believed to be able to be moved for a top 2 defenseman (not necessarily by me).
Kane has questions as to whether he can exceed what he did for half of last year, and whether or not that's worth a hefty raise.

All of them have limited time left on this team unless they are extended. That's not to say that can't or won't be, but if O'Reilly had 2 years or less left on his deal, he would be right there on that list.

Sam Reinhart is decent
Sam Reinhart makes players around him slightly better
Sam Reinhart hasn't eclipsed 50 points yet in two years with Eichel and #1 PP time.

He needs to put up 55-60+ points if he stays with Eichel to not be viewed as a disappointing 2nd overall pick.

I think he can, but I am not sure he does yet.

I don't recall Kotalik ever playing on a line with Briere and Hecht...atleast for any length of time. They tried to saddle Kotalik with Drury and Grier alot back then I'm pretty sure.

1st it was Briere, Hecht and Dumont...then when JP was stupidly allowed to leave and they kept/resigned Kotalik...the line was Briere, Hecht and Pommer. Both those groupings certainly dominated at times....how the hecht did we not win a Cup then...on yeah Darcy didnt sign enough quality backup dmen...and the locker room with rife with germs.

I certainly want to see Reinhart at center...hope Housley wants it too.

But that's been the whole argument with the other four.

Bogosian: most want moved in any way possible.
Lehner probably has the fanbase split as to whether or not he's capable of backstopping a championship team.
Reinhart is believed to be able to be moved for a top 2 defenseman (not necessarily by me).
Kane has questions as to whether he can exceed what he did for half of last year, and whether or not that's worth a hefty raise.

All of them have limited time left on this team unless they are extended. That's not to say that can't or won't be, but if O'Reilly had 2 years or less left on his deal, he would be right there on that list.
- buffalofan19

on the list of whipping boys?

why?

on the list of whipping boys?

why?
- Michael Pachla

First of all, because the term "whipping boys" is a poor term to describe it. Secondly, it's because this roster still needs at least 2 major upgrades to be a championship contender, and with 2 years (or less) left on his deal, it would be much easier to make that happen. It's why I have been saying in a cap world, term is far more important than salary. Moving those four is far more realistic than it is to move O'Reilly (maybe not Bogosian), regardless of production.

First of all, because the term "whipping boys" is a poor term to describe it. Secondly, it's because this roster still needs at least 2 major upgrades to be a championship contender, and with 2 years (or less) left on his deal, it would be much easier to make that happen. It's why I have been saying in a cap world, term is far more important than salary. Moving those four is far more realistic than it is to move O'Reilly (maybe not Bogosian), regardless of production.
- buffalofan19

so if you trade o'reilly, who or what type of player would represent a major upgrade?

I am kind of shocked that the Swedish World Junior coach's comments that he doubts Nylander will be available for the tournament at Christmas time because he will make the Buffalo Sabres hasn't gained more traction.

so if you trade o'reilly, who or what type of player would represent a major upgrade?
- Michael Pachla

I'm not suggesting that they should do this. I'm saying that if you were in a position where you either have to sign him a long term deal or move him/let him walk, he would be in that conversation. They've already signed him long term. He's not being moved and everybody knows it.

Again, that was the original question: why isn't he included in the same conversation as the other four of Bogosian, Kane, Lehner, and Reinhart? It's because the Sabres have upcoming decisions to make on them: either commit some big money to them, or move them. With O'Reilly, they already made that decision. They've already committed long term money to him, good decision or not. I happen to think it is a good decision overall, but even if I didn't. the reality is, he's staying here for quite a long term. The other four can still be moved or allowed to walk, which I think will end up being the case with Bogosian.

I'm not suggesting that they should do this. I'm saying that if you were in a position where you either have to sign him a long term deal or move him/let him walk, he would be in that conversation. They've already signed him long term. He's not being moved and everybody knows it.

Again, that was the original question: why isn't he included in the same conversation as the other four of Bogosian, Kane, Lehner, and Reinhart? It's because the Sabres have upcoming decisions to make on them: either commit some big money to them, or move them. With O'Reilly, they already made that decision. They've already committed long term money to him, good decision or not. I happen to think it is a good decision overall, but even if I didn't. the reality is, he's staying here for quite a long term. The other four can still be moved or allowed to walk, which I think will end up being the case with Bogosian.
- buffalofan19

cool

actually, that's not true...most in sabreland had their eyes on the prize in 2015 heading into reinhart's draft...which meant he'd be the No. 2 center behind McEichel in the grand scheme of things...and when O'Reilly was traded for, his role changed once again
- Michael Pachla

I can dig that the Brass expected to have either McDavid or Eichel, but they were still going for the BPA....no way were they thinking of drafting for position ( winger/depth centre/secondary scoring). Reinhart has neither impressed as a scoring threat or 2 way depth/utility player. They thought he would the most impactful forward of his draft class, which he clearly isn't....and that has to be dissapointing. The silver lining is that whole draft was poop, save Draisaitl and Nylander and a couple others.

I don't think Rodigues has the acceleration for Wing. I think that's why he surprised a lot of people, once he hits his top speed, he is pretty fast.

assuming asplund, mittelstadt, pu, borgen and davidsson sign in the next 12 months, looking at a 3 year window with this core and cap spending
kane and gorges this year

pommer comes off the books in 2 years
moulson in 2 years
bogo in 3 years
scandella in 3 years

what should the goal be?

if your keeping bailey, baptiste and guhle in rochester for 1 year, then spend some of this cap money for a player, or make a move for a vet with 1 year left

nash, neal, enstrom, green, jack johnson, carlson

and figure out the kane issue, 3 year extension looks like the best thing for the sabres given the pipeline

I can dig that the Brass expected to have either McDavid or Eichel, but they were still going for the BPA....no way were they thinking of drafting for position ( winger/depth centre/secondary scoring). Reinhart has neither impressed as a scoring threat or 2 way depth/utility player. They thought he would the most impactful forward of his draft class, which he clearly isn't....and that has to be dissapointing. The silver lining is that whole draft was poop, save Draisaitl and Nylander and a couple others.
- Larsson_fan

that draft had an interchangeable top-3: ekblad, reinhart, Bennett--all of whom spent time atop various mock drafts...you don't think they knew the caliber of the top-3 draft pick they were getting?

draisaitl was a great pick for Edmonton...but i'd almost guarantee that if they were at no.2 in that draft, one of the sams would be on the oilers...

even saying all that, reinhart is the type of player who shouldn't be judged this early

But that's been the whole argument with the other four.

Bogosian: most want moved in any way possible.
Lehner probably has the fanbase split as to whether or not he's capable of backstopping a championship team.
Reinhart is believed to be able to be moved for a top 2 defenseman (not necessarily by me).
Kane has questions as to whether he can exceed what he did for half of last year, and whether or not that's worth a hefty raise.

All of them have limited time left on this team unless they are extended. That's not to say that can't or won't be, but if O'Reilly had 2 years or less left on his deal, he would be right there on that list.
- buffalofan19

There are Sabres fans that think Reinhart will net them a #2 DMan? That's ridiculous. Everybody should be fairly aware of the premium set on the top 60 defenders in the NHL. Now he might get a decent D man in return, and that D man might play on the Sabres top pair....but that doesn't make him a #2 defender. I look at the trade Arizona made for Hjarrlmarsson....Reinhart is with more than what Chicago got in return, but those were cap circumstances and they needed D coming back, and like I said, he's not a true top pairing D anyway.

I am kind of shocked that the Swedish World Junior coach's comments that he doubts Nylander will be available for the tournament at Christmas time because he will make the Buffalo Sabres hasn't gained more traction.
- buffalofan19

Maybe nylander will be up here by that time I don't see him in the October lineup that's for sure

that draft had an interchangeable top-3: ekblad, reinhart, Bennett--all of whom spent time atop various mock drafts...you don't think they knew the caliber of the top-3 draft pick they were getting?

draisaitl was a great pick for Edmonton...but i'd almost guarantee that if they were at no.2 in that draft, one of the sams would be on the oilers...

even saying all that, reinhart is the type of player who shouldn't be judged this early
- Michael Pachla

I disagree. The Oilers already had Nuge, Yak, Hall and Eberle, were getting Pulverized by the big California teams regularly....they wanted the big man....and if your saying is true, why didn't they pick Bennett with #3 ?

And the top 3 we're not interchangeable...Ekblad was on top of almost every list.

I disagree. The Oilers already had Nuge, Yak, Hall and Eberle, were getting Pulverized by the big California teams regularly....they wanted the big man....and if your saying is true, why didn't they pick Bennett with #3 ?

And the top 3 we're not interchangeable...Ekblad was on top of almost every list.
- Larsson_fan

fair enough, but most had reinhart going to the sabres at no. 2 as he, ekblad and Bennett moved in and out of the top prospect rankings spot throughout the year...

hindsight is 20/20...Edmonton did well picking draisaitl as he's clearly been the best forward in the draft thus far...congrats...

*slow clap*

that said, i'll be happy to eat some crow if reinhart doesn't reach his potential in the next three years or so

fair enough, but most had reinhart going to the sabres at no. 2 as he, ekblad and Bennett moved in and out of the top prospect rankings spot throughout the year...

hindsight is 20/20...Edmonton did well picking draisaitl as he's clearly been the best forward in the draft thus far...congrats...

*slow clap*

that said, i'll be happy to eat some crow if reinhart doesn't reach his potential in the next three years or so
- Michael Pachla

Hold on...don't mistake me for some dumb Oilers fan who thinks the Oilers could
Do no wrong at the draft....after 4 straight high picks we finally nailed the BPA. They don't even deserve your sarcastically arrogant slow clap.

Maybe nylander will be up here by that time I don't see him in the October lineup that's for sure
- gerbe75pts

if he is not up, the lw's are


kane
pouliot
moulson
deslauriers

if he is not up, the lw's are


kane
pouliot
moulson
deslauriers




- homiedclown

That's why I still see us making a trade

I am kind of shocked that the Swedish World Junior coach's comments that he doubts Nylander will be available for the tournament at Christmas time because he will make the Buffalo Sabres hasn't gained more traction.
- buffalofan19

i think hes unsure same as the sabres. I read something the other day that despite his low scoring nyalnder generated 5v5 chances somewhere in the top 5 among all rookies in the ahl.

I dont think hes as far as most believe and so it wouldnt shock me if they started him in the AHL and in two months whether it's an injury or just good play he's up for an extended period of time.

That's why I still see us making a trade
- gerbe75pts

Who are we shopping and who do you think is available?

What was this huge announcement that Sabres were supposed to make wtf ..

Did they just cancel it