Desperately need another top center and a number one dman or at the very least a top pairing dman. As I said, the Canucks have some nice prospects, but they're still lacking in the highend skill department.
- LeftCoaster

Well there ya go, I said you got 2 more drafts.

Desperately need another top center and a number one dman or at the very least a top pairing dman. As I said, the Canucks have some nice prospects, but they're still lacking in the highend skill department.
- LeftCoaster

Trade? Unlikely

UFA? Possible, another LE type contract

Draft? Luck of the draw, no quick fix here.

Trade? Unlikely

UFA? Possible, another LE type contract

Draft? Luck of the draw, no quick fix here.
- VanHockeyGuy

The scenario where I see trade happening is if the next couple drafts the Canucks take BPA - who turn out to not be C's, and in a few years' time decide they want to make a push they flip non-C draft picks for one.

I do think its likely though this team will always draft by need in the first round

I don't see a lot of highend talent you need to compete for a PO spot other than Pettersson and perhaps Boeser, they need a lot more than that.
- LeftCoaster

So you don't think if those guys continue to advance and put up better numbers that they have a shot of getting us into the POs? I'm not talking about winning cups.

Not single-ling you out, but I don't understand the theory of trading and getting rid of guys like Sven, Gran, Stetcher & Hutton - these guys are actually producing, progressing and showing potential NOW & they can be core guys. Mixed with Bo, BB, Gagner, Loui, Sutter, Guddy, Tanev - i know they're not McD and Leon but i think they have a higher ceiling that they haven't reached yet. And within 2-3 years will be pushing for the PO's.

The scenario where I see trade happening is if the next couple drafts the Canucks take BPA - who turn out to not be C's, and in a few years' time decide they want to make a push they flip non-C draft picks for one.

I do think its likely though this team will always draft by need in the first round
- WhiteLie

Top five next year is likely, again they will get a real good player.

A Ryan Johansen type trade for C will be hard to do and will cost.

I was just looking at some of the free agent signings this past off season, and I took a look at Evgeny Kuznetsov's contract (7.8 x 8 years) and looked at some of his point totals, and Bo has 4 less goals in far fewer games, while Kuznetsov has far more assists (but more games played and 3 years older). Why is this relevant? You never want to look too much into why things are taking so long to get done as far as Bo signing, but holy cow does Bo have a TON of leverage right now for negotiations. 22 year old point leader last year, comparable players making ridiculous money (unless you play for Nashville). I would be happy with giving Bo some term, but with a little less $ (anything under 5.5 would be ideal). 5 x 5.5 and I would be happy

Top five again next year is likely, again they will get a real good player.

A Ryan Johansen type trade for C will be hard to do and will cost.
- VanHockeyGuy

I think that's a given, hopefully a TDL acquisition of another 1st rounder, maybe in the 15-20 range. The year after I think top 10 pick, then the team has to start rising in the standings.

Top five next year is likely, again they will get a real good player.

A Ryan Johansen type trade for C will be hard to do and will cost.
- VanHockeyGuy

Agreed. It wont be easy, but not impossible. Johansen was acquired because Nashville took BPA even though they were stacked on D, so they were able to make it work (yes I am also aware that VAN isnt stacked anywhere for prospects/talent, just saying though )

I think that's a given, hopefully a TDL acquisition of another 1st rounder, maybe in the 15-20 range. The year after I think top 10 pick, then the team has to start rising in the standings.
- Brooks_Light

Still doesn't address the need for another high end C that's closer than 3 years away.

This process will take awhile.

I was just looking at some of the free agent signings this past off season, and I took a look at Evgeny Kuznetsov's contract (7.8 x 8 years) and looked at some of his point totals, and Bo has 4 less goals in far fewer games, while Kuznetsov has far more assists (but more games played and 3 years older). Why is this relevant? You never want to look too much into why things are taking so long to get done as far as Bo signing, but holy cow does Bo have a TON of leverage right now for negotiations. 22 year old point leader last year, comparable players making ridiculous money (unless you play for Nashville). I would be happy with giving Bo some term, but with a little less $ (anything under 5.5 would be ideal). 5 x 5.5 and I would be happy
- Codes1087

They definitely took a risk on Kuznetsov, he could have a very high ceiling but could also disappear, I get a very Semin-vibe from him. Caps overpaid though because of the KHL interest, I dont think Bo has that going for him. They waited and I think that worked in the Canucks favour, to see what Zibenejad, Johnson, Granlund, Galchenyuk they are more reasonable comparables in cost and performance
http://www.tsn.ca/caps-ku...-on-khl-interest-1.808586

I was just looking at some of the free agent signings this past off season, and I took a look at Evgeny Kuznetsov's contract (7.8 x 8 years) and looked at some of his point totals, and Bo has 4 less goals in far fewer games, while Kuznetsov has far more assists (but more games played and 3 years older). Why is this relevant? You never want to look too much into why things are taking so long to get done as far as Bo signing, but holy cow does Bo have a TON of leverage right now for negotiations. 22 year old point leader last year, comparable players making ridiculous money (unless you play for Nashville). I would be happy with giving Bo some term, but with a little less $ (anything under 5.5 would be ideal). 5 x 5.5 and I would be happy
- Codes1087

The Kut-nuts-off contract is mental and I cant wait till the Caps start declining.

Bo doesnt have that much leverage, considering his management group wanted to wait till most of the other big guys got signed before him. Comparables are
Granlund - 5.7X3
Nino - 5.5X5
Mika - 5.3X5
Arvidsson 4.2X 7

All these guys put up better numbers than Bo - so its hard to imagine him getting more. - I think between 5-5.4 is reasonable.

Demko could be a wildcard factor among it all if his projection and progression continue. In general sense I agree with you though, I think 2 years before an ascent begins, but I dont know how far from there until a playoff after that, but another 2 bottom 5 finishes will get that talent that is still lacking IMO
- WhiteLie

Hard to tell because we can't predict the future draft positions but I'm saying longer than two years as my best guess.

They definitely took a risk on Kuznetsov, he could have a very high ceiling but could also disappear, I get a very Semin-vibe from him. Caps overpaid though because of the KHL interest, I dont think Bo has that going for him. They waited and I think that worked in the Canucks favour, to see what Zibenejad, Johnson, Granlund, Galchenyuk they are more reasonable comparables in cost and performance
http://www.tsn.ca/caps-ku...-on-khl-interest-1.808586
- WhiteLie

I am hoping between 5-5.5 . Bo thought has some really favorable numbers given his age when comparing to some of these players who just signed these contracts.

Well there ya go, I said you got 2 more drafts.
- manvanfan

You said two more drafts then you see the playoffs, I say two more drafts then two more years before they sniff the playoffs.

Trade? Unlikely

UFA? Possible, another LE type contract

Draft? Luck of the draw, no quick fix here.
- VanHockeyGuy

Only one way to acquire one, draft him.

So you don't think if those guys continue to advance and put up better numbers that they have a shot of getting us into the POs? I'm not talking about winning cups.

Not single-ling you out, but I don't understand the theory of trading and getting rid of guys like Sven, Gran, Stetcher & Hutton - these guys are actually producing, progressing and showing potential NOW & they can be core guys. Mixed with Bo, BB, Gagner, Loui, Sutter, Guddy, Tanev - i know they're not McD and Leon but i think they have a higher ceiling that they haven't reached yet. And within 2-3 years will be pushing for the PO's.
- Brooks_Light

Who are you talking about? I see two pretty talented guys and a bunch of second tier players, good ones, but still second tier. Playoffs, sure, maybe. You need those top tier guys to win a Cup and I don't see a lot of them around.

The Kut-nuts-off contract is mental and I cant wait till the Caps start declining.

Bo doesnt have that much leverage, considering his management group wanted to wait till most of the other big guys got signed before him. Comparables are
Granlund - 5.7X3
Nino - 5.5X5
Mika - 5.3X5
Arvidsson 4.2X 7

All these guys put up better numbers than Bo - so its hard to imagine him getting more. - I think between 5-5.4 is reasonable.
- Brooks_Light

Those players put up better numbers, but on much better teams. I think they are going to pay Bo, give him both term and $. I think they establish the fact that he is an integral part of their core moving forward. 5-5.4 would certainly be good for the future.

Only one way to acquire one, draft him.
- LeftCoaster

It's the best way anyhow. This is where luck comes into play

It's the best way anyhow. This is where luck comes into play
- VanHockeyGuy

Unless you get a can't miss kid.

Hard to tell because we can't predict the future draft positions but I'm saying longer than two years as my best guess.
- LeftCoaster

Agreed. Buffalo is a team that IMO made some assumptions about player progression, started adding, and have yet to reach the playoffs still. Only thing we can reasonably predict is the end of bottoming out

Still doesn't address the need for another high end C that's closer than 3 years away.

This process will take awhile.
- VanHockeyGuy

You're saying without another high end C, we won't make the playoffs? Given Bo, PEtterson, Boeser are our highest skilled players moving forward?

I don't think its that's black and white. Teams like Dallas have three elite centers, Forida - Trochek, Barkov, Marshessault, Winnipeg, Scheifele, Little, NYI, Tavares and Lee, - none made the playoffs last year. You need more than an elite C. Gotta be balanced. Montreal, Columbus, St.Louis, have arguably no 1Cs, but both made the POs and had success last year.

Bo, Petterson, Gaudette could potentially be enough depending on who's around them. I don't think you're giving the other core guys enough credit.

Agreed. Buffalo is a team that IMO made some assumptions about player progression, started adding, and have yet to reach the playoffs still. Only thing we can reasonably predict is the end of bottoming out
- WhiteLie

Hitting on your picks when you have the opportunity is the key, good picks are meaningless if you don't pick the right player. How do you think Buffalo feels about Reinhart over Draisaitl?

If they'd have selected Draisaitl and Eichel in back to back years, they'd be sitting pretty for the next decade.

You're saying without another high end C, we won't make the playoffs? Given Bo, PEtterson, Boeser are our highest skilled players moving forward?

I don't think its that's black and white. Teams like Dallas have three elite centers, Forida - Trochek, Barkov, Marshessault, Winnipeg, Scheifele, Little, NYI, Tavares and Lee, - none made the playoffs last year. You need more than an elite C. Gotta be balanced. Montreal, Columbus, St.Louis, have arguably no 1Cs, but both made the POs and had success last year.

Bo, Petterson, Gaudette could potentially be enough depending on who's around them. I don't think you're giving the other core guys enough credit.
- Brooks_Light

I forgot about Gaudette, could be an wildcard....or not?

I am hoping between 5-5.5 . Bo thought has some really favorable numbers given his age when comparing to some of these players who just signed these contracts.
- Codes1087

Term is what I am most curious about. Canucks should want 5+ years, and if Bo cared about his wallet, he would want 4 or less

Hitting on your picks when you have the opportunity is the key, good picks are meaningless if you don't pick the right player. How do you think Buffalo feels about Reinhart over Draisaitl?

If they'd have selected Draisaitl and Eichel in back to back years, they'd be sitting pretty for the next decade.
- LeftCoaster

We could use a guy like him.