They will try to resign him. Plus if they were to offer him up, why would he come here, and what would we have to overpay for a pending UFA?
- VanHockeyGuy

I think Ottawa will try to re sign him but they have 22 mil and need to sign Ceci Stone Oduya and 5 other roster spots.

I think Turris will get 7.5 if he hits the open market.

If a team was made up of 10 players then I wouldn't have to "stretch it out". That's probably why when the Hawks got into the playoffs they got swept because you need a 4 forward lines with 3 d pairings contributing.

The fact is that you have probably 4 guys that you mentioned, yet you listed 14 players.
- manvanfan

Ok, but teams are not made up of 10 players? I'm not sure what you're getting at. I've honestly never heard anyone ever mention a teams "top 15 scorers". My point was I felt you stretched it to 15 just to be able to say they lost 5 guys.

Which, btw, isn't even correct. They lost Campbell, TVR, Kruger, and Hjalmarsson. 68 points between those 4 guys. Panarin replaced by Saad in a list of top 15 guys. Pretty sure the Hawks will have 0 issues replacing these scoring contributions. None of those guys topped even 20 points individually.

I listed 14 guys because, again, ALL OF THOSE PLAYERS PLAYED NHL GAMES. Is this factually incorrect?

Is that list going to entirely supplant the Hawks roster? No.

Will the Hawks get several good roster players from that list? Yes.

Are some of those players eventually going to be let go because better options become available? Yes

Are some of those players likely to be packaged in trades for other players, thus still contributing to the improvement of the Hawks? Yes

edit: Hawks were bounced early because of they have to many of the same types of players. Has nothing to do with having 4 good lines and 3 good d pairings. They absolutely had that. They just didn't have the right mix of players, which is why Panarin was traded for a more well-rounded player like Saad.

Hawks got bullied.

Would probably start with a 1st and EP.
- manvanfan

I would wait until UFA

Hate to keep on harping on it but Willie tried to find ways to make the team work around the twins . Hopefully Travis will come in with the mindset of just how to make the team work period.

Gagner and Loui can be top 6 if you find someone to compliment them. That will take care of three more years of development for the young guys.
- VANTEL

Yep good point too much happening around the Sedins. Hopefully Green is 'given' the freedom to set the roster how he wants and make the little things happen.

Basically Green should have a green light to do whatever he wants with this roster and that includes splitting the Sedins up and 2-3 line duties as well.

Ok, but teams are not made up of 10 players? I'm not sure what you're getting at. I've honestly never heard anyone ever mention a teams "top 15 scorers". My point was I felt you stretched it to 15 just to be able to say they lost 5 guys.

Which, btw, isn't even correct. They lost Campbell, TVR, Kruger, and Hjalmarsson. 68 points between those 4 guys. Panarin replaced by Saad in a list of top 15 guys. Pretty sure the Hawks will have 0 issues replacing these scoring contributions. None of those guys topped even 20 points individually.

I listed 14 guys because, again, ALL OF THOSE PLAYERS PLAYED NHL GAMES. Is this factually incorrect?

Is that list going to entirely supplant the Hawks roster? No.

Will the Hawks get several good roster players from that list? Yes.

Are some of those players eventually going to be let go because better options become available? Yes

Are some of those players likely to be packaged in trades for other players, thus still contributing to the improvement of the Hawks? Yes

edit: Hawks were bounced early because of they have to many of the same types of players. Has nothing to do with having 4 good lines and 3 good d pairings. They absolutely had that. They just didn't have the right mix of players, which is why Panarin was traded for a more well-rounded player like Saad.

Hawks got bullied.
- mochoson

I love your page length rants about having cap problems and making excuses as to why they didn't win.

I now suggest going to explain your wise wisdom about why your team isn't winning to someone who shares your opinion.

I would wait until UFA
- VANTEL

I would too but I doubt either Tavares or Turris get there. Even if they do. Same as Stamkos. Going to resign with their teams.

A rookie to me is a rookie. At any age.

Virtanen a year in the AHL and showed strides and maturity. Having him in the AHL playing top minutes and rounding out his game.

Goldy has had 2 years and it scoring at a PPG in the AHL. It may come down to numbers games and one way contracts.

I doubt there will be many meaningful games in the NHL for Canucks prospects. I would rather have them play in the AHL play to win every night, make the playoffs and take a run at the Calder cup.

I don't want to see players ruined to please fans. Long term success over short term gains.
- manvanfan

Nor do I, hence why original post I said provided they earn it. Not a fan of not having your best available players in line up though. If you are better than say Megna, Chaput or Boucher etc. At camp, then you have earned that spot.
Also you don't keep players in minors to please certain fans, that believe players need to spend ELC in minors. If you earn a spot you earn one, let's hope they never do something stupid again like when they kept McCann and Virtanen up when it was obvious they needed to go back.

Edit: never meant to bold this and won't let me unfold it.

I would too but I doubt either Tavares or Turris get there. Even if they do. Same as Stamkos. Going to resign with their teams.
- manvanfan

I don't think Ottawa can afford 7.5 and sign 8 other players

I don't think Ottawa can afford 7.5 and sign 8 other players
- VANTEL

Stone, Turris, Ceci are really the only players they will need to sign. Bobby Ryan will probably be a buy out. Save them 3.5 and with cap going up.

They will certainly have to do some shuffling but I don't see it a big problem.

Nor do I, hence why original post I said provided they earn it. Not a fan of not having your best available players in line up though. If you are better than say Megna, Chaput or Boucher etc. At camp, then you have earned that spot.
Also you don't keep players in minors to please certain fans, that believe players need to spend ELC in minors. If you earn a spot you earn one, let's hope they never do something stupid again like when they kept McCann and Virtanen up when it was obvious they needed to go back.

Edit: never meant to bold this and won't let me unfold it.
- Reubenkincade

If the team isn't going to win. Why not have them in the AHL where they can win and play meaningful games until trades are made.

Stone, Turris, Ceci are really the only players they will need to sign. Bobby Ryan will probably be a buy out. Save them 3.5 and with cap going up.

They will certainly have to do some shuffling but I don't see it a big problem.
- manvanfan

Oh well. See who is available .

Still can't be worse than bringing back two 38 year olds

If the team isn't going to win. Why not have them in the AHL where they can win and play meaningful games until trades are made.
- manvanfan

Chaput Megna should not be on this team

Oh well. See who is available .

Still can't be worse than bringing back two 38 year olds
- VANTEL

Seeing the likes of Jagr who is 45 and still scoring 46 points a season, not get contracts.

Doan, Iglina 40 years old, 27 points not getting any interest.

Unless on a cheaper one year deal, I can't see the Sedin's coming back.

Seeing the likes of Jagr who is 45 and still scoring 46 points a season, not get contracts.

Doan, Iglina 40 years old, 27 points not getting any interest.

Unless on a cheaper one year deal, I can't see the Sedin's coming back.
- manvanfan

The two factor pisses me off. We will have much better options on LW in 2018 but they come as a package

The two factor pisses me off. We will have much better options on LW in 2018 but they come as a package
- VANTEL

Factor 3
As of right now, only 1 player on the roster has outscored them.

Chaput Megna should not be on this team
- VANTEL

They are right on the cusp of breaking out. Can't give up now.

Right around where Patrick Maroon broke out. Same with Jonathan Marchessault.

And Dale Weise.

We can't miss their 1 hit season. It's COMING YOU WATCH!

Michael Grabner had his best season ever at 29 years old! Same With Derek Ryan!

I love your page length rants about having cap problems and making excuses as to why they didn't win.

I now suggest going to explain your wise wisdom about why your team isn't winning to someone who shares your opinion.
- manvanfan

What does any of this have to do with "cap problems"? This is bad deflecting. Every competitive team has "cap problems" and since the 04 lockout has had to learn the formula for becoming and remaining competitive.

So if your talking about the Hawks balancing their expensive top end players with cheap, young players than you're describing something literally every team in the league is figuring out how to do.

I made no "excuse" for the Hawks. I told you why they lost. It's by no means an excuse. They weren't even close to good enough to beat a team like the Pens. Does that change what I said? Go back and watch the tape. What I said is accurate. That doesn't make it an "excuse".

I don't even get the bold. What are you even talking about? I'm not a Hawks fan. I'd be happily to give you more articulate responses about the Stars and Flyers if that's what you mean. This statement doesn't even make any sense. Why would I share such a detailed, articulate opinion with someone who already shares my view point? Unless this was a polite(?) way of saying "drop it, I don't care"?

To recap, this ENTIRE conversation started with the idea that the Hawks will experience a "fall from grace" sometime soon. I've done nothing but support factual evidence as to why that statement couldn't be anymore ridiculous.

There really isn't much there. Seabrook and Keith are 32 and 34, even if they are exception players. There play will start to decline soon.
- manvanfan

I can't help but cringe at the term left for Seabrook. Atleast they have 3 cups to look back on.
#jelly

1. I absolutely did not list every prospect in the system. I listed guys who are very young and are already making contributions at the NHL level. Which part of that statement is incorrect?

2. Their 15th scorer was TVR with 16 points. The fact that you had to stretch this to 15 to be able to say they lost 5 scorers is the definition of reaching. How many teams every year have even 10 noteworthy scorers? The list is small. Nick Schmaltz was 10 on the Blackhawks with 28 points, and you're talking about one of the best teams in the league.

3. Jurco managed 16 games before coming to the Hawks. Switching organizations and getting used to your 3rd coach in such a short amount of time would be hard on any young player. He looked better and better the more he got ice-time.

4. If you think those are the only guys worth mentioning, you didn't watch the Hawks enough this past year.

The point of listing all these young players is that every year, at least a few of them are going to continually improve. Are all of those players gonna be stars in the long run? Obviously not.

But guys like Schmaltz, Hartman, DeBrincat, Forsling...these guys aren't going anywhere.
- mochoson

What does any of this have to do with "cap problems"? This is bad deflecting. Every competitive team has "cap problems" and since the 04 lockout has had to learn the formula for becoming and remaining competitive.

So if your talking about the Hawks balancing their expensive top end players with cheap, young players than you're describing something literally every team in the league is figuring out how to do.

I made no "excuse" for the Hawks. I told you why they lost. It's by no means an excuse. They weren't even close to good enough to beat a team like the Pens. Does that change what I said? Go back and watch the tape. What I said is accurate. That doesn't make it an "excuse".

I don't even get the bold. What are you even talking about? I'm not a Hawks fan. I'd be happily to give you more articulate responses about the Stars and Flyers if that's what you mean. This statement doesn't even make any sense. Why would I share such a detailed, articulate opinion with someone who already shares my view point? Unless this was a polite(?) way of saying "drop it, I don't care"?

To recap, this ENTIRE conversation started with the idea that the Hawks will experience a "fall from grace" sometime soon. I've done nothing but support factual evidence as to why that statement couldn't be anymore ridiculous.
- mochoson

You gave me a bunch of cheap cap hits to fill out a roster that can't make it past the first round.

- CanuckDon

Dude should stick to his Stars and Flyers rosters because at least they have a future and some serious prospect depth.

Dude should stick to his Stars and Flyers rosters because at least they have a future and some serious prospect depth.
- manvanfan

It's a pretty strange rant, like we care about the Hawks the Hawks are finished, should be a solid 6 or 7 years before they are relevant again. He actually said any team with Forsling as their No 2 prospect is set well ours is Boeser so we must be guaranteed multiple cups

Chaput Megna should not be on this team
- VANTEL

Shelter the young players.

You gave me a bunch of cheap cap hits to fill out a roster that can't make it past the first round.
- manvanfan

Yeah...THIS YEAR they didn't. So none of those players are going to get any better? Like, at all? We're talking about THE modern NHL dynasty falling off a cliff.

For that to happen, Kane/Toews/Crawford/Seabrook/Anisimov/Keith would all literally have to immediately regress to shells of their former selves and EVERY young player previously listed would have plateaued in their development already.

How does that not sound absolutely ridiculous to you? I will make this very easy for you.

What I am saying: The Hawks have a core group comparable to any other contending team in terms of talent. They also have plenty of talented, young players to help keep them competitive.

What you are saying: All the Hawks best players best days are behind them and all of their young players are meh. They'll be lucky to even make the playoffs and get bounced in the first round again.

Again, who sounds more ridiculous?

It's a pretty strange rant, like we care about the Hawks the Hawks are finished, should be a solid 6 or 7 years before they are relevant again. He actually said any team with Forsling as their No 2 prospect is set well ours is Boeser so we must be guaranteed multiple cups
- CanuckDon

Never seen someone defend a team who they don't cheer for so much.