I was just checking Nashville's cap space because I was thinking something similar
- WhiteLie

Yeah $15M to spare with all key players locked up but Emelin for 2018 makes a lot a room for JT to saddle in. If Snow was smart he'd force the issue to get futures and prospects that Preds are loaded up with now. If he waits longer then camp for JT to sign he's lowering his leverage. A TDL deal still possible but less likely to be able to drive up price with more teams who don't have the flexibility in season.

Anyway given all the factors we have laid out there is zero chance JT is a Canuck option.

Good for a #9 pick maybe, I just think the #9 pick was a low return for Schneider who at the time was just hitting his prime and had excelled at every level beforehand

At the time he was traded, he looked as good or better than Carey Price. And he's looked pretty good ever since while playing for a terrible Devils team

Since the Canucks are mired in a definitive rebuild, at this point in 2017 a 22 year old 2C is probably better than a 31 year old goalie, but at the time and had the rebuild started earlier (by keeping Schneider and rebuilding around him) The Canucks might well be on the upswing right now, and with a 31 year old Top 5 goalie the future overall might have been brighter

In the end, Schneider has burnt 4 years of his career in NJ, and The nucks have burnt 4 years of a rebuild "trying to make the playoffs" so its all a wash right now anyways
- PensWin87

hindsight is 20/20 after all.

I'd imagine the Canucks would be a whole different team with so many picks traded at tdl for rentals over the years too...

as per the as good or better than Carey Price, if gms felt that same way, there would have been a bidding war for Schneider when all the goalie controversy stuff got going

i'm still quite pleased with the outcome of Schneider for Horvat.

going back to,

#9 Overall was selling LOW on Schneider.....
- PensWin87

it did feel a bit low at the time as a Canucks fan, but we also do over value our own players, as we have been told.

1. Unproven
2. wait, Craig Anderson, before Ottawa journeyman Craig Anderson??
3. Unproven
4. Surely, you're not talking Tukka Rask, who was traded when he was still a prospect
- PensWin87

Frederick Andersen PROVEN & more games played compared to schieder at that point (Anaheim got back less)
Bobrovsky (brought back less)

So tell me where is this high low return you speak of? because you haven't said a comparable

Goalies relative value is almost impossible to say

Varlymov for a 1st?
Atta boy Joe geez it wasn't only RoR u messed up on.
Other than winning a no-brainer in MacKinnon how is it Joe has a job?
- Nighthawk

He never grew one of these



And remember we are talking about a guy who put his own hand into a running snowblower.

#9 Overall was selling LOW on Schneider.....
- PensWin87

Really? What was Schneider's true value in your opinion? Top 3? Top 5?

Want to know my opinion? I think you are a top 3 idiot.

Really? What was Schneider's true value in your opinion? Top 3? Top 5?

Want to know my opinion? I think you are a top 3 idiot.
- bloatedmosquito

Before or after the idiot lotto?

hindsight is 20/20 after all.

I'd imagine the Canucks would be a whole different team with so many picks traded at tdl for rentals over the years too...

as per the as good or better than Carey Price, if gms felt that same way, there would have been a bidding war for Schneider when all the goalie controversy stuff got going

i'm still quite pleased with the outcome of Schneider for Horvat.
- hillbillydeluxe

The Schenider trade went down pretty fast. Plus, it's hard to get a lot of bidders since if you have a goalie, you don't really need another, unless you are trading YOUR goalie which the Canucks didn't need since they were re-hitching their apple cart to Luongo

I remember Edmonton offering #7 overall plus another pick or a mid level prospect and Gillis saying no and taking less, not wanting Scheider in the division. Plus they got the player (Horvat) they wanted at #9 anyways, so the NJ deal kinda made sense

One could argue the deal actually HURT the Devils as Scheider has made them look better than they actually are, keeping them from higher drafting positions (McDavid/Eichel/Matthews) lotteries, etc

Better view of Pettersson, in case anyone hasnt seen it yet

Vancouver Canucks prospect Elias Pettersson 😱😱 pic.twitter.com/ro7twXwZJ8

— Gino Hard (@Ginohard_) August 8, 2017

- WhiteLie

Have slowed it down and still impressive. So smooth just turning and back hand through the legs top shelf is some skill...in for a treat with this kid...can't wait to see him earning it with Canucks

Good for a #9 pick maybe, I just think the #9 pick was a low return for Schneider who at the time was just hitting his prime and had excelled at every level beforehand

At the time he was traded, he looked as good or better than Carey Price. And he's looked pretty good ever since while playing for a terrible Devils team

Since the Canucks are mired in a definitive rebuild, at this point in 2017 a 22 year old 2C is probably better than a 31 year old goalie, but at the time and had the rebuild started earlier (by keeping Schneider and rebuilding around him) The Canucks might well be on the upswing right now, and with a 31 year old Top 5 goalie the future overall might have been brighter

In the end, Schneider has burnt 4 years of his career in NJ, and The nucks have burnt 4 years of a rebuild "trying to make the playoffs" so its all a wash right now anyways
- PensWin87

Better than Carey Price?

If a canuck fan had posted that he/she would be run off this tread faster than you can say 'Captain EO'.

moving on.. Did anyone else see Pettersson's shoot out goal today for the Vaxjo Skills comp. Kid has impressive mitts.
- Codes1087

It'd be interesting to see if Nucks fans take to him after souring on Nylander. It's hard to ignore the fanbases' disgust about William and being soft. I think we need more time to see how this plays out.

He never grew one of these



And remember we are talking about a guy who put his own hand into a running snowblower.
- A_SteamingLombardi

My ass hair looks better than what's growing on Gillis' face.

Better than Carey Price?

If a canuck fan had posted that he/she would be run off this tread faster than you can say 'Captain EO'.
- bloatedmosquito

Carey Price 2008-2013 was entirely league average

His play since then has been elite, although as a comparison to Schneider in terms of the team in front of him Schneider's numbers may be more impressive as the Devils have been all time terrible

Great insight!
Thanks!
- Marwood

Harping on previous GM regimes hardly matters much now.
May as well go back to Naslund for Stojanov.
- Nighthawk

Good one

Most lop sided trade of the decade if not among tops in NHL history

Really? What was Schneider's true value in your opinion? Top 3? Top 5?

Want to know my opinion? I think you are a top 3 idiot.
- bloatedmosquito

The Schenider trade went down pretty fast. Plus, it's hard to get a lot of bidders since if you have a goalie, you don't really need another, unless you are trading YOUR goalie which the Canucks didn't need since they were re-hitching their apple cart to Luongo

I remember Edmonton offering #7 overall plus another pick or a mid level prospect and Gillis saying no and taking less, not wanting Scheider in the division. Plus they got the player (Horvat) they wanted at #9 anyways, so the NJ deal kinda made sense

One could argue the deal actually HURT the Devils as Scheider has made them look better than they actually are, keeping them from higher drafting positions (McDavid/Eichel/Matthews) lotteries, etc
- PensWin87

you lost me right away.

If a team has 2 goalies that are capable starters, surely that team's gm will receive calls for both. or maybe I am assuming too much? If Schneider was, or appeared, as good as Carey Price? wouldn't other teams be throwing all kinds of offers the Canucks way?

I heard rumours of an Oiler offer too. who knows for sure how that went down? kind of like rumours of the Leafs making offers for Luongo and then wanting to change the deal at the last minute. eat salary, whatever.

as it turned out, I will stand by the deal as being a win-win, and if you are saying it isn't a win for NJ, that is okay from my end.

My ass hair looks better than what's growing on Gillis' face.
- bloatedmosquito

stop hovering your ass over mirrors

fekin dog days of summer. pls. no pics.

My ass hair looks better than what's growing on Gillis' face.
- bloatedmosquito

time for a Brazilian....know a good place in Soho

(Edit: wait the equivalent is Robson but not on par to know how of bending over and ripping you off )

It'd be interesting to see if Nucks fans take to him after souring on Nylander. It's hard to ignore the fanbases' disgust about William and being soft. I think we need more time to see how this plays out.
- walshyleafsfan

it's not the same, William looks prettier than my wife, I can't speak for the rest on this board.


anyone bored and wanting to watch a different tv series? Sense8

stop hovering your ass over mirrors

fekin dog days of summer. pls. no pics.
- hillbillydeluxe

Weren't you here for Booner's throat?

hindsight is 20/20 after all.

I'd imagine the Canucks would be a whole different team with so many picks traded at tdl for rentals over the years too...

as per the as good or better than Carey Price, if gms felt that same way, there would have been a bidding war for Schneider when all the goalie controversy stuff got going

i'm still quite pleased with the outcome of Schneider for Horvat.

going back to,



it did feel a bit low at the time as a Canucks fan, but we also do over value our own players, as we have been told.
- hillbillydeluxe

League Average goaltending is really easy to find, but exceptional goalies (which I at least at the time thought Schneider to be, and he may still be) are so rare that when you have one, It's hard to get fair value for them, so you are better off keeping them.

Like I said, in the end, in 2017 the Canucks are better off with Horvat, as they are at least 3-4 years from being serious contenders and Schneider would be 35/36 by then - the timing was probably just wrong for him and Vancouver, (and it's also wrong for him and NJ)

The Canucks have such a long history of average to terrible goalies, that it sucks to think that they had Luongo and Schneider overlap at pretty much the same time,

Carey Price 2008-2013 was entirely league average

His play since then has been elite, although as a comparison to Schneider in terms of the team in front of him Schneider's numbers may be more impressive as the Devils have been all time terrible
- PensWin87

No. Here's a quick look at the beginning of their pro careers.

Carey Price: drafted 5th overall
2007-08: To the surprise of some, Price actually broke camp with the Canadiens during this season. He very quickly turned those doubters into believers, and finished the season as the club's unquestioned number-one goalie. He played in 41 games, posting a 21-12-3 record behind a .920 save percentage and 2.56 GAA, and was named to the NHL's all-rookie team. His first playoff appearance in the NHL was a study in contrasts — at times he showed the elite talent and composure he has; at others, he started to show the impact playing so many games over the past two years has had on his fatigue level.

Cory Schneider: drafted 26th overall
2007-08: After a terrible opening to his first pro season with the Manitoba Moose, Schneider rebounded in the second half and finished with very strong numbers, including a 2.28 GAA and impressive .916 save percentage.

League Average goaltending is really easy to find, but exceptional goalies (which I at least at the time thought Schneider to be, and he may still be) are so rare that when you have one, It's hard to get fair value for them, so you are better off keeping them.

Like I said, in the end, in 2017 the Canucks are better off with Horvat, as they are at least 3-4 years from being serious contenders and Schneider would be 35/36 by then - the timing was probably just wrong for him and Vancouver, (and it's also wrong for him and NJ)

The Canucks have such a long history of average to terrible goalies, that it sucks to think that they had Luongo and Schneider overlap at pretty much the same time,
- PensWin87

Weren't you here for Booner's throat?
- A_SteamingLombardi

sorry, I can't remember that thread.

stop hovering your ass over mirrors

fekin dog days of summer. pls. no pics.
- hillbillydeluxe

Too late...