I was mainly saying that to your point about playoffs... to add to it:

Yes Getzlaf made the playoffs; which he played pretty damn good in. 19 pts in 17 games I believe. However, if Ducks don't make playoffs or if Getzlaf doesn't perform the way he did in playoffs, I bet there are some pretty damn pissed off Ducks fan asking about his performance/contract.

Regardless, I think comparing G and Getzlaf is pretty difficult considering they are completely different styled players/centermen.
- arichardson22

I get you.

I would probably be more pissed at Corey Perry if I was a ducks fan.

It is hard to compare them. but looking at Giroux that's why i fear is decline. It's not like he can rely on strength if he loses a step or he has this great speed that losing a step only brings him back to the back. If you get what i mean.

I blame management for imbalance in that equation.
- Scoob

You can barely fault management for Giroux's contract. It was not a bad contract at the time.

That Elite player you are infatuated with has also had his seasons where he didn't live up to expectations. Including a season similar to the one Giroux just struggled in at a similar age. That's my point. Have a little faith in your own players instead of looking over the fence at the greener grass. It grows differently every season.
- Baxter27

Look at you growing grass on both sides of the fence.

Nice analogy.

You can barely fault management for Giroux's contract. It was not a bad contract at the time.
- YuenglingJagr

I thought Vorachek's was more of a reach.

Agreed, massively different hairlines...don't let anyone tell you that isn't important
- YuenglingJagr

I always do call him Egg Head when he's on the TV and I feel like yelling.

I get you.

I would probably be more pissed at Corey Perry if I was a ducks fan.

It is hard to compare them. but looking at Giroux that's why i fear is decline. It's not like he can rely on strength if he loses a step or he has this great speed that losing a step only brings him back to the back. If you get what i mean.
- J35Bacher

This isn't personal, but i will never understand fans like you

Pissed at Corey Perry? Stanley Cup champion, 50-goal scorer, Olympian, top line RW for a number of years, part of team that has won five straight divisional titles?

Niw that he is getting older, you think it's cool to get pissed?

Man. I don't get fans like you

Giroux and Voracek will have the 12th and 13th highest cap hits in the NHL this upcoming season. Last season the 12th highest point total was 74. I think that 74 points is still very realistic for both players. Especially if they can up there 5on5 points to acceptable outputs.

This isn't personal, but i will never understand fans like you

Pissed at Corey Perry? Stanley Cup champion, 50-goal scorer, Olympian, top line RW for a number of years, part of team that has won five straight divisional titles?

Niw that he is getting older, you think it's cool to get pissed?

Man. I don't get fans like you
- AllInForFlyers

Did you back read?

the statement was about Ducks fans being pissed at Getzlaf for putting up points but not making the playoffs this year?

Being a Duck fan I would be more pissed about Perry's down season compared to what Getzlaf did.

But you are right. they did win a cup so that buys some leeway.

I would feel the same about Giroux. If we had a cup, it would by some leeway when he has a down season.

You can barely fault management for Giroux's contract. It was not a bad contract at the time.
- YuenglingJagr

Nobody complained about it "at the time"
Now is a different story

I get you.

I would probably be more pissed at Corey Perry if I was a ducks fan.

It is hard to compare them. but looking at Giroux that's why i fear is decline. It's not like he can rely on strength if he loses a step or he has this great speed that losing a step only brings him back to the back. If you get what i mean.
- J35Bacher

Yeah I know what you mean. It's def a concern, but I'm not ready to go full-on worry mode yet. This season will be very telling for Giroux (imo). But yeah I'd def be more concerned and angry with Perry if Ducks fan, first time not getting 20 goals in a while (not including lockout year). But at the same time, a lot of key guys had "down years". Kopitar is another big name big contract guy who had a bad year (and no playoffs). His +\- took a reaaaaally big dive.

I think the model we all want to hope for with Giroux is that his path follows Steve Yzerman's with DET. In the late 80s and into the 90s, he was a elite scorer but the Wings weren't good enough around him for them to go anywhere and were never serious contenders while he was at the top of his scoring game. Fortunately for DET fans, as Yzerman's numbers faded, the team was built up and he was able to be a different kind of contributor to three cup winners in his 30s.

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ats/pdisplay.php?pid=5844

Giroux and Voracek will have the 12th and 13th highest cap hits in the NHL this upcoming season. Last season the 12th highest point total was 74. I think that 74 points is still very realistic for both players. Especially if they can up there 5on5 points to acceptable outputs.
- mickel25

It's easy to forget, but Giroux and Voracek, hell and even the Flyers goal totals/scoring, were all top of the league to begin the season last year. Just wasn't consistent or maintained.

I think the model we all want to hope for with Giroux is that his path follows Steve Yzerman's with DET. In the late 80s and into the 90s, he was a elite scorer but the Wings weren't good enough around him for them to go anywhere and were never serious contenders while he was at the top of his scoring game. Fortunately for DET fans, as Yzerman's numbers faded, the team was built up and he was able to be a different kind of contributor to three cup winners in his 30s.

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ats/pdisplay.php?pid=5844
- fls13

Problem is that with the salary cap, money matters. At that time you could just go spend to fix any mistakes.

I do hope that added talent and depth help Giroux this year.

the loudmouth and boor contingent in Philly -- often fancying themselves tough and knowledgeable -- often seem to happiest being unhappy and proudly ignorant.
- bmeltzer

Like I said: certain people (including a handful on here) aren't truly happy unless they have loads of stuff to complain about.

I think the model we all want to hope for with Giroux is that his path follows Steve Yzerman's with DET. In the late 80s and into the 90s, he was a elite scorer but the Wings weren't good enough around him for them to go anywhere and were never serious contenders while he was at the top of his scoring game. Fortunately for DET fans, as Yzerman's numbers faded, the team was built up and he was able to be a different kind of contributor to three cup winners in his 30s.

http://www.hockeydb.com/i...ats/pdisplay.php?pid=5844
- fls13

I think we will, if we are lucky, see something like that

This isn't personal, but i will never understand fans like you

Pissed at Corey Perry? Stanley Cup champion, 50-goal scorer, Olympian, top line RW for a number of years, part of team that has won five straight divisional titles?

Niw that he is getting older, you think it's cool to get pissed?

Man. I don't get fans like you
- AllInForFlyers

Corey Perry is a huge j/o who only cares about himself and picks his spots.

Very talented, but one of my least favorite players in the league. Loved it when he fought big bad Pavel Datsyuk and got beat up.

Nobody complained about it "at the time"
Now is a different story
- Scoob

If you sign every contract to protect yourself if a guy randomly declines immediately after the prime of his career, you're gonna end up overpaying just as much to keep people on the team.

He needs to improve at even strength, but for everything else he does for the team it really isn't that bad of a contract. Couple that with the fact that he was signed for market price at the time, you can't really say they should've done anything differently.

They aren't idiots for signing Giroux to that contract just as they aren't geniuses for signing Simmonds to his. Timing is everything

Problem is that with the salary cap, money matters. At that time you could just go spend to fix any mistakes.

I do hope that added talent and depth help Giroux this year.
- J35Bacher

I know DET got more active in UFA later on, but for that 97 team that swept the Flyers, I think they only went out and made big trades for Shanahan and Vernon to bolster the team. They drafted and developed most of that team.

If you sign every contract to protect yourself if a guy randomly declines immediately after the prime of his career, you're gonna end up overpaying just as much to keep people on the team.

He needs to improve at even strength, but for everything else he does for the team it really isn't that bad of a contract. Couple that with the fact that he was signed for market price at the time, you can't really say they should've done anything differently.

They aren't idiots for signing Giroux to that contract just as they aren't geniuses for signing Simmonds to his. Timing is everything
- YuenglingJagr

Exactly -- what were we gonna do? Let Giroux walk?

58 points isn't what anybody wants, but if he can come in at 55-65 points for 3-5 more seasons, i will take it

If you sign every contract to protect yourself if a guy randomly declines immediately after the prime of his career, you're gonna end up overpaying just as much to keep people on the team.

He needs to improve at even strength, but for everything else he does for the team it really isn't that bad of a contract. Couple that with the fact that he was signed for market price at the time, you can't really say they should've done anything differently.

They aren't idiots for signing Giroux to that contract just as they aren't geniuses for signing Simmonds to his. Timing is everything
- YuenglingJagr

Your right. It's tough.

I think the thing with Giroux is he could be declining sooner then expected. I belive they thought they had more time before he would start to decline. but also getting patrick has changed some things.

I'm hoping he comes in healthy and has a bounce back season. I'm also not going to be upset if ever gets traded should he continue to struggle. It's almost not even worth discussing it because you'd just be getting pennies on the dollar.

I know DET got more active in UFA later on, but for that 97 team that swept the Flyers, I think they only went out and made big trades for Shanahan and Vernon to bolster the team. They drafted and developed most of that team.
- fls13

Fetisov, Larionov, and Murphy were big contributors that year (Murphy for the playoffs). So yes, they drafted most of them, but those were some big pieces they added.

For Giroux to get separation, he needs a wing who can eat up defenders. When he was playing with Jagr, he was amazing. I like Jake, but he is not that guy. Different linemates might be the tonic he needs.

Exactly -- what were we gonna do? Let Giroux walk?

58 points isn't what anybody wants, but if he can come in at 55-65 points for 3-5 more seasons, i will take it
- AllInForFlyers

This is a big year.

Does Giroux recover? Does Voracek recover?

What can Patrick and Lindblom bring?

We could actually see the possible beginning of 2 top line players. If that happens could giroux then be moved in the off season? What do you do if he doesn't recover and has another down season while others seems to have solid seasons.

This season could be interesting.

For Giroux to get separation, he needs a wing who can eat up defenders. When he was playing with Jagr, he was amazing. I like Jake, but he is not that guy. Different linemates might be the tonic he needs.
- hockeyal

Can you describe this a little more? What exactly did Jagr do to eat up defenders that Jake doesn't do?