Reading comprehension is a skill you're not very good at, which is surprising given your impressive ability for statistical analysis.

To help you out, I'll simplify. My first post on the topic DID NOT single him out and in fact was after a couple other posters replied to his post so it was not obvious it was directed at him. I made the post generic expressly for the purpose to not point at one individual.

My second post did single him out for the reason I gave in my reply to you.

As for being a hypocrite, I've readily admitted in the past that I've allowed myself to get drawn into political and other hot button topics not germane to this blog and I've offered mea culpas when those occasions called for it. So, I'm not pure as the driven snow - but I'm no hypocrite - I admit when I was wrong for doing what I call for others to not do. I'm never tried to hide my "sins".
- EbonyRaptor

Clarity is something you should strive for in the future then if you don't want others to misread. I strive for that myself, often, especially as I can be verbose. I only called you out for the second post which was directed and tried to 'shame' him specifically, since he wasn't the one that derailed into politics. All he did was bring up a topic that is relevant to the NHL and then responded to those who offered politics.

And you did further the conversation, whether you added political commentary or not. I don't really understand the thought process behind trying to call anyone out when all you want is for the topic to die. Just ignore it or keep the calls for "no politics" general.

Except for my first post here - which, as Lady said, had hockey content (the Red Wings logo) - my messages have been responses to other posters.

At my age, I will play the "dotty old man" card - I will continue to post in response to what I consider to incorrect messages concerning racist and anti-Semitic issues.

If you don't think Steve Bannon is a racist - consider that he was the main power at Breitbart, which he turned into a forum and a home for spreading the alt-right message. If the so-called alt-right (a very politically correct term, BTW) was EVER more than an coming together of racists and anti-Semites, then it has been completely taken over by the Richard Spencers, David Dukes, Milo Yiannopoulos and others - Spencer and Dukes were in Charlottesville, leading the followers carrying racist and nazi emblems, shouting "Blood and Soil" and "You will never replace me - JEW will never replace me...."

If you don't think that Sebastian Gorka is an anti-Semite, he has been strongly linked to - and has been shown to have membership in - right-wing fascist anti-Semitic Hungarian (his native land) groups, which he illegally did not disclose on his immigration and citizenship applications.

If you don't think the John Sessions is a racist - well, here I'm on lesser grounds - but he is strongly anti-immigrant (illegal or not), and strongly opposed to the necessary civil rights and voting rights regulations that the Justice department has followed for several administrations.

Those were the ones I called racist and anti-Semitic - if you disagree, OK - to be arrogant, you're wrong.

Now, if you don't like my posting messages like these - then give me arguments with some logic and facts behind them - not personal attacks on me or on anyone defending me (Lady's reading comprehension is pretty good, BTW - better than most).

Or - don't respond at all.

BTW - I'm still waiting for Spanky to define who "APAC" is - I have an idea which group he is referring to, but I would like confirmation.
- StLBravesFan

Well I guess it's all about you. Typical. Post whatever you want regardless that it is against the CoC and others have pleaded to not do it. You just can't control yourself - I get it.

Unfortunately, my only recourse is to leave which I really don't want to do because I enjoy talking Hawks hockey and JJ's is the best interactive site for Hawks talk. So I'm left with a lose/lose dilemma - either leave this site and lose a favorite place to come for Hawks hockey talk or lose by having to suffer people like you who fool themselves by thinking others are interested in their version of the facts and political opinion.

I'll bet L-B-R would think me a hypocrite if I didn't stick to my principles and leave this site ... and I certainly wouldn't want that.

Clarity is something you should strive for in the future then if you don't want others to misread. I strive for that myself, often, especially as I can be verbose. I only called you out for the second post which was directed and tried to 'shame' him specifically, since he wasn't the one that derailed into politics. All he did was bring up a topic that is relevant to the NHL and then responded to those who offered politics.

And you did further the conversation, whether you added political commentary or not. I don't really understand the thought process behind trying to call anyone out when all you want is for the topic to die. Just ignore it or keep the calls for "no politics" general.
- L_B_R

Who is being hypocritical now? Hilarious.

Well I guess it's all about you. Typical. Post whatever you want regardless that it is against the CoC and others have pleaded to not do it. You just can't control yourself - I get it.

Unfortunately, my only recourse is to leave which I really don't want to do because I enjoy talking Hawks hockey and JJ's is the best interactive site for Hawks talk. So I'm left with a lose/lose dilemma - either leave this site and lose a favorite place to come for Hawks hockey talk or lose by having to suffer people like you who fool themselves by thinking others are interested in their version of the facts and political opinion.

I'll bet L-B-R would think me a hypocrite if I didn't stick to my principles and leave this site ... and I certainly wouldn't want that.
- EbonyRaptor

Gee - what power I have - getting an old-timer like you to leave.

I do not want to do that.

In fact - if there were ANY hockey news or gossip going on, I'm betting that NONE of us would have been as much politico as we have: I certainly would rather post hockey stuff that not.

So - don't leave - just ignore me.

Yes, Mags - I fear that is who he was referencing.

While I am a strong supporter of the state of Israel, I don't support AIPAC's views on the policies of its current government - and I wonder why Spanky would bring that up.
- StLBravesFan

Well., if he brought it up for some negative reason lets see if he has the balls to explain. How about it Spanky

Well., if he brought it up for some negative reason lets see if he has the balls to explain. How about it Spanky
- Maggie

By the way as I have been a active member for a number of years I also don't support the current government and will be resigning from Aipac

Who is being hypocritical now? Hilarious.
- EbonyRaptor

Lol I'm not the one calling for the conversation to end - I'm fine with politics being discussed here as long as it's related to the NHL. If a lot of people say no, I'm chill to stop, but in general it's fine to me. I mean, It's the dead of the summer and no one is being forced to participate in a particular discussion. Personally, I just go away and come back later if there's a topic being talked about that idgaf.

I'll bet L-B-R would think me a hypocrite if I didn't stick to my principles and leave this site ... and I certainly wouldn't want that.
- EbonyRaptor

I'm ambivalent about you and your principles so I don't particularly care if you stay or go. That's not meant to be rude or mean (so apologies for the bluntness), I'm just a live and let live kinda gal, so once this conversation is done, I'm going to leave it closed and I'll move on.

Yes, Mags - I fear that is who he was referencing.

While I am a strong supporter of the state of Israel, I don't support AIPAC's views on the policies of its current government - and I wonder why Spanky would bring that up.
- StLBravesFan

Sage, we ALL know why he brought it up ....

I have not made political comments in this thread so your comment that I'm doing the same thing while maintaining neutrality in nonsensical. I tried to do what was essentially a PSA for the betterment of all those who come here for an escape from political topics. The reason I singled him out, other than it would be a tedious task to post some boilerplate PSA to every comment that crossed into political commentary, is because his post was the most incendiary by accusing specific individuals of racism. The other comments were more generic responses, his had the express objective of heightening the dialogue.

I post on other sites that are dedicated to current events, politics, ideology, etc, so I'm in favor of debate on all of the above, but this isn't the appropriate place for those topics. You want to express your opinion on anything that moves you - good, go do it, but don't do it here where many of us come to get away from that sh|t.
- EbonyRaptor

Your choice to only reply to his comment, and ignore the "generic" ones, that weren't generic at all, they specifically called out a political issue or side, shows an inherent bias while pleading for neutrality and abstinence from any discussion, so it is also incendiary in its own way. So is including small jabs at peoples character and reading comprehension. If you truly wanted this to be neutral and free of side picking and politics, you could have just made a plea to all users and not singled out one user on his side, while ignoring the other 2 that were clearly on the opposite side. See what I'm getting at? I too would like to avoid the political drama, but I'm not picking on a specific side or insulting anyone.

Sage, we ALL know why he brought it up ....
- Hank_Greenberg

Hank, lets say I am naive, why did he bring it up and I hope its not why I think

We've talked about the potential back issue that slowed Toews last year. IMO, it appeared that Johhny did not have the jump or stamina in his legs that made him a force for most of his career pre-2016. He did not have the explosiveness in his strides that he had from 2008-2015. I think it comes down to training and re-committment to excellence that may have taken a step back after winning his 3rd cup. I dont doubt that the back injury had an effect, but Toews was never the most talented player.....he was the hardest working.

We've talked about the potential back issue that slowed Toews last year. IMO, it appeared that Johhny did not have the jump or stamina in his legs that made him a force for most of his career pre-2016. He did not have the explosiveness in his strides that he had from 2008-2015. I think it comes down to training and re-committment to excellence that may have taken a step back after winning his 3rd cup. I dont doubt that the back injury had an effect, but Toews was never the most talented player.....he was the hardest working.
- EnzoD

Having suffered through back problems for many years myself, they can really affect things like jump, explosiveness and balance. As you correctly note, Enzo, those were the things that made Toews excel, and without them, he was not as effective. Here's hoping that he -- and Keith -- can recover their past form, because without that, the Hawks will not go far in the playoffs.

Nothing to say about Charlottesville as it pertains to hockey unless you have a problem with the trademark laws and think that "Detroit right wings " should be able to use nhl trademarked property.

As far as the 2018 draft being pulled from Dallas because the nhl is blackmailing the Texas state legislature by moving their festivities. I will never by another nhl product again if they stick to this. Today it's the toilet issue. Tomorrow it's gun rights. Next year it's free speech. Stay out of politics nhl or go back to Canada.

That's all.

I sure hope Toews has a better year. I'm sick of hearing those non-Chicago folk make fun of Toew's contract. He definitely did not look 100% last year.

Unrelated, got a box of 2013-2014 Score hockey cards for my birthday over the weekend. Opened 18 of the packs only got one Kane, a Stahlberg, a Krueger, a Bolland and an Oduya. Must have short packed the Hawks. The Golden Ticket for the Score cards is a line of auto'd cards including a Kane. Looked on eBay and the Score Kane auto is 79 bucks and found a lot of Kane authentic auto cards from Upper Deck and other companies. Those collectibles are awesome because no question the autos are real. Contemplating spending the fortune (for me) to get one of the auto Kane cards... I still have 18 packs to open though on the Score cards.

Maybe the nhl will decide they will only play in "sanctuary cities ". Wouldn't that be nice.

Shut up and play hockey nhl.

Maybe the nhl will decide they will only play in "sanctuary cities ". Wouldn't that be nice.

Shut up and play hockey nhl.
- hocktock

And Go 'Hawks!!

(And I already miss Hossa😢)

Nothing to say about Charlottesville as it pertains to hockey unless you have a problem with the trademark laws and think that "Detroit right wings " should be able to use nhl trademarked property.

As far as the 2018 draft being pulled from Dallas because the nhl is blackmailing the Texas state legislature by moving their festivities. I will never by another nhl product again if they stick to this. Today it's the toilet issue. Tomorrow it's gun rights. Next year it's free speech. Stay out of politics nhl or go back to Canada.

That's all.
- hocktock

That's not how a democracy works. If there's a particular issue or law that is hurting/affecting people and a group or individual feels strongly about it, they speak up, or boycott, or protest... that's what being free is about. You are, however, free to boycott them under the same rights they they have to boycott that state.

That's not how a democracy works. If there's a particular issue or law that is hurting/affecting people and a group or individual feels strongly about it, they speak up, or boycott, or protest... that's what being free is about. You are, however, free to boycott them under the same rights they they have to boycott that state.
- JRoenick97

Well, when they come for you, I hope there is someone left to speak up.

Republic

Well, when they come for you, I hope there is someone left to speak up.

Republic
- hocktock

lol

Well, when they come for you, I hope there is someone left to speak up.

Republic
- hocktock

The irony of your statement is not lost on me.

Nothing to say about Charlottesville as it pertains to hockey unless you have a problem with the trademark laws and think that "Detroit right wings " should be able to use nhl trademarked property.

As far as the 2018 draft being pulled from Dallas because the nhl is blackmailing the Texas state legislature by moving their festivities. I will never by another nhl product again if they stick to this. Today it's the toilet issue. Tomorrow it's gun rights. Next year it's free speech. Stay out of politics nhl or go back to Canada.

That's all.
- hocktock

I love the NHL's stance on the Dallas situation. I am going to buy even more NHL product to offset your failure to. That's all.

Except for my first post here - which, as Lady said, had hockey content (the Red Wings logo) - my messages have been responses to other posters.

At my age, I will play the "dotty old man" card - I will continue to post in response to what I consider to incorrect messages concerning racist and anti-Semitic issues.

If you don't think Steve Bannon is a racist - consider that he was the main power at Breitbart, which he turned into a forum and a home for spreading the alt-right message. If the so-called alt-right (a very politically correct term, BTW) was EVER more than an coming together of racists and anti-Semites, then it has been completely taken over by the Richard Spencers, David Dukes, Milo Yiannopoulos and others - Spencer and Dukes were in Charlottesville, leading the followers carrying racist and nazi emblems, shouting "Blood and Soil" and "You will never replace me - JEW will never replace me...."

If you don't think that Sebastian Gorka is an anti-Semite, he has been strongly linked to - and has been shown to have membership in - right-wing fascist anti-Semitic Hungarian (his native land) groups, which he illegally did not disclose on his immigration and citizenship applications.

If you don't think the John Sessions is a racist - well, here I'm on lesser grounds - but he is strongly anti-immigrant (illegal or not), and strongly opposed to the necessary civil rights and voting rights regulations that the Justice department has followed for several administrations.

Those were the ones I called racist and anti-Semitic - if you disagree, OK - to be arrogant, you're wrong.

Now, if you don't like my posting messages like these - then give me arguments with some logic and facts behind them - not personal attacks on me or on anyone defending me (Lady's reading comprehension is pretty good, BTW - better than most).

Or - don't respond at all.

BTW - I'm still waiting for Spanky to define who "APAC" is - I have an idea which group he is referring to, but I would like confirmation.
- StLBravesFan

I choose this option, as I come here to get away from this stuff. Even though I'd love to, I won't.

And as it looks like its never going to end, I'm outta here, see you all when it goes back to a Hawks blog - come on JJ........no Butcher or Kerfoot rumors.

See ya's on the other side.

That's not how a democracy works. If there's a particular issue or law that is hurting/affecting people and a group or individual feels strongly about it, they speak up, or boycott, or protest... that's what being free is about. You are, however, free to boycott them under the same rights they they have to boycott that state.
- JRoenick97

Well said.

I choose this option, as I come here to get away from this stuff. Even though I'd love to, I won't.
- vabeachbear

Agree. Since coming back from Japan, it's all I hear and see. Regardless of the view, everyone on this board would be high-fiving each other when the Hawks score in game 1 of any series. Everyone would be holding their kid up to the glass during warm-ups. Everyone would enjoy a beer together during a game at BW3. Much of it has to do that we are in a lull between action but there is definitely name calling, over-generalizing and taking things much too close to the heart on both sides. Best here is to agree to disagree I think and focus animosity at that troll of a Pred fan that was posting here after we lost in game 4.

We've talked about the potential back issue that slowed Toews last year. IMO, it appeared that Johhny did not have the jump or stamina in his legs that made him a force for most of his career pre-2016. He did not have the explosiveness in his strides that he had from 2008-2015. I think it comes down to training and re-committment to excellence that may have taken a step back after winning his 3rd cup. I dont doubt that the back injury had an effect, but Toews was never the most talented player.....he was the hardest working.
- EnzoD

He had those good two weeks around February last season. It seemed like he had a bounce in his legs that had been missing. Then it went away. Back injury makes sense. I also wonder about concussions. Hopefully he's 100% this year and back in the upper echelon of NHL centers.