Canucks need more skill players like Pettersson, not a lot of pure skill guys in the system yet. IMO you can't win unless you have those guys. Thus the draft and develop for me and why I keep beating that drum.
- LeftCoaster

They have to stay the course. Good drafting has been the best way to have cup calibre teams.
Several months ago you and I brought up teams like Montreal of 70s, Islanders of 80s, WingsDevils and Avs of 90s/00s. The Penguins twice.
All great teams that got most of their high end players through draft and topped up through trades and free-agency.

Im really not sure why anyone thinks tavares is signing here
- SMBDragon

I'd sign him if he was available as a ufa.

wouldn't trade for him because we would lose any depth we just built up. but for sure you take a run at any ufa like that. keep drafting and developing though.

They have to stay the course. Good drafting has been the best way to have cup calibre teams.
Several months ago you and I brought up teams like Montreal of 70s, Islanders of 80s, WingsDevils and Avs of 90s/00s. The Penguins twice.
All great teams that got most of their high end players through draft and topped up through trades and free-agency.
- Reubenkincade

Yep...once you build a core through the draft you can then surround them with players to compliment them.

I'd sign him if he was available as a ufa.

wouldn't trade for him because we would lose any depth we just built up. but for sure you take a run at any ufa like that. keep drafting and developing though.
- hillbillydeluxe

well ya you sign him IF you can. But the point was why are some people convinced he's absolutely signing here?

well ya you sign him IF you can. But the point was why are some people convinced he's absolutely signing here?
- SMBDragon

Dog days of summer dawg.
I don't think anyone actually believes JT would sign here, just fun to toss around.
The people need something to cling to!

well ya you sign him IF you can. But the point was why are some people convinced he's absolutely signing here?
- SMBDragon

I don't think anyone in their right-mind is convinced he's signing here?

I don't think anyone in their right-mind is convinced he's signing here?
- LeftCoaster

Are you suggesting that some on here are not 'right-minded' ??

Dog days of summer dawg.
I don't think anyone actually believes JT would sign here, just fun to toss around.
The people need something to cling to!
- dbot

I'm still holding out for a call from Katrina Kaif.

Are you suggesting that some on here are not 'right-minded' ??
- dbot

Maybe...

Yep...once you build a core through the draft you can then surround them with players to compliment them.
- LeftCoaster

Taking the above and your previous posts it sounds so easy. Why can't 31 teams just tank when their players are past their prime and rebuild through the draft. Then adding complimentary role players after years of suckage. You could have different cup winners trading spots on a yearly basis from that formula.

But not sure if what you call the drum you like to beat is the music to success. The variables and minutia of creating a winner seems like an orchestra of a plan is needed for things to work. How about accounting for the many different factors that are in constant play. That require simultaneous varied paths to all at once converge with some luck and timing to boot.

Building through the draft, developing and then adding complimentary players is a good basic platform. But it needs a lot of layers and overlay at the same time. From trades to signings. Coaching to prospect induction. Plus a whole lot more that would take volumes to deduce.

But hey we could just say all these GM's are morons and can't follow the simple plan. All they need to do is wait for years for mulitple high draft picks and players to develop before taking any action. It's fool proof. So if it works why wouldn't they all be doing it and winning?

Taking the above and your previous posts it sounds so easy. Why can't 31 teams just tank when their players are past their prime and rebuild. You could have different cup winners trading spots on a yearly basis from that formula.

But not sure if what you call the drum you like to beat is the music to success. The variables and minutia of creating a winner seems like an orchestra of a plan is needed for things to work. How about accounting for the many different factors that are on constant play. That require simultaneous paths to all at once converge with some luck and timing to boot.

Building through the draft, developing and then adding complimentary players is a good basic platform. But it needs a lot of layers and overlay at the same time. From trades to signings. Coaching to prospect induction. Plus a whole lot more that would take volumes to deduce.

But hey we could just say all these GM's are morons and can't follow the simple plan. All they need to do is wait for years for mulitple high draft picks and players to develop before taking any action.
- Nuck4U

you just simply cannot help yourself in over-complicating everything you touch. It's just a simple statement on building a core through the draft, nowhere did I say or imply this is an easy task, it clearly isn't.

All successful teams do it though, even the Canucks did it with the Sedins, Kesler, Edler, Bieksa, Hansen, Schneider, Raymond, Burrows (not drafted but brought up in their system) etc. etc.

Committing to that platform is the most difficult part.

Canucks need more skill players like Pettersson, not a lot of pure skill guys in the system yet. IMO you can't win unless you have those guys. Thus the draft and develop for me and why I keep beating that drum.
- LeftCoaster

You are totally right but we also desperately need more kids like Gaudette and Lockwood. Both of these kids have heart and intelligence like Bo

You are totally right but we also desperately need more kids like Gaudette and Lockwood. Both of these kids have heart and intelligence like Bo
- CanuckDon

For sure, those kids are still great picks, however, you just cannot win imo without two or three pure skilled guys.

I'd sign him if he was available as a ufa.

wouldn't trade for him because we would lose any depth we just built up. but for sure you take a run at any ufa like that. keep drafting and developing though.
- hillbillydeluxe

Too bad we r prolly 1-2yrs of being ready for JT.
IF he considered us D would need to be the ticket & thats asking a lot.
Only way we can show we can be interesting is keeping pucks outta the net.
The PP & PK both would have to be keys to getting there.
We have the forwards to entice JT but not a total team that puts us in on him.
In goal we look weak & without some huge D corp performance we r SOL

I'd sign him if he was available as a ufa.

wouldn't trade for him because we would lose any depth we just built up. but for sure you take a run at any ufa like that. keep drafting and developing though.
- hillbillydeluxe

I truly believe signing Taveras would be catastrophic. We would have to give a massive term and an overpayment. Literally one of the dumbest things a team in our position could do. It's a short cut that would be a disaster. Draft and develop. Thank God he is too smart to sign here

For sure, those kids are still great picks, however, you just cannot win imo without two or three pure skilled guys.
- LeftCoaster

We are getting close! We need a big draft in 2018

I truly believe signing Taveras would be catastrophic. We would have to give a massive term and an overpayment. Literally one of the dumbest things a team in our position could do. It's a short cut that would be a disaster. Draft and develop. Thank God he is too smart to sign here
- CanuckDon

I agree its a short cut with big risk.
The team needs to be trending up much better & sooner.

you just simply cannot help yourself in over-complicating everything you touch. It's just a simple statement on building a core through the draft, nowhere did I say or imply this is an easy task, it clearly isn't.

Committing to that platform is the most difficult part.
- LeftCoaster

Well it may be amusing but just shining some light on what I thought was missing. Plus, no I don't think what you said was easy. Also, to be clear, I believe in building through the draft. Though I am against the tank model for many reasons including the harm to development.

So the formula was just commitment to the platform. Like putting a cake in the oven and waiting for it to rise. Then it would be followed by all the GM's. They sell to ownership this is fool proof. Saves money. Market hope. They get the 10 year contract and the results to commitment will have success.

Therfore, my counter to ponder, is that it is complicated and not just a commitment to the platform. It seems you need more moves at the same time then just using the draft tool to build that core.

We are getting close! We need a big draft in 2018
- CanuckDon

If Pettersson is the real deal as a #1 center, then him and Bo as your number 1 & 2 centers is a very good start. But we don't know if he's the real deal so you have to keep drafting centers. Great teams have great depth down the middle.

Well it may be amusing but just shining some light on what I thought was missing. Plus, no I don't think what you said was easy. Also, to be clear, I believe in building through the draft. Though I am against the tank model for many reasons including the harm to development.

Thus, if the formula was just commitment. Like putting a cake in the oven and waiting for it to rise then it would be followed by all the GM's. They sell to ownership this is fool proof. Saves money. Market hope. They get the 10 year contract and the results to commitment will have success.

Therfore, my counter to ponder, is that it is complicated and not just a commitment to the platform. It seems you need more moves at the same time then just using the draft tool to build that core.
- Nuck4U

I shouldn't have to go into a NU longwinded explanation on what has to come along with a simple statement like you need to build a core through the draft. People aren't stupid in here, well some are lol, some information can be inferred. It's not a place for longwinded explanations, there's some smart hockey people in here, they understand the rest of the story!

If the Sedins would agree to go to another team for a TDL cup run & fetch missing pieces to lure JT would be a 1st priority to get in the game.

Could the Sedins fetch a good top 4 D from Nashville or?
Would that be interesting?

If the Sedins would agree to go to another team for a TDL cup run & fetch missing pieces to lure JT would be a 1st priority to get in the game.

Could the Sedins fetch a good top 4 D from Nashville or?
Would that be interesting?
- Nighthawk

Sedins aren't playing anywhere else/

I shouldn't have to go into a NU longwinded explanation on what has to come along with a simple statement like you need to build a core through the draft. People aren't stupid in here, well some are lol, some information can be inferred. It's not a place for longwinded explanations, there's some smart hockey people in here, they understand the rest of the story!
- LeftCoaster

It's the accumulation of posts with the message that you drum that seems too simple to be true.

Sedins aren't playing anywhere else/
- LeftCoaster

Operative word....IF
for the team & UFA after the PO's.

Impossible other than not likely?
Any hypothetical chance at all?

If the Sedins would agree to go to another team for a TDL cup run & fetch missing pieces to lure JT would be a 1st priority to get in the game.

Could the Sedins fetch a good top 4 D from Nashville or?
Would that be interesting?
- Nighthawk

I see where you are going with this and nice try. But it's a hard sell to get the Sedins to part and someone to trade for both of them.

You get it that there are multiple moving parts at the same time to build a core then just drafting, sucking and waiting.