Give us Sam Bennett.
- BINGO!

Carolina has nothing we need. Why don't you guys just offer sheet Draisaitl already?

No thanks, I'd rather just keep what we have. Bennett is due for a break out year and we'd be trading him when his value is at its lowest.

We should be keeping all of our high end defense prospects. I feel fairly safe saying that at least 1 of those guys (Fox, Rass, Kylington, Valimaki) is going to develop into something pretty good.


If we have holes in our lineup when those guys are ready to contribute we can either trade one of them or trade one of our already established guys and let the young guys take their spot.
- Saskabush

Bennett's a 3rd line centre with 26 pts Pastrnak's a 1st line winger with 70 pts You're worried about selling low ?

Bennett's a 3rd line centre with 26 pts Pastrnak's a 1st line winger with 70 pts You're worried about selling low ?
- tincup

Bennett played primarily with Brouwer and Versteeg. Pastrnak played with 2 Canadian Olympians. One of them nearly won the Art Ross & Richard trophies, the other has a reputation of being the best 2-way forward in the world.

Not even close to being a fair comparison . Who knows how much points Bennett would have if he played on a line like that?

And yes, when we are casually throwing in a prospect who could very well turn into a #1 defenseman in a few years I am worried about us selling low.

Bennett's a 3rd line centre with 26 pts Pastrnak's a 1st line winger with 70 pts You're worried about selling low ?
- tincup

I'd hate to lose Bennett but man DP is only 21 and already quite good!

Bennett played primarily with Brouwer and Versteeg. Pastrnak played with 2 Canadian Olympians. One of them nearly won the Art Ross & Richard trophies, the other has a reputation of being the best 2-way forward in the world.

Not even close to being a fair comparison . Who knows how much points Bennett would have if he played on a line like that?

And yes, when we are casually throwing in a prospect who could very well turn into a #1 defenseman in a few years I am worried about us selling low.
- Saskabush

I also agree with this...

Carolina has nothing we need. Why don't you guys just offer sheet Draisaitl already?
- Saskabush

I honestly do not know.

Unless they don't want to spend any more money until the new ownership group takes over.

I honestly do not know.

Unless they don't want to spend any more money until the new ownership group takes over.
- BINGO!

I just looked at your guys' cap. (frank) you should be all over that offer sheet (assuming you have the draft picks).

$7,851,948 to $9,814,935 Two firsts, a second and third-round picks

Find a number between there and go for it. Carolina gets their number 1 centre and they'd probably be good enough to make those picks mid-rounders anyway. If I was a hurricanes fan I'd 100% be okay with that price tag for Draisaitl (also it would really piss the Oilers off so )

I just looked at your guys' cap. (frank) you should be all over that offer sheet (assuming you have the draft picks).

$7,851,948 to $9,814,935 Two firsts, a second and third-round picks

Find a number between there and go for it. Carolina gets their number 1 centre and they'd probably be good enough to make those picks mid-rounders anyway. If I was a hurricanes fan I'd 100% be okay with that price tag for Draisaitl (also it would really piss the Oilers off so )
- Saskabush

Yep Yep Yep.

Skinner - Draisaitl - Lindholm
Aho - Staal - Williams
Teravainen - Rask - Stempniak
Jooris - Kruger - Ryan

Yep Yep Yep.

Skinner - Draisaitl - Lindholm
Aho - Staal - Williams
Teravainen - Rask - Stempniak
Jooris - Kruger - Ryan


- BINGO!

- Saskabush

Hey you going to the Canes/Oilers game in Saskatoon?

I mean, probably not, because why would you? But if you do I've got an extra Hurricanes jersey I'll send your way.

Hey you going to the Canes/Oilers game in Saskatoon?

I mean, probably not, because why would you? But if you do I've got an extra Hurricanes jersey I'll send your way.
- BINGO!

I'll keep that in mind. If they end up sniping Draisaitl from the Oilers I think I'll have found my new team to cheer for in the east!

Bennett played primarily with Brouwer and Versteeg. Pastrnak played with 2 Canadian Olympians. One of them nearly won the Art Ross & Richard trophies, the other has a reputation of being the best 2-way forward in the world.

Not even close to being a fair comparison . Who knows how much points Bennett would have if he played on a line like that?

And yes, when we are casually throwing in a prospect who could very well turn into a #1 defenseman in a few years I am worried about us selling low.
- Saskabush

I stand by my comment. Using Bennett (and prospect) to get a 21 yr old, 1st line RW is not selling low. Of course the rumour of Pastrnak wanting over $7million is another matter.

Honestly, Bennett for Pastrnak is a trade I'd probably do. I've been quick to silence all of the Bennett trade talk this year, but for a guy like Pastrnak I think we could do it. He's a legit top line RW that fits right into our age group and would look really good next to Johnny and Mony. It might leave a hole in 3C but Janko could in theory slot in there or maybe even flex Lazar to 3C. We're deep in that regard.

So yeah, I wouldn't trade Bennett for many players, but Pastrnak just might be one of them.

Only issue is he's apparently asking for a lot of money. McDavid's contract is really skewing the RFA market this off-season and it's making things difficult fot a lot of teams (ironically including the Oilers). It's probably part of the reason Bennett is taking so long as well

Honestly, Bennett for Pastrnak is a trade I'd probably do. I've been quick to silence all of the Bennett trade talk this year, but for a guy like Pastrnak I think we could do it. He's a legit top line RW that fits right into our age group and would look really good next to Johnny and Mony. It might leave a hole in 3C but Janko could in theory slot in there or maybe even flex Lazar to 3C. We're deep in that regard.

So yeah, I wouldn't trade Bennett for many players, but Pastrnak just might be one of them.

Only issue is he's apparently asking for a lot of money. McDavid's contract is really skewing the RFA market this off-season and it's making things difficult fot a lot of teams (ironically including the Oilers). It's probably part of the reason Bennett is taking so long as well
- Helios

The trade was Bennett and Fox for Pastrnak, that's where I had the issue. I like Pastrnak but really, is his ceiling soo much higher than Bennett's that we'd have to include a potential #1 dman in the deal? He's had more success so far in his career, but look who he gets to play with.

Fox is looking like he could be something really special. I don't think people really understand how good he was last year as a true freshman.

I stand by my comment. Using Bennett (and prospect) to get a 21 yr old, 1st line RW is not selling low. Of course the rumour of Pastrnak wanting over $7million is another matter.
- tincup

We won't have many draft picks coming up the pipeline in the next few years. We need those guys. Sure Bennett and a lower prospect is a no-duh kind of deal. But when your talking about tossing in guys who could very well be the future cornerstones of this team then it is an over-payment.

I try to factor in what the players will/should become in the next few years. I think it's safe to say that Bennett is a top 6 calibre player. Our top 4 d-prospects all look like they have a pretty good chance to be top 4 dmen.

Essentially we'd be trading a young top 6 (former 4th overall pick) and a young top 4 dman for a 1RW. Pastrnak's good, but I don't think he's good enough to warrant that kind of payment.

For christ sakes, Adam Larsson got Taylor Hall. Seth Jones got Johansen. We would be adding Bennett to a deal that we could probably do a 1 for 1 swap for in a year or 2 if we just show a little patience.

The trade was Bennett and Fox for Pastrnak, that's where I had the issue. I like Pastrnak but really, is his ceiling soo much higher than Bennett's that we'd have to include a potential #1 dman in the deal? He's had more success so far in his career, but look who he gets to play with.

Fox is looking like he could be something really special. I don't think people really understand how good he was last year as a true freshman.
- Saskabush

Too bad he probably won't sign here...

Too bad he probably won't sign here...
- Clyde334

Thats the chance you take drafting college players.

Too bad he probably won't sign here...
- Clyde334

I have faith. If he keeps progressing at the rate he has been then I don't think he'd have the patience to play out his college eligibility.

Somebody in our top 4 right now will probably be dealt once our prospects prove they could handle the work load. I don't think we'd be able to afford to keep all of them, Brodie and Hamonic are going to be in line for hefty raises (especially if they perform as well as we all hope).

We won't have many draft picks coming up the pipeline in the next few years. We need those guys. Sure Bennett and a lower prospect is a no-duh kind of deal. But when your talking about tossing in guys who could very well be the future cornerstones of this team then it is an over-payment.

I try to factor in what the players will/should become in the next few years. I think it's safe to say that Bennett is a top 6 calibre player. Our top 4 d-prospects all look like they have a pretty good chance to be top 4 dmen.

Essentially we'd be trading a young top 6 (former 4th overall pick) and a young top 4 dman for a 1RW. Pastrnak's good, but I don't think he's good enough to warrant that kind of payment.

For christ sakes, Adam Larsson got Taylor Hall. Seth Jones got Johansen. We would be adding Bennett to a deal that we could probably do a 1 for 1 swap for in a year or 2 if we just show a little patience.
- Saskabush

Well 1st no he's not. Not yet. 2nd you're guessing and hoping that (A) Fox signs with us and (B) he actually becomes what you hope he can be. But that's the risk. You're trading away futures and possible top end guys for proven commodities. But those prospects may never become anything at the NHL level. Also, if you load the team with young signed top end players, there's no rush to have draft picks and prospects pan out.

I purposed the trade involving fox and Bennett because people were saying we don't have assets to get him from Boston.

I believe that Bennett and fox would definitely have Boston listening.

It's all a pipe dream anyway, but dam would the Flames have 2 of the best first lines in the NHL.

I purposed the trade involving fox and Bennett because people were saying we don't have assets to get him from Boston.

I believe that Bennett and fox would definitely have Boston listening.

It's all a pipe dream anyway, but dam would the Flames have 2 of the best first lines in the NHL.
- Yeah...Baby

I agree it's a pipedream. If Boston lets another young star get away, they'll be a lynch mop chasing Sweeney and Neely through the streets.

Numerous GM's complained about having no clue he was on the market. Calgary paid the equivalent of an offer sheet. Could have gone to Edmonton, but got sent to Calgary.

Not sure why this is rocket surgery for you.
- DuranDuran

Do you also believe everything a politician says publicly. It's a good idea to remember that any time a GM says something publicly, they have an agenda. If there are any GMs that actually didn't know that Hamilton was available, they should have been fired for incompetence. GMs are talking all the time and know who is available, especially when it's a player who would be an RFA in a week. If you're at the draft, you want to trade for Hamilton, and you don't call the Bruins, you're a bad GM.

Sure, the Bruins may have been worried that they weren't going to sign Hamilton and he'd get offer sheeted, but the Flames were proactive and offered more than offer sheet compensation. It wasn't like the Bruins offered Hamilton to the Flames for nothing just because of some petty grudge. They got more than they would have gotten for an offer sheet and they got the picks right away.

Well 1st no he's not. Not yet. 2nd you're guessing and hoping that (A) Fox signs with us and (B) he actually becomes what you hope he can be. But that's the risk. You're trading away futures and possible top end guys for proven commodities. But those prospects may never become anything at the NHL level. Also, if you load the team with young signed top end players, there's no rush to have draft picks and prospects pan out.
- TandA4Flames

You don't think that Sam Bennett among the top 186 players in the league? The eye test (and the limited underlying #'s) show that when you give the kid someone to play with he performs. That's good enough for me.

The whole point of being a general manager is looking towards the future. I think this team is better off standing pat. This isn't Xbox, we don't need to make trades just for the sake of making trades. Those prospects could very well turn out to be busts (doubtful all of them will-they are high end prospects which was my whole point, one of them should turn into something good).

When you load a team with young top end talent coming off of their ELC's you are going to have to pay them what they're worth. Bringing in a guy like Pastrnak could mean losing a guy like Backlund, Brodie and Hamonic down the road. If we trade all of the prospects who are meant to replace them then we'll have just slammed our window shut before it was even really open.

How many players does this franchise need to give up on too early before we learn our lesson? We need to chill. This is a good young roster, let's give our kids a chance to perform before we sell the farm on a perceived weakness.

Thats the chance you take drafting college players.
- K-man25

Really? I thought he was locked up? Thx for making that clear.

You don't think that Sam Bennett among the top 186 players in the league? The eye test (and the limited underlying #'s) show that when you give the kid someone to play with he performs. That's good enough for me.

The whole point of being a general manager is looking towards the future. I think this team is better off standing pat. This isn't Xbox, we don't need to make trades just for the sake of making trades. Those prospects could very well turn out to be busts (doubtful all of them will-they are high end prospects which was my whole point, one of them should turn into something good).

When you load a team with young top end talent coming off of their ELC's you are going to have to pay them what they're worth. Bringing in a guy like Pastrnak could mean losing a guy like Backlund, Brodie and Hamonic down the road. If we trade all of the prospects who are meant to replace them then we'll have just slammed our window shut before it was even really open.

How many players does this franchise need to give up on too early before we learn our lesson? We need to chill. This is a good young roster, let's give our kids a chance to perform before we sell the farm on a perceived weakness.
- Saskabush

1st off I'm not even proposing or advocating a trade like this (even if it were a possibility). I'm simply playing devils advocate. I don't disagree with what you're saying. That's why GM's get paid big bucks; because they have to way all angles and possibilities, current and future. Too many arm chair GM's forget that. I have trouble trading away a possible future top 6 C with excellent intangible qualities for a winger. But our GM would have a veteran idea of where our prospects are and if we could spare 1 in a trade that makes us better now and really possibly for the future.
But I have questioned the likelihood of Fox signing with us from the start and it is only now starting to look like a tough do. He needs to be convinced that the plan is for him to be a top 3 with the big club by 'X' year. And it's his best shot at playing and winning. If Janko can fill 3C than why not. Long term we'd have Mony Gaudreau Pastrnak presumably Tkachuk and Backlund locked up for our top 6. That gives a GM a much clearer picture of what $$ he has to play with in the next 2,3,4,5 years to surround those guys with. I think it something that should be considered if the option was available to us.