Wasnt comparing them as players but how management approached their second contracts.

MTL went 2 years at $2.85 when they could've locked him up for longer at a larger cap hit. Instead, he had a fantastic 2 seasons, winning a Norris and cashed in at a colossal cap hit. I dont think they were wrong to do it, but paid the price anyway.

To me, Bo's progression has been steady and has good work ethic. That makes me comfortable with betting on him long term to not turn to a bust like Hodgson after his pay day
- WhiteLie

Fair enough.
And like someone else said, he probably will get locked up long-term, which i'd be ok with...i'd just prefer to play it safe on this one and see how he continues to develop and hey, if he won a selke or art ross, i'd be happy to pay him 8m/year after that!

I guess if you can't see past the "hate" then you are just close minded.
- manvanfan

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So you're saying that he was excelling as a high end 2nd line center but not as a 1C. Yet you have a problem with paying him as a 2C?
- manvanfan

I have a problem paying him for potential when we already have an anchor contract in Sutter. I have no problems giving Bo a bigger contract for 6+ years if we dumped Sutter immediately. It's not like we don't have cheaper 3C options (like a Gagner) in the fold already. I'm perfectly fine with Bo as 2C, I just don't think he's worth the kind of money he IS going to get (again I acknowledge that in this new NHL, that's what it takes to sign players like him) without more consistency. Especially when you believe you're going to be drafting Top 5 for 2+ more years and could potentially find 2 or even 3 better and more talented centers then Bo is all.

especially since Draistail got like 8.5 today.

I've always figured it will be a 6x6 deal for horvat, somewhere in that range
- Crazybagoham

If Bo gets 6m it will be 8 years, i say between 5.25-5.5 for 6

I have a problem paying him for potential when we already have an anchor contract in Sutter. I have no problems giving Bo a bigger contract for 6+ years if we dumped Sutter immediately. It's not like we don't have cheaper 3C options (like a Gagner) in the fold already. I'm perfectly fine with Bo as 2C, I just don't think he's worth the kind of money he IS going to get (again I acknowledge that in this new NHL, that's what it takes to sign players like him) without more consistency. Especially when you believe you're going to be drafting Top 5 for 2+ more years and could potentially find 2 or even 3 better and more talented centers then Bo is all.
- DariusKnight

I don't see how Sutter is an anchor, esp after what Bonino got. Similar age and production but Sutter is better as he can produce on his own and Bonino usually requires good wingers to produce. Sutter's contract is the new market for a good 3c in this league.

I have a problem paying him for potential when we already have an anchor contract in Sutter. I have no problems giving Bo a bigger contract for 6+ years if we dumped Sutter immediately. It's not like we don't have cheaper 3C options (like a Gagner) in the fold already. I'm perfectly fine with Bo as 2C, I just don't think he's worth the kind of money he IS going to get (again I acknowledge that in this new NHL, that's what it takes to sign players like him) without more consistency. Especially when you believe you're going to be drafting Top 5 for 2+ more years and could potentially find 2 or even 3 better and more talented centers then Bo is all.
- DariusKnight

Won'tlie Gagner's 45.3% face-off percentage or shutdown capabilities don't make me feel like Sutter is not needed.

I don't see how Sutter is an anchor, esp after what Bonino got. Similar age and production but Sutter is better as he can produce on his own and Bonino usually requires good wingers to produce. Sutter's contract is the new market for a good 3c in this league.
- Retinalz

Sutter is overpaid by probably 500,000 per season. Not terrible but it's sort of the same as Sbisa's and dorsett's contracts. Overpaid by probably a half mill a season. Hopefully JB is learning.

If Bo gets 6m it will be 8 years, i say between 5.25-5.5 for 6
- Retinalz

I'm fine with both, I want Bo locked up long term.

Yes I am. I tune out on a poor english which says nothing.
Rather read a proper statement than ghetto speak.
- Nighthawk

There's a certain amount of irony in your comment.

Yes I am. I tune out on a poor english which says nothing.
Rather read a proper statement than ghetto speak.
- Nighthawk

There's a certain amount of irony in your comment.
- Marwood

There's a certain amount of irony in your comment.
- Marwood

Intentional & too lazy to proof read my posts 😂😂

http://thehockeywriters.c...arm-systems-2017-ranking/

Nice write up on nhl teams prospect rankings.

Canucks go from out of the top 15 last year to 7th.

If Bo gets 6m it will be 8 years, i say between 5.25-5.5 for 6
- Retinalz

This is likely the case, I agree. Few people seem to realize that the price of players is constantly going up. We have 14 mil coming off the books next year, bo at 5-6 million lng-term is a great problem to have

This is likely the case, I agree. Few people seem to realize that the price of players is constantly going up. We have 14 mil coming off the books next year, bo at 5-6 million lng-term is a great problem to have
- neem55

The price of stars go up as the cap goes up.
ELC's r todays bread n butter & old vets r going extinct.
Locking up young talent is the norm & ppl realize that.

The price of stars go up as the cap goes up.
ELC's r todays bread n butter & old vets r going extinct.
Locking up young talent is the norm & ppl realize that.
- Nighthawk

For sure. The price of locking up young talent goes up every year though. Draisitl(8.5)/Bo(my guess is 5.5-6)/Pastrnak(my guess is 6.5-7) will all be examples of that.

I'm fine with both, I want Bo locked up long term.
- Crazybagoham

Luckily, I think it's fairly clear JB/TL do too.

For sure. The price of locking up young talent goes up every year though. Draisitl(8.5)/Bo(my guess is 5.5-6)/Pastrnak(my guess is 6.5-7) will all be examples of that.
- neem55

I don't think anyone is debating that the salaries are going up every year, it's more whether it is worth locking up Bo to a long-term deal based on anticipated development.

We could lock him up for 6 years, but if he is not up to 2C or 1C duties like some expect, then the deal becomes an anchor.

For sure. The price of locking up young talent goes up every year though. Draisitl(8.5)/Bo(my guess is 5.5-6)/Pastrnak(my guess is 6.5-7) will all be examples of that.
- neem55

The price goes up depending on talent & home team discounts.
PK @9m was stupid
Draisaitl @8.5m was justified.
The Trochek's & similars r standard increases. Eg BO
Pastrnak is up a notch.
Superstars & Cup winning drivers get the big bucks.
Crosby Malkin Toews Kane Kopitar etc

draisitl had 1 good year and hes malkin? he struggled without mcdavid on his line for most of the season, playoffs he ate up the ducks, sharks he struggled. He ate up the ducks in the regular season to so he has the ducks number. I wouldn't classify him as elite just yet.

The price goes up depending on talent & home team discounts.
PK @9m was stupid
Draisaitl @8.5m was justified.
The Trochek's & similars r standard increases. Eg BO
Pastrnak is up a notch.
Superstars & Cup winning drivers get the big bucks.
Crosby Malkin Toews Kane Kopitar etc
- Nighthawk

Can we talk about Carey PRice @ 10.5 ?

I don't think anyone is debating that the salaries are going up every year, it's more whether it is worth locking up Bo to a long-term deal based on anticipated development.

We could lock him up for 6 years, but if he is not up to 2C or 1C duties like some expect, then the deal becomes an anchor.
- dbot

There is no doubt Bo is worth 2C money.
A C for us at this juncture is 6m tops.
The fact the top line gets a ton o cash & underachieved is not his fault.
If a EP or Gaudette shine & BO gets bumped down thats a great problem & its not on BO. If BO becomes a 1C its the prospects fault or he exceeds expectations.

Can we talk about Carey PRice @ 10.5 ?


- dbot

Ludicrous say no more😂😂
Says a lot about how crappy his support cast is.

draisitl had 1 good year and hes malkin? he struggled without mcdavid on his line for most of the season, playoffs he ate up the ducks, sharks he struggled. He ate up the ducks in the regular season to so he has the ducks number. I wouldn't classify him as elite just yet.
- Bettmanhatesus

I'll go out on a limb & classify him as elite & worth $8.5m

draisitl had 1 good year and hes malkin? he struggled without mcdavid on his line for most of the season, playoffs he ate up the ducks, sharks he struggled. He ate up the ducks in the regular season to so he has the ducks number. I wouldn't classify him as elite just yet.
- Bettmanhatesus

Off the top of your head, how many 21 year old do you think have cracked 70 points in the last 10 years?

Pastrnak is very happy about Draisitl's contract