Youre making a jump there. Point is that they have essentially the same team returning as last year, losing Boyle/adding Moore and then adding Marleau. Even with regressions/sophomore slumps they should be close to what they were a year before and not drop off like the Avalanche did

The Canucks 1 year playoff run and now 2 year drought is more reminiscent of the Av's
- WhiteLie

Agree they should be able to build off last seasons success. But no one expected Avs to have drop off either. Not saying this season is it for Laffs. But they could miss playoffs as the field is much more wide open in the East.

Also sorry that isn't a comparison at all for Canucks on Avs. No similarities on a young gun team excitement getting blown out of proportion with assertions of greatness within reach. Canucks were just a vet group that rebounded after off year. The hope back then was they could maintain competitiveness with tinkering changes and waiting on draft picks like the Wings model. But the rise of other teams and stumbling of players, injuries, etc on Canucks has put them in the well good and proper.

Sadly I agree. The only reason I would hesitate is that, in addition to Bo, Boeser, Pettersson, Juolevi, Demko, etc., the Canucks have an opportunity to add 2-3 more top end prospects in the coming years and thats kind of exciting
- WhiteLie

Vancouver definitely has same excellent young pieces, but unfortunately won't be able to turn the corner until the Sedin era is over, which could be another 2-3 depending on what happens after this season. The problem with them is that they're still somewhat productive, but should be in a reduced role going forward to help the transition and succession.

However, barring playoff contention (I'm doubtful), I wouldn't be surprised to see the twins dealt at TDL with Vancouver retaining the max and ultimately seeing a significant step forward toward the rebuild.

Sedins then re-sign for 1yr deals for the next couple years... Rinse, wash and repeat, before you know it the Sedin era is done, Vancouver is ready to contend again and Henrik/Daniel retire as Canucks legends and saints.

This poop writes itself.

Agree they should be able to build off last seasons success. But no one expected Avs to have drop off either. Not saying this season is it for Laffs. But they could miss playoffs as the field is much more wide open in the East.

Also sorry that isn't a comparison at all for Canucks on Avs. No similarities on a young gun team excitement getting blown out of proportion with assertions of greatness within reach. Canucks were just a vet group that rebounded after off year. The hope back then was they could maintain competitiveness with tinkering changes and waiting on draft picks like the Wings model. But the rise of other teams and stumbling of players injuries, etc on Canucks has put them in the well good and proper.
- Nuck4U

stats guys were calling for a bigly decline.

they also had a terrible offseason after their big year. losing stastny and rushing younger players into bigger roles was the notable fail.

Yes or No?
- As_I_See_It

He said no already

I like a deal with the Oil. Why JB hasn't been all over RNH for Tanev is beyond me.
- LordHumungous

No thx rather trade with the Sabres Wings or Devils

We r further along than the Leafs of 5 yrs ago.
Nylander Marner Matthews sped them up but our prospects pool r ahead of the Leafs. With their best draftees in the NHL is where we lag far behind.
- Nighthawk

Reilly at 5. OJ at 5
Marner at 4. Pettersson at 5
Nylander at 8. Virtanen at 6
Gauthier at 21. Boeser at 23

The difference really is Matthews.

Players are obviously different ages, drafted in different years. At different stages of their careers.

Vancouver definitely has same excellent young pieces, but unfortunately won't be able to turn the corner until the Sedin era is over, which could be another 2-3 depending on what happens after this season. The problem with them is that they're still somewhat productive, but should be in a reduced role going forward to help the transition and succession.

However, barring playoff contention (I'm doubtful), I wouldn't be surprised to see the twins dealt at TDL with Vancouver retaining the max and ultimately seeing a significant step forward toward the rebuild.

Sedins then re-sign for 1yr deals for the next couple years... Rinse, wash and repeat, before you know it the Sedin era is done, Vancouver is ready to contend again and Henrik/Daniel retire as Canucks legends and saints.

This poop writes itself.
- As_I_See_It

I'm not worried about the now. Leafs definitely are on the rise and thats a good thing for them, but the likelihood they get any top-end prospects gets smaller the higher they climb in the standings. Not every prospect the Canucks have will succeed or be top-6 but they have a few more years of trying, which watching young players grow is part of the fun.

Sedin's will do what they want and Canucks will accommodate them, which I am fine with. There is no pressing need for them to move on. Prospects can simmer/season in AHL, it wont hurt them

Reilly at 5. OJ at 5
Marner at 4. Pettersson at 5
Nylander at 8. Virtanen at 6
Gauthier at 21. Boeser at 23

The difference really is Matthews.

Players are obviously different ages, drafted in different years. At different stages of their careers.
- manvanfan

Gauthier a bust. BB cannot lose
Nylander a clear winner so far
Others pairings r good picks period.
We never had a 1OA so Matthews by acclimation

Gauthier a bust. BB cannot lose
Nylander a clear winner so far
Others pairings r good picks period.
We never had a 1OA so Matthews by acclimation
- Nighthawk

Thanks for missing the point.

Reilly at 5. OJ at 5
Marner at 4. Pettersson at 5
Nylander at 8. Virtanen at 6
Gauthier at 21. Boeser at 23

The difference really is Matthews.

Players are obviously different ages, drafted in different years. At different stages of their careers.
- manvanfan

The difference is that the Canucks players on this list haven't proven anything and will be hard pressed to match the rookie season's Leafs players have had... AND THEN there's Matthews, and even Brown.

Sorry dude, but outside of where the players were drafted it's not even close at this point.

Thanks for missing the point.
- manvanfan

I missed nothing at all.
If we get our 1OA say Dahlin the gap changes a ton.

The difference is that the Canucks players on this list haven't proven anything and will be hard pressed to match the rookie season's Leafs players have had... AND THEN there's Matthews, and even Brown.

Sorry dude, but outside of where the players were drafted it's not even close at this point.
- As_I_See_It

Only if using last seasons results.
Fortunate on the injury front.
Out scored a bad defence.
Lots went right & still to prove it was not a one-time jump to success.
One PO season is not proof enough either.
BB won"t be hard pressed & our only top prospect on the roster.

Sadly I agree. The only reason I would hesitate is that, in addition to Bo, Boeser, Pettersson, Juolevi, Demko, etc., the Canucks have an opportunity to add 2-3 more top end prospects in the coming years and thats kind of exciting
- WhiteLie

You would give it all up for a Laffs future...?!? How do you know it's so rosy?

Give up all the promise of the present for an unknown future is that playing with a full deck...?

The difference is that the Canucks players on this list haven't proven anything and will be hard pressed to match the rookie season's Leafs players have had... AND THEN there's Matthews, and even Brown.

Sorry dude, but outside of where the players were drafted it's not even close at this point.
- As_I_See_It

Who would have predicted the leafs to make the playoffs last season? I don't remember anyone. Problem is you see only the present. Imagine Van gets a Matthews type in the next draft. Puts up 70 points. Pettersson comes in and puts up 60. That would sure help. Still having trouble?

100%.

We are exactly where the leafs were 5 years ago. Our prospect pool is starting to accumulate, theirs is graduating. I wouldn't trade anything, we are just simply at different points.
- Codes1087

Agree on the different points but not the 5 years.

Anyone who says no (at this point) is a (frank)in idiot!
- LeftCoaster

Well, one poster has done just that.

I missed nothing at all.
If we get our 1OA say Dahlin the gap changes a ton.
- Nighthawk

It's not a comparison, it's similarities. As you can see Van is a year behind and are missing that 1OA.

Anyone who says no (at this point) is a (frank)in idiot!
- LeftCoaster

Just look in the mirror and tell us the future.

It's not a comparison, it's similarities. As you can see Van is a year behind and are missing that 1OA.
- manvanfan

I got that.
The real story is the Leafs top prospects r in the NHL.
We have many more in the pipeline & only BB in the NHL.
The Leafs r on the rise but done nothing yet.
The entire system is not a cup contender anytime soon either.
Neither r we. Both teams have holes & can only stay the course.

You would give it all up for a Laffs future...?!? How do you know it's so rosy?

Give up all the promise of the present for an unknown future is that playing with a full deck...?
- Nuck4U

the deck might be full, but like you said its an unknown future. Virtanen was full of promise, who knows which one of the prospects disappoints like he has? Leafs have established NHL kids, all of whom have 60 point seasons under their belts already. Reilly, Gardiner and Zaitsev arent Norris caliber but young and talented.

The trade also included management/coaching, which they have current and future hall of fame members on staff. Vancouver has a rookies in all positions. That 'unknown promise' is exciting to follow because thats all the team has, they need to sell hope/future

Time to turn the page to a new thread?

Notes on Boeser and Del Zotto, plus the latest on Kerfoot-watch, in the new blog:

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...oeser-Del-Zotto/194/87023

We r further along than the Leafs of 5 yrs ago.
Nylander Marner Matthews sped them up but our prospects pool r ahead of the Leafs. With their best draftees in the NHL is where we lag far behind.
- Nighthawk

It's a nice try to explain but Codes agreed 100% with Lefty on knowing the future and only idiots would say otherwise. Then he did contradict himself after by saying he wouldn't trade what he knows of Canucks away.

So who knows maybe it's a many sides statement. But Lefty leaves no ambiguity he likes to jump on something without knowing all the facts. Marwood just backs up anyone who says idiot with a who cares about reality.

I got that.
The real story is the Leafs top prospects r in the NHL.
We have many more in the pipeline & only BB in the NHL.
The Leads r on the rise but done nothing yet.
The entire system is not a cup contender anytime soon either.
Neither r we. Both teams have holes & can only stay the course.
- Nighthawk

The real story, a year ago none of the leafs top prospects were in the NHL. Reilly was by his self.

It's a nice try to explain but Codes agreed 100% with Lefty on knowing the future and only idiots would say otherwise. Then he did contradict himself after by saying he wouldn't trade what he knows of Canucks away.

So who knows maybe it's a many sides statement. But Lefty leaves no ambiguity he likes to jump on something without knowing all the facts. Marwood just backs up anyone who says idiot with a who cares about reality.
- Nuck4U

I didn't contradict anything. I wouldn't trade anything away, we are where the leafs used to be, which means our future should be bright. Don't put words in my mouth. I just can give the leafs credit, or other teams credit, when they do something right, where you can't. I am excited for our future, and wouldn't trade it for anything. Why are you dragging my name through the mud, this isn't my fight.

the deck might be full, but like you said its an unknown future. Virtanen was full of promise, who knows which one of the prospects disappoints like he has? Leafs have established NHL kids, all of whom have 60 point seasons under their belts already. Reilly, Gardiner and Zaitsev arent Norris caliber but young and talented.

The trade also included management/coaching, which they have current and future hall of fame members on staff. Vancouver has a rookies in all positions. That 'unknown promise' is exciting to follow because thats all the team has, they need to sell hope/future
- WhiteLie

How can a 21yr old be disappointing.
Is he washed up already or no patience?
Leafs talent has accomplished nothing other than give hope.
Lots of growth & talent is still needed yet.