getting top prospect treatment and plenty of opportunities?
- Sabresfan-365

yeah, I could see that but Pittsburgh would be better...chad ruhwedel has his name on the cup

yeah, I could see that but Pittsburgh would be better...chad ruhwedel has his name on the cup
- Michael Pachla

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJxCdh1Ps48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJxCdh1Ps48
- TheSabresTaco

that vid has over 1.2 million views

That's way too low
- jdfitz77

Not really, but I am not going to go 5 pages over 10 hypothetical ranking spots.

yeah, I could see that but Pittsburgh would be better...chad ruhwedel has his name on the cup
- Michael Pachla

(TM)

Not really, but I am not going to go 5 pages over 10 hypothetical ranking spots.
- sbroads24

The game is played on the ice, not a stat sheet

Are u in our fantasy football league?

Not really, but I am not going to go 5 pages over 10 hypothetical ranking spots.
- sbroads24

for sh!ts and giggles, behind ROR on the list:

ryan Kessler
logan couture
joe thorton

The game is played on the ice, not a stat sheet

Are u in our fantasy football league?
- jdfitz77

And I'm sure that you have watched all 30 (31 soon) NHL teams evenly to come up with this unbiased opinion that's not based on stats?

Not really, but I am not going to go 5 pages over 10 hypothetical ranking spots.
- sbroads24

and for more fun:

17. alexander barkov
18. jeff carter
19. evegeny kuznetzov
20. sean Monahan

and for more fun:

20. sean Monahan
19. evegeny kuznetzov
18. jeff carter
17. alexander barkov
- Michael Pachla

O'Reilly is right around the Couture, Kadri, Kelser, Staal pack that are very, very good #2's IMO.

If he's your #1, you probably arent very good (unless you have a great team all around)

And I'm sure that you have watched all 30 (31 soon) NHL teams evenly to come up with this unbiased opinion that's not based on stats?
- sbroads24

Do I have to?
I don't need to watch 16 Packers game to know how good Aaron Rodgers is...

DO YOU?


Are u in our fantasy football league?

And I'm sure that you have watched all 30 (31 soon) NHL teams evenly to come up with this unbiased opinion that's not based on stats?
- sbroads24

oreilly's been pretty impressive with the sabres...he had that drought his first year, but still lead the team in scoring and last year he was hampered by a wonky back and had an emergency appendectomy but was second in points and first in plus/minus amongst regulars

#eyetest+simplestats

Do I have to?
I don't need to watch 16 Packers game to know how good Aaron Rodgers is...

DO YOU?


Are u in our fantasy football league?
- jdfitz77

But what if I did watch all 16 packer games and ridiculously said he wasnt good?

How would you refute that?

No im not

O'Reilly is right around the Couture, Kadri, Kelser, Staal pack that are very, very good #2's IMO.

If he's your #1, you probably arent very good (unless you have a great team all around)
- sbroads24

He's NOT our "#1" so why even bring that up?

O'Reilly is right around the Couture, Kadri, Kelser, Staal pack that are very, very good #2's IMO.

If he's your #1, you probably arent very good (unless you have a great team all around)
- sbroads24

I think right around 20 is a good ranking for him

But what if I did watch all 16 packer games and ridiculously said he wasnt good?

How would you refute that?

No im not
- sbroads24

Because I have watched him "enough" to make a valid assessment

Why not?
All u do is talk stats on here
Would've been fun to kick your butt! Hahaha

I think right around 20 is a good ranking for him
- Michael Pachla

If the Sabres have 2 centers in the top 20 that's pretty awesome.

They should be good really good...

oreilly's been pretty impressive with the sabres...he had that drought his first year, but still lead the team in scoring and last year he was hampered by a wonky back and had an emergency appendectomy but was second in points and first in plus/minus amongst regulars

#eyetest+simplestats


- Michael Pachla

And overplayed in the toughest of situations

But you know... analytics or something

If the Sabres have 2 centers in the top 20 that's pretty awesome.

They should be good really good...
- Stripes77

O'Reilly is Bergeron or Toews "light"
On their level?
No, but he's that type of player & pretty damn good

If the Sabres have 2 centers in the top 20 that's pretty awesome.

They should be good really good...
- Stripes77

They could've been if four of their d-men weren't in the bottom 20. Thank god botts took over.

And overplayed in the toughest of situations

But you know... analytics or something
- jdfitz77

analytics is actually pretty good to ROR, better than the eye test id say

For whom does it toll?
- jochfr

It tolls for thee.

And overplayed in the toughest of situations

But you know... analytics or something
- jdfitz77

Analytics people love O'Reilly.

Still don't think he's top 20.

He was 31st in scoring for centers (give or take a few because they have some centers listed as wings, some wings as centers)

24th in PPG. (Same, give or take a few)

Yes, he's good defensively, but so are a lot of guys like him.

I think it's tough to call him a top 25 center.

Analytics people love O'Reilly.

Still don't think he's top 20.

He was 31st in scoring for centers (give or take a few because they have some centers listed as wings, some wings as centers)

24th in PPG. (Same, give or take a few)

Yes, he's good defensively, but so are a lot of guys like him.

I think it's tough to call him a top 25 center.
- sbroads24

Wait so he is right around 30 for scoring and 24th in PPG and is the 3rd or 4th best defensive center in the game and that doesn't make him a top 25 center?

How is it tough to call him a top 25 center when he is 31st in points and 24th in ppg?

He is really close to being top 25 on stats alone not to mention his defensive play.

Doesn't seem too tough

here's the cliff notes:

they brought in scotty bowman as gm and coach...he stripped the team down and built with draft picks...Housley, Andreychuk and barrasso were great but they couldn't carry the team...although the Sabres made the playoffs all but twice in the 80's, all but five teams made the post season so it wasn't really that big of a deal...bowman didn't get the job done, he stepped down in 86-87, Perreault re-retired that season, they finished in last place, drafted pierre turgeon then eventually traded him for lafontaine...

very cool part in late 80's was the alexander mogilny story:

here's a great read on that: http://www.iihf.com/home-...c92f2f75260186da52c7e41f5
- Michael Pachla

Yep, that pretty much sums it up, not good, not bad, thoroughly bland until Mogilny.