OJ was a second pairing D man for the better half of the whole season in London last year though...
- Codes1087

That means nadda it's a balancing of pairs. Like Stecher for Edler and Hutton for Tanev.

One of the things of note was this notion that OJ was working on his shutdown game to make NHL. So points weren't a measuring stick. But he was always used on PP as the engine that could.

Meaningless...

What would Mete or OJ fetch in a trade?
No contest IMO
- Nighthawk

would OJ fetch Drouin?

Juolevi regressed his draft +1 season, where you would expect most high end prolific prospects to either stay on par, or progress in some/all aspects of their game. You can say all you want that Juolevi not being a 1st pairing D-man on a "stacked" London team is insignificant, but it is significant. You have the top rated/top selected D man from the 2016 draft class, it should be expected he plays the most minutes, in the most crucial times, on the top d pairing in Junior. It was posted on many occasions that Victor Mete had surpassed Juolevi on the depth chart, and was more relied on than Juolevi.
- Codes1087

based on what exactly?

No, I don't believe that to be true at all. It entirely depends on where you're at as a frinchise. What's the point in signing a large ticket UFA worth the money if you're not in a position to compete? Benning signed a 30 goal scorer in Eriksson who helped the poop team they have to a second last finish.

Also, trades take assets to get a return, when you don't have any assets what exactly are you trading with. What do you think teams are going to give up for your first round pick if Benning is stupid enough to trade it? What about your second round pick, you get Sven Baertschi who again helped the team finish third and second last in consecutive years.

You've gotta build through the draft first IMO.
- LeftCoaster

No doubt the draft is the bread n butter of every team.
Trading still remains a key to improve quality over quantity.
Amassing assets only goes so far & timing is key.

As for LE he will still be around when the Sedins retire & his veteran qualities will be important. If traded thats for another day & another story. His contract has done nothing to slow us down as we rebuild.

Juolevi regressed his draft +1 season, where you would expect most high end prolific prospects to either stay on par, or progress in some/all aspects of their game. You can say all you want that Juolevi not being a 1st pairing D-man on a "stacked" London team is insignificant, but it is significant. You have the top rated/top selected D man from the 2016 draft class, it should be expected he plays the most minutes, in the most crucial times, on the top d pairing in Junior. It was posted on many occasions that Victor Mete had surpassed Juolevi on the depth chart, and was more relied on than Juolevi.
- Codes1087

I don't think he regressed, he had the same point totals on a lesser team and his ice-time got tougher. If anything he didn't take a step forward, but he hardly regressed.

I don't think he regressed, he had the same point totals on a lesser team and his ice-time got tougher. If anything he didn't take a step forward, but he hardly regressed.
- LeftCoaster

100%. He was also their best player in the playoffs. kid is a gamer

would OJ fetch Drouin?
- Codes1087

Much easier than Mete but doubtful maybe.
I'd guess MB tried Mete for Drouin but was a no in 5secs by Stevie Y

You have to be active in all 3 departments. Trades Draft UFA
- VANTEL

Tankers will never agree to that. They don't realize the rule changes and cap have changed things from the past. There is an upward ticking clock on building a winner. If you don't make it work within a certain period then you have to start again. Thus the rut of failure compounds.

I don't think he regressed, he had the same point totals on a lesser team and his ice-time got tougher. If anything he didn't take a step forward, but he hardly regressed.
- LeftCoaster

I will full on admit that I didn't watch every LDN game, and I simply going off of the LDN writer, Ryan Biech, and other news sources, but based off his playoff performance and how he was deployed, I had heard that he was not playing the way, or getting the results, that the team or anyone had hoped he would have played after such a good debut season.
I will give him credit, like you said, LDN was significantly less talented than in 2015, but I would have hoped to hear rave reviews about Juolevi and his development, and not hear that he is not better suited for at least one more year of development in the OHL/Finland, as opposed to playing for the Canucks on a defensively inadequate team

I don't think he regressed, he had the same point totals on a lesser team and his ice-time got tougher. If anything he didn't take a step forward, but he hardly regressed.
- LeftCoaster

Adding to that he was in a shutdown pairing in Jr & thats only when a team is deep.
Is Malkin a 2C cuz behind Sid?
Hardly cuz he is 1C playing 2C & max PP time & a 1C on any team not the Oilers.

No, I don't believe that to be true at all. In 2017. It entirely depends on where you're at as a franchise. What's the point in signing a large ticket UFA worth the money if you're not in a position to compete? Benning signed a 30 goal scorer in Eriksson who helped the poop team they have to a second last finish.

Also, trades take assets to get a return, when you don't have any assets what exactly are you trading with. What do you think teams are going to give up for your first round pick if Benning is stupid enough to trade it? What about your second round pick, you get Sven Baertschi who again helped the team finish third and second last in consecutive years.

You've gotta build through the draft first IMO.
- LeftCoaster

This is a beaten dead horse but would Vancouver have not been better trading Edler Sedins over the last few years ? Yes I know they had no movement clauses but some Jackass was handing them out like Tic Tacs. It is still one of the many mistakes Canucks have made over the years.

Tankers will never agree to that. They don't realize the rule changes and cap have changed things from the past. There is an upward ticking clock on building a winner. If you don't make it work within a certain period then you have to start again. Thus the rut of failure compounds.
- Nuck4U

Other than tankers believe tanking is a sure fire to improve they r not stupid. IMO they choose the risk for high rewards but it must work out or its a very very longterm rebuild.

I will full on admit that I didn't watch every LDN game, and I simply going off of the LDN writer, Ryan Biech, and other news sources, but based off his playoff performance and how he was deployed, I had heard that he was not playing the way, or getting the results, that the team or anyone had hoped he would have played after such a good debut season.
I will give him credit, like you said, LDN was significantly less talented than in 2015, but I would have hoped to hear rave reviews about Juolevi and his development, and not hear that he is not better suited for at least one more year of development in the OHL/Finland, as opposed to playing for the Canucks on a defensively inadequate team
- Codes1087

I think most are just disappointed he hasn't turned into this all-world dman the writers thought he would. But IMO that doesn't mean he regressed, as I said.

This is a beaten dead horse but would Vancouver have not been better trading Edler Sedins over the last few years ? Yes I know they had no movement clauses but some Jackass was handing them out like Tic Tacs. It is still one of the many mistakes Canucks have made over the years.
- VANTEL

True but our latest jackass says nyet & doesn't handout max term & NTC's & NMC's like candy. Once he had 3 yrs for a roster turnover the picture is getting clearer. We still need elite D prospects & next draft we get 1 probably. So far so good & in 1-2yrs we might see some huge progress & huge trades.

I think most are just disappointed he hasn't turned into this all-world dman the writers thought he would. But IMO that doesn't mean he regressed, as I said.
- LeftCoaster

OJ only lacks the big shot. He plays a smart & poised game & does it very good. Thats a better way for any D to groom than filling his holes in the minors. Subban like D r not that important if a liability. Even Burns is not that good on defence.

OJ can always up his offense by joining the rush but depends on his partner.
A future OJ/EG pairing looks good.

I think most are just disappointed he hasn't turned into this all-world dman the writers thought he would. But IMO that doesn't mean he regressed, as I said.
- LeftCoaster

I will admit that perhaps regressed was a very poor choice for words. And with that, I take it back. Like you said, I think when you look and analyze the fact that he was the top D man from 2016, you really hoped that he would be more prominent in the news, showing excellent growth in all aspects of his game, and we would be more inclined to hear rave reviews about him being a for sure lock for the Canucks, rather than seeing articles posted as where he should play next year to help his development to play for the Canucks later on.

This is a beaten dead horse but would Vancouver have not been better trading Edler Sedins over the last few years ? Yes I know they had no movement clauses but some Jackass was handing them out like Tic Tacs. It is still one of the many mistakes Canucks have made over the years.
- VANTEL

You know I changed my tune on that but you have to deal with the things that are available to you, trading them wasn't one of them (Sedins) so you just carry on and build through the draft.

Canucks management has seemingly always let UFA's walk for nothing, a practice that I hope stops one day.

You know I changed my tune on that but you have to deal with the things that are available to you, trading them wasn't one of them (Sedins) so you just carry on and build through the draft.

Canucks management has seemingly always let UFA's walk for nothing, a practice that I hope stops one day.
- LeftCoaster

Burmistrov, Gaunce, Rodin, Gagner, Del Zotto, Weircoch, Boucher.

I garuntee over half of them walk lol

You know I changed my tune on that but you have to deal with the things that are available to you, trading them wasn't one of them (Sedins) so you just carry on and build through the draft.

Canucks management has seemingly always let UFA's walk for nothing, a practice that I hope stops one day.
- LeftCoaster

Bure Luongo Kesler come to mind & all 3 hamstrung us.
Hamhuis well that was a MG NTC
Vrbata well he's a goof like Anson Carter was.

I will admit that perhaps regressed was a very poor choice for words. And with that, I take it back. Like you said, I think when you look and analyze the fact that he was the top D man from 2016, you really hoped that he would be more prominent in the news, showing excellent growth in all aspects of his game, and we would be more inclined to hear rave reviews about him being a for sure lock for the Canucks, rather than seeing articles posted as where he should play next year to help his development to play for the Canucks later on.
- Codes1087

No one was raving about Marc-Edouard Vlasic before his name became famous for being an excellent defensemen because he was a second round pick. OJ's game has been compared to his, not flashy but just a great calm puck-moving game. He's gonna be just fine!

Simply the media guys wishing he was more because he was a 5th overall pick.

You know I changed my tune on that but you have to deal with the things that are available to you, trading them wasn't one of them (Sedins) so you just carry on and build through the draft.

Canucks management has seemingly always let UFA's walk for nothing, a practice that I hope stops one day.
- LeftCoaster

I agree that you can't change the past . As long as you learn from mistakes. Player movement ( Trading , letting go , UFA ) is important , right up there with drafting.

No one was raving about Marc-Edouard Vlasic before his name became famous for being an excellent defensemen because he was a second round pick. OJ's game has been compared to his, not flashy but just a great calm puck-moving game. He's gonna be just fine!

Simply the media guys wishing he was more because he was a 5th overall pick.
- LeftCoaster

Thats a very good take 👍👍

Depth Chart....a realistic one.

Center

Pettersson
Gaudette
Dahlen (maybe?)

Wing

Boeser
Rodin
Goldobin
Dahlen (winger?)
Boucher
Molino
Gadjovich
Lind
Labate
Lockwood
Palmu

Defence

Juolevi
Tryamkin
Brisebois
Holm
Gunnarsson
McEneny
Rathbone


I'm telling you, this team has a long ways to go before they become successful!
- LeftCoaster

Lind might be a center more so then Dahlen. There is hope for MacEwen as well. But those are just the prospects in system. The development key to meshing into NHL roles.

Don't forget that there are guys on team developing. Plus additions through trade and UFA. Another great draft can push things up. Win the lotto and you really got something.

I agree that you can't change the past . As long as you learn from mistakes. Player movement ( Trading , letting go , UFA ) is important , right up there with drafting.
- VANTEL

With the wait n see approach many good teams r taking this offseason there could be earlier big trades this season than expected. Thats purely a guess but the Pens Rangers CBJ Canes r a few teams that to mind that will keep hunting for key pieces.

No one was raving about Marc-Edouard Vlasic before his name became famous for being an excellent defensemen because he was a second round pick. OJ's game has been compared to his, not flashy but just a great calm puck-moving game. He's gonna be just fine!

Simply the media guys wishing he was more because he was a 5th overall pick.
- LeftCoaster

fair, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect more from a 5th overall/1st dman of the draft. It comes with the territory. While maybe we are all too harsh on our expectations of Juolevi, I think everyone deep down, despite the articles/media are writing, was hoping to hear Juolevi's name for all the right reasons over the span of last season.