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neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Aug 27 @ 3:38 PM ET
I'm sticking with top 5 pick again, three years running.
- VanHockeyGuy

top 3 this year, stop being superstitious. It's better to be just a little stitious
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Aug 27 @ 3:39 PM ET
If Benning keeps the New Year tank's going we too can be successful like the Oilers and Pens in due time
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Aug 27 @ 3:44 PM ET
If Benning keeps the New Year tank's going we too can be successful like the Oilers and Pens in due time
- LeftCoaster


Who's the generational savior for 2018 & 2019 that will fill your dreaming...?
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Aug 27 @ 3:46 PM ET
Who's the generational savior for 2018 & 2019 that will fill your dreaming...?
- Nuck4U

Ho-Lee Chow
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Aug 27 @ 3:48 PM ET
I am making the change to Telus. 20 years of shaw and they won't cut me a deal for my internet. All they have ever done is called and complain that I have been going over my data limit(300GB), but when I initially got that plan it was unlimited data. No deals and 20 years of never missing a payment as well as complaining about it.

6 years ago I called them and complained about my poor television picture and internet quality. They said that the line from the street to my house needed to be replaced. I said put me on the list and was told to expect a service rep any time. After only 5 years of me complaining about the problem it was finally fixed. Terrible customer service in my opinion.

As per Vantel, I am fine with a 2 year mistake. The last conversation I had with a shaw rep his last words were "What are you going to do go with Telus? Thats a mistake."

Canucks Don may have it right. Customer service still means something.

- thundachunk

Then talk to the LCT department. They are the only ones that have deals for existing customers.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Aug 27 @ 3:49 PM ET
Who's the generational savior for 2018 & 2019 that will fill your dreaming...?
- Nuck4U

Who said anything about 2018 or 2019, it may take three or four more years beyond that.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Aug 27 @ 3:54 PM ET
Then talk to the LCT department. They are the only ones that have deals for existing customers.
- Retinalz

I already made my choice after talking to them yesterday.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Aug 27 @ 3:55 PM ET
Who said anything about 2018 or 2019, it may take three or four more years beyond that.
- LeftCoaster


Interesting vision. So in five or six years they'll be able to draft the players needed. That seems like a new round of rebuild from this one. Thus, this tanking vision brings the risk of staying in a rut of failure hoping for the savior. So not much of a plan then.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Aug 27 @ 3:58 PM ET
Ho-Lee Chow
- thundachunk


I hear they are good at delivery....

http://www.holeechow.com/...hemes/91/portal/index.jsp
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Aug 27 @ 3:58 PM ET
Interesting vision. So in five or six years they'll draft the players needed. That seems like a new round of rebuild from this one. Thus, this tanking vision brings the risk of staying in a rut of failure hoping for the savior. So not much of a plan then.
- Nuck4U

No....If you can do the math, which appears to be an issue for you, the kids they've drafted in the past two years, the future, will only be 24 or 25 years old in five or six years, and in their prime.

Plus they'll have a couple veterans like Horvat and Boeser.

#theplan
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 27 @ 3:59 PM ET
Interesting vision. So in five or six years they'll draft the players needed. That seems like a new round of rebuild from this one. Thus, this tanking vision brings the risk of staying in a rut of failure hoping for the savior. So not much of a plan then.
- Nuck4U

It's amazing how "three or four more years" become "five or six years" in your response.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Aug 27 @ 4:06 PM ET
No....If you can do the math, which appears to be an issue for you, the kids they've drafted in the past two years, the future, will only be 24 or 25 years old in five or six years, and in their prime.

Plus they'll have a couple veterans like Horvat and Boeser.

#theplan

- LeftCoaster


The issue is your math makes no sense. All those players wouldn't be part of the equation of a rebuild starting around a generational player six years from now. If the team wasn't better by then they'd be busts.
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Aug 27 @ 4:08 PM ET
It's amazing how "three or four more years" become "five or six years" in your response.
- A_SteamingLombardi


He said three or four years from 2018 and 2019 amazing comprehension you have.

Edit: because posts aren't accumulated in totality when others jump in this began with a question to Lefty's post. He suggested Canucks follow the tanking Oiler and Pens model that they got generational players. Lotto logic aside. Asked who is that for 2018 and 2019? Response will take longer like 3 or 4 years. Meaning no one can be seen but keep tanking and eventually the savior will come.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 27 @ 4:11 PM ET
Any bets on who finishes higher this year, the Oilers or Canucks?
- LeftCoaster


Speaking of disasters?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Aug 27 @ 4:12 PM ET
He said three or four years from 2018 and 2019 amazing comprehension you have.
- Nuck4U

Do you like Bocce?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 27 @ 4:13 PM ET
Maybe the Red Cross is causing all these disasters so they can stay in business.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Have you been hanging out with Bettmanhatesus?
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Aug 27 @ 4:15 PM ET
The issue is your math makes no sense. All those players wouldn't be part of the equation of a rebuild starting around a generational player six years from now. If the team wasn't better by then they'd be busts.
- Nuck4U

No....you're a confused soul, just because I said Benning keeps up the New Years tank's doesn't mean they're getting four first overall picks or a generational player. They could be picking anywhere in the top ten with maybe a couple top two or three picks.

I also said "It may take three or four years beyond that", 2018/2019, I didn't say it has to take that long, did I? If they hit two home runs in the next three years the chances are it won't take beyond 2020.

I believe it took the Blackhawks six years of solid drafting and some lottery luck from the time they drafted Keith in 2002 until they won the lottery in 2008 to select Kane. Six years of solid drafting to establish a core is really not that long.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 27 @ 4:16 PM ET
They always seem to show up, like the 12 year old who's always there to put out a fire that someone started, he always the hero.
- A_SteamingLombardi



Are you suggesting Harvey was started by a Red Cross rain dance?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 27 @ 4:19 PM ET
It's amazing how "three or four more years" become "five or six years" in your response.
- A_SteamingLombardi


Math or listening was never the strong suit Sorry N4U that was hanging there like a big spicy meatball
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Aug 27 @ 4:26 PM ET
Math or listening was never the strong suit Sorry N4U that was hanging there like a big spicy meatball
- VANTEL


I'm not surprised that you uncovered ASL's report cards.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Aug 27 @ 4:35 PM ET
Do you like Bocce?
- A_SteamingLombardi


VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 27 @ 4:49 PM ET
Beer on the beach day today in Vancouver. I bet no one is paying 26.00 a bottle
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Aug 27 @ 4:54 PM ET
No....you're a confused soul, just because I said Benning keeps up the New Years tank's doesn't mean they're getting four first overall picks or a generational player. They could be picking anywhere in the top ten with maybe a couple top two or three picks.

I also said "It may take three or four years beyond that", 2018/2019, I didn't say it has to take that long, did I? If they hit two home runs in the next three years the chances are it won't take beyond 2020.

I believe it took the Blackhawks six years of solid drafting and some lottery luck from the time they drafted Keith in 2002 until they won the lottery in 2008 to select Kane. Six years of solid drafting to establish a core is really not that long.

- LeftCoaster



Maybe you were leading me down the faith on the savior path with your Pens and Oiler praising that led to the questioning. But if you want to reverse that and talk accumulation of draft picks then I'm with you on that train. Just maybe we differ when it left the station.

I believe 2013 is the correct mark because of Bo and Granlund acquired from Shink. Then 2014 Demko, JV. Haven't written off Tree/value. Will have an impact to core. We see 2015 with BB now and Guadette about to hit. 2016 with OJ coming on. Lockwood is an outlier. Now sprinkle in those drafts to the add on trades of Dahlen and Goldy. This all stocks up well with promising 2017.

Then add the above to the current young vets on D and Sven there is a nexus forming there. Why 2018 could be a peeking point for turnaround. Hit the lotto and it's on.
Renidrag
Joined: 10.18.2016

Aug 27 @ 6:33 PM ET
What happened in here? Everyone was so talkative then nothing. It is almost like someone killed the thread.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Aug 27 @ 6:45 PM ET
What happened in here? Everyone was so talkative then nothing. It is almost like someone killed the thread.
- Renidrag


Or went out
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