I think Vanek could help with our playoff push

That would be fine by me.

Idea is that a hard cap would help keep top level talent spread around as you can't pay for elite young guys and still ice a hockey team. In theory, it should balance things out.
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the purpose of the draft is to try and keep top level talent spread around, but also keeping teams accountable by doing their research in scouting. The draft is fine, the NCAA rules are a bit off, but all in all the system works and has been just fine for years.

why would they spend money when their teams were complete dogpoop. It goes hand in hand. Your elite talent players are the ones you pay money for, because they bring in the fans. When you don't have elite talent, you will start to notice that ticket sales go down, which is why Rogers Arena has been bare the last few years.
- Codes1087

I don't think you can equate the BS with ownership of Bill Wirtz's Hawks and the Igloo collapsing Pens with the Canucks not being a top team now.

Anyway, what is this issue you have on ticket sales? Having a Seattle rivalry would help both teams was only point. Like when Laffs or Habs come to town no matter the level of teams the tickets move.

I don't think you can equate the BS with ownership of Wiers Hawks and the Igloos colapsing Pens with the Canucks not being a top team now.

Anyway, what is this issue you have on ticket sales? Having a Seattle rivalry would help both teams was only point. Like when Laffs or Habs come to town no matter the level of teams the tickets move.
- Nuck4U

I don't understand what you mean with the two bolded above.

And what does two original six teams have to do with other franchises ticket sales. So we can account for 2 Canucks home games with better ticket sales because they play the Habs and Leafs once each a year at Rogers Arena? The Canucks have had half filled arena games for the last few years now.

the purpose of the draft is to try and keep top level talent spread around, but also keeping teams accountable by doing their research in scouting. The draft is fine, the NCAA rules are a bit off, but all in all the system works and has been just fine for years.
- Codes1087

Draft is bad for the players, though. Forces players into bad situations and artificially keeps salaries down.

Eliminate the draft and eliminate ELC's. You'll see some very, VERY entertaining stuff.

Draft is bad for the players, though. Forces players into bad situations and artificially keeps salaries down.

Eliminate the draft and eliminate ELC's. You'll see some very, VERY entertaining stuff.
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How is the draft bad for the players? The players don't force managements hand as to when they are ready for the big leagues (for the most part). Management decides when a player plays or develops in the AHL/other. I don't think we need to re-invent the wheel all because Brandon Dubinsky pops off in a little rant about NCAA kids being picky. I get his argument, but I like the draft, seems to also be working for the majority of all other major league sports.

That would be fine by me.

Idea is that a hard cap would help keep top level talent spread around as you can't pay for elite young guys and still ice a hockey team. In theory, it should balance things out.
- BINGO!

I would love it. Means no more tanking BS and rebuild time taking forever and stuck in failure. It would be the best thing possible for fans not having to suffer years of hopelessness and be expected to support the team.

Teams would be in constant flux and it would make competiton more interesting for those teams to be rewarded by success and not failure. Some tweeks to ages for players and amount of contracts offered and it would be fracking awesome!

Scouting would all be focused on who would be best fit for team and managements would be on the gun to recruiting as well as figuring out how to balance out player contracts between vets and rookies.

How is the draft bad for the players? The players don't force managements hand as to when they are ready for the big leagues (for the most part). Management decides when a player plays or develops in the AHL/other. I don't think we need to re-invent the wheel all because Brandon Dubinsky pops off in a little rant about NCAA kids being picky. I get his argument, but I like the draft, seems to working for the majority of all other major league sports.
- Codes1087

Players don't get to choose where they live. They have zero leverage in contract negotiations and they don't get to choose the sort of situation they feel is best for them.

They have no choice in the matter at all and it's kind of gross.

Has nothing to do with Dubinsky, he just sort of brought the discussion back up. I've been over this with several people before and as exciting as the draft can be, I don't think there's one aspect of it that benefits the player more than a free-for-all signing day could have.

I have some fantastic news!!!!


Stringerbell has agreed to be the special guest speaker at this years picnic!!!

I would love it. Means no more tanking BS and rebuild time taking forever and stuck in failure. It would be the best thing possible for fans not having to suffer years of hopelessness and be expected to support the team.

Teams would be in constant flux and it would make competiton more interesting for those teams to be rewarded by success and not failure. Some tweeks to ages for players and amount of contracts offered and it would be fracking awesome!

Scouting would all be focused on who would be best fit for team and managements would be on the gun to recruiting as well as figuring out how to balance out player contracts between vets and rookies.
- Nuck4U

Yes. Exactly. There would be zero motivation for a bottom seeding and you wouldn't have teams like the Oilers stocked up with 1st overall after 1st overall.

The stakes are so much higher, too. Can you imagine a world where the Oilers can't sign McDavid because they already paid so much to lure Yakupov to them?

You could fix the transfer deal with the CHL at the same time.

I don't understand what you mean with the two bolded above.

And what does two original six teams have to do with other franchises ticket sales. So we can account for 2 Canucks home games with better ticket sales because they play the Habs and Leafs once each a year at Rogers Arena? The Canucks have had half filled arena games for the last few years now.
- Codes1087

Sorry for the typos but you brought up the Hawks and Pens. They had money problems which made their teams bad back then. The Igloo stadium was collapsing and the Pens were in danger of heading out. They were bad because of not having money. Talk to Pens fans or look it up.

The Hawks had a miserly owner and took advantage of his fan base. Would blackout games and wouldn't pay players market value and traded them off for peanuts. Volumes can be written about the BS back then.

So I don't get your point?

You brought up the Hawks and Pens. They had money problems which made their teams bad back then. The Igloo stadium was collapsing and the Pens were in danger of heading out. They were bad because of not having money. Talk to Pens fans or look it up.

The Hawks had a miserly owner and took advantage of his fan base. Would blackout games and wouldn't pay players market value and traded them off for peanuts. Volumes can be written about the BS back then.

So I don't get your point?
- Nuck4U

Penguins were on the verge of moving before lockout and they got Sid.

I have some fantastic news!!!!


Stringerbell has agreed to be the special guest speaker at this years picnic!!!
- Marwood

finally something worth responding to!! although I kind of envision Stringer showing up in a giant bubble

How is the draft bad for the players? The players don't force managements hand as to when they are ready for the big leagues (for the most part). Management decides when a player plays or develops in the AHL/other. I don't think we need to re-invent the wheel all because Brandon Dubinsky pops off in a little rant about NCAA kids being picky. I get his argument, but I like the draft, seems to also be working for the majority of all other major league sports.
- Codes1087

The draft limits a team from acquiring top young talent.

The draft limits a team from acquiring top young talent.
- Nuck4U

Detroit seemed to do ok for 20 years.

finally something worth responding to!! although I kind of envision Stringer showing up in a giant bubble
- CanuckDon

I see him tasering people in the balls. I think he has issues.

You brought up the Hawks and Pens. They had money problems which made their teams bad back then. The Igloo stadium was collapsing and the Pens were in danger of heading out. They were bad because of not having money. Talk to Pens fans or look it up.

The Hawks had a miserly owner and took advantage of his fan base. Would blackout games and wouldn't pay players market value and traded them off for peanuts. Volumes can be written about the BS back then.

So I don't get your point?
- Nuck4U

I am trying to address yours and Bingo's logic, but I think its just turning into a vicious circle and starting to stray from the point, so I will just end the discussion here.

I see him tasering people in the balls. I think he has issues.
- Marwood

exactly why he is a perfect speaker/ leader for the big picnic

Yes. Exactly. There would be zero motivation for a bottom seeding and you wouldn't have teams like the Oilers stocked up with 1st overall after 1st overall.

The stakes are so much higher, too. Can you imagine a world where the Oilers can't sign McDavid because they already paid so much to lure Yakupov to them?

You could fix the transfer deal with the CHL at the same time.
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I agree on stakes and management having to be smarter on how they put a team together. But you could stockpile young talent if you strategically signed them targeting by year of availability. Then, make more room by trading away, not extending, or buying out vets that didn't fit in with plans or make up of team.

Yes there would be bidding wars for top talent. But if you just threw money at one player who came of age to be signed it would hamper a team like you said. The team cap becomes a moving goal. So teams who have accumulated stars wouldn't be able to add the big money and only say come here for glory. Other teams seeking to improve could target a bunch of young players and make them all a new core for success. Accelerating how fast they can compete.

Detroit seemed to do ok for 20 years.
- Codes1087

They're kind of the exception though, no? They hit on several strong players late in drafts.

I am trying to address yours and Bingo's logic, but I think its just turning into a vicious circle and starting to stray from the point, so I will just end the discussion here.
- Codes1087

I don't think you understood the topic. Seemed you were trying to say bad teams have low ticket sales which is an obvious. But didn't fit any of the logic or points.

They're kind of the exception though, no? They hit on several strong players late in drafts.
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they are the exception and not the rule, yes, but it just goes to show that you don't need a last place finish, or a top 10 pick, every year to become relevant, and that the draft works.

Players don't get to choose where they live. They have zero leverage in contract negotiations and they don't get to choose the sort of situation they feel is best for them.

They have no choice in the matter at all and it's kind of gross.

Has nothing to do with Dubinsky, he just sort of brought the discussion back up. I've been over this with several people before and as exciting as the draft can be, I don't think there's one aspect of it that benefits the player more than a free-for-all signing day could have.
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Carolina would definitely thrive if players get to pick where they play instead of being forced to play where they are drafted

I don't think you understood the topic. Seemed you were trying to say bad teams have low ticket sales which is an obvious. But didn't fit any of the logic or points.
- Nuck4U

I understood it just fine. I stated my point, you stated yours, and now I want to move on?

I understood it just fine. I stated my point, you stated yours, and now I want to move on?
- Codes1087

you don't have another 30 minutes to discuss this topic?