Love Franson for the Hawks! Could not play in top 7 for Preds, could not get rid of him fast enough when he played here a couple of years ago.
- VopatsRash

Says the very thirsty Nashville fan.....

Can't drink without a cup

And you will remain so for a VERY LONG TIME!!!!!!!!

Both don't have that quick first step, but TvR needs a few strides to get going, but when he is going, he is fine.
Franson gets by gliding and trying to play smart.

Duchene would add new blood but then how are you keeping him and Saad in two years?
- wiz1901

Franson could be a good Powerplay option. IIRC, his best asset is his shot and puck movement/passing. If he can move the puck and get a quick shot through to the net, it would be an upgrade over Keith on the PP.

oh yippy this knob is back.
- SaskHawkFan

He just got evicted form Big Brother 19

Love Franson for the Hawks! Could not play in top 7 for Preds, could not get rid of him fast enough when he played here a couple of years ago.
- VopatsRash

When is the western conference winners circle jerk going to happen? I'm assume it will be led by Lord of no Rings David Poile and chronic self pleasurer and Nashville sweetheart Mike Riberio

JJ when the hawks put hossa and rosie on LTRI the first day of the season and assuming the hawks keep Franson any idea what type a deal it would be? What kind of term and money is Franson looking for?

That price is dropping by the day. Duchene is not going to report to Training camp, IMO. Sakic has butchered this situation, and really that entire team. If he wasnt one of the greatest NHL Centers of all time, he would already have been fired.
- EnzoD

It's a huge cluster(frank). If Sakic had been even remotely reasonable Duchene would have landed in Raleigh before the draft.

the Preds are getting hit with injury bug - will be interesting to see the impact....
- glennjpawlak22

Besides Ellis (out 6 months) who else is injured for the Predators?

Debrincat will be a top 6 forward, either in Chicago or (more likely) Rockford.
- DarthKane

Agree. DeBrincat is the type of prospect who will need to play top 6 as he will not develop well being a checker/role player.

Besides Ellis (out 6 months) who else is injured for the Predators?
- AEL_Fox

http://www.tennessean.com...-bonino-injury/643412001/

It's a huge cluster(frank). If Sakic had been even remotely reasonable Duchene would have landed in Raleigh before the draft.
- BINGO!

He certainly wouldn't still be under contract with the Avs. Sakic has painted himself into a corner, and there's no easy way out now.

Anyone with a link for the game today?It seems that we cant get Fox up north here. I was watching a little of the Blue Jackets earlier on a Reddit link but they can be hit and miss at times.

Anyone with a link for the game today?It seems that we cant get Fox up north here. I was watching a little of the Blue Jackets earlier on a Reddit link but they can be hit and miss at times.
- eagle50

Try NHL.com. Its what I am using.

Try NHL.com. Its what I am using.
- TTtime

Thanks thats working....

Thanks thats working....
- eagle50

No problem. I made the classic rookie mistake. Apparently all times are Eastern. Its in between the 2nd and 3rd period. I think the Hawks are the visitors. Not sure though.

Edit: Nope. Losing 3-0. Norell moves exactly like Hjalmarsson. Its uncanny.

Says the very thirsty Nashville fan.....

Can't drink without a cup

And you will remain so for a VERY LONG TIME!!!!!!!!
- dahawks8819

But but but .... they got dead catfish....

You mean how the Preds traded for him going into the playoffs and he played all but one game for them in the playoffs that season. I remember that year, when the Hawks took advantage of Seth Jones and Roman Josi. Franson wasn't too bad playing his 15 minutes a night.

The same Franson who left as UFA and signed with another team. Clearly the Preds didn't want him so badly that they gave up a 1st in the trade (Travis Konecny) to require him.

Let's recap....

Could not play in the top 7 for the Preds - False (he did and was an okay 3rd pair D on a D heavy team)

Preds could not get rid of his fast enough - False (they actually went out and got him and he left as UFA because he wanted money)
- breadbag

Great job bb

Duchene would add new blood but then how are you keeping him and Saad in two years?
- wiz1901

When the CBA gets renegotiated in two years after a long strike.

You mean how the Preds traded for him going into the playoffs and he played all but one game for them in the playoffs that season. I remember that year, when the Hawks took advantage of Seth Jones and Roman Josi. Franson wasn't too bad playing his 15 minutes a night.

The same Franson who left as UFA and signed with another team. Clearly the Preds didn't want him so badly that they gave up a 1st in the trade (Travis Konecny) to require him.

Let's recap....

Could not play in the top 7 for the Preds - False (he did and was an okay 3rd pair D on a D heavy team)

Preds could not get rid of his fast enough - False (they actually went out and got him and he left as UFA because he wanted money)
- breadbag

Well played Bread...made my evening.

They don't have to wait until the second day of the season to get that cap is all. it's not a huge thing, but people want it to happen.
- JRoenick97

And that ^^^^^^is why I don't think it is smart move for Hawks to trade the Hossa contract for a first rounder, or a TOP prospect.

Sure, moving Hossa makes it a bit easier for Bowman to navigate the Cap. But, as for actual $$$$ to pay his roster it makes only a very small difference. Also, any floor team that gets Hossa is also gaining a lot. They get 5 million on their Cap hit for the bargain price of $1 million in REAL money.

I think a 2nd or 3rd rounder and maybe a lower ranked prospect is plenty. If somebody wanted more....too bad. Keep him and use the space around the rules.

And that ^^^^^^is why I don't think it is smart move for Hawks to trade the Hossa contract for a first rounder, or a TOP prospect.

Sure, moving Hossa makes it a bit easier for Bowman to navigate the Cap. But, as for actual $$$$ to pay his roster it makes only a very small difference. Also, any floor team that gets Hossa is also gaining a lot. They get 5 million on their Cap hit for the bargain price of $1 million in REAL money.

I think a 2nd or 3rd rounder and maybe a lower ranked prospect is plenty. If somebody wanted more....too bad. Keep him and use the space around the rules.
- hawk35

If we want to guess what it would take to unload Hossa's contract we should start with the price Florida paid to unload Bolland onto Arizona....then go up. Bolland had three years left at $5.5 million and Florida gave up a top prospect (and Bolland) for a 2nd and third round pick.

Since Hossa has 4 years left the price goes up. I'm not sure the actual quality of the prospect given up (Lawson Crouse) but if the Hawks don't have any prospects that good then the price of the draft pick goes up. Because the Hawks are a contender and in a pinch other GMs will look to maximize their return, so the price goes up.

The only question would be how much more would the price go up?

If we want to guess what it would take to unload Hossa's contract we should start with the price Florida paid to unload Bolland onto Arizona....then go up. Bolland had three years left at $5.5 million and Florida gave up a top prospect (and Bolland) for a 2nd and third round pick.

Since Hossa has 4 years left the price goes up. I'm not sure the actual quality of the prospect given up (Lawson Crouse) but if the Hawks don't have any prospects that good then the price of the draft pick goes up. Because the Hawks are a contender and in a pinch other GMs will look to maximize their return, so the price goes up.

The only question would be how much more would the price go up?
- DarthKane

I'm definitely ok with having Hossa on the team, even if LTIR. The 'Hawks need any and all trade pieces for other, as yet unknown moves.

If we want to guess what it would take to unload Hossa's contract we should start with the price Florida paid to unload Bolland onto Arizona....then go up. Bolland had three years left at $5.5 million and Florida gave up a top prospect (and Bolland) for a 2nd and third round pick.

Since Hossa has 4 years left the price goes up. I'm not sure the actual quality of the prospect given up (Lawson Crouse) but if the Hawks don't have any prospects that good then the price of the draft pick goes up. Because the Hawks are a contender and in a pinch other GMs will look to maximize their return, so the price goes up.

The only question would be how much more would the price go up?
- DarthKane

True. But in Bollands case the team actually PAYS 5.5 million per year for the Cap hit of 5.5 million. In Hossa'a case they pay just 1 million per year for the 5 million Cap hit. For a floor team this is substancial.

Hardly comparable, Hossa's contrac t would be far more advantageous to a team wanting to hit Cap floor and pay as little REAL $$$$ as possible.

I don't think the Bolland contract in any way influeneces what the Hawks might have to give to move Hossa's contract. And, as I said....if they never move it they still recoup MOST of the cap space, it is just the inconvenience of having to navigate it a bit closer.

I'm definitely ok with having Hossa on the team, even if LTIR. The 'Hawks need any and all trade pieces for other, as yet unknown moves.
- 35Tony0

I think this depends on a couple of things:

1. Is there even a remote chance Hossa can play (ie is there a potential new treatment / medication) on the horizon? If yes, keep Hossa. I know all signs point to Hossa being done, but it would not be prudent to consider the possibility that he could return.

2. What would the Hawks do with the cap space? There's no doubt they could spend it, but would the quality of player be worth it? Would they have to relinquish even more assets in a trade or wait until free agency next season? Unless Stan landed Tavares the list of UFAs next summer is underwhelming.

3. How many more years does the management think this team can contend? If the answer is 4 or less they'd have to consider trading Hossa even if the cost is high and the replacement forward isn't as good. The cost of doing nothing could be even higher.

True. But in Bollands case the team actually PAYS 5.5 million per year for the Cap hit of 5.5 million. In Hossa'a case they pay just 1 million per year for the 5 million Cap hit. For a floor team this is substancial.

Hardly comparable, Hossa's contrac t would be far more advantageous to a team wanting to hit Cap floor and pay as little REAL $$$$ as possible.

I don't think the Bolland contract in any way influeneces what the Hawks might have to give to move Hossa's contract. And, as I said....if they never move it they still recoup MOST of the cap space, it is just the inconvenience of having to navigate it a bit closer.
- hawk35

You bring up a good point about the actual dollars spent, $5.5 million for 3 years or $1 million for 4. However the problem is that no teams right now need help getting to the cap floor, they are all above it. Maybe that changes next season if there is significant can growth. Maybe not.

If we are talking about Bolland, would it be worth trading Hossa for Bolland if Hossa cannot be unloaded elsewhere? Chicago may add a small sweetener, but its two years on the LTIR instead of 4. Plus Arizona saves $7 million in actual dollars.