This is a common misconception, by the second half of his second year hedman had started putting up top pair level defensive numbers and his offensive numbers had started coming a long. He may not have "broken out" till year five but his numbers were good.

Id like to see risto under housley as well, im just thinking it might be easier for the team in the long run.
- Sabresfan-365

not sure about that. Hedman's best season point wise in his first 4 seasons was a 26 point campaign. Hedman was soft when he started. He was also playing with great offensive players (St. Louis, Stamkos, Lecavalier) while playing an easy to play/learn defensive trap system that Guy Boucher uses. Hedman's development has been much smoother.

This is a common misconception, by the second half of his second year hedman had started putting up top pair level defensive numbers and his offensive numbers had started coming a long. He may not have "broken out" till year five but his numbers were good.

Id like to see risto under housley as well, im just thinking it might be easier for the team in the long run.
- Sabresfan-365

Don't remember 100% but wasn't Hedman rarely used on the PP for a few years as well?

not sure about that. Hedman's best season point wise in his first 4 seasons was a 26 point campaign. Hedman was soft when he started. He was also playing with great offensive players (St. Louis, Stamkos, Lecavalier) while playing an easy to play/learn defensive trap system that Guy Boucher uses. Hedman's development has been much smoother.
- doppelthat

i agree its been much smoother, im saying its probably not fair to either player to compare them.

most of hedmans regular and advanced stats were in the top 4 range by the end of year two. Risto's are all over the place.

Don't remember 100% but wasn't Hedman rarely used on the PP for a few years as well?
- sbroads24

dont know for sure but only 3 of his 26 pts were from the PP in year 2 so its either that or they ran just the worst powerplay ever

maybe, hes kinda small though no?
- Sabresfan-365

But he's literally a giant, talking cricket in a tux. That alone would be enough to rattle the other team.

dont know for sure but only 3 of his 26 pts were from the PP in year 2 so its either that or they ran just the worst powerplay ever
- Sabresfan-365

His first 4 years he had a combined 10 PP points

His first 4 years he had a combined 10 PP points
- sbroads24

makes his 20-30 pts look a lot better

But he's literally a giant, talking cricket in a tux. That alone would be enough to rattle the other team.
- Wetbandit1

he is? wow ive missed out

Because Matthew Coller can never himself be wrong.

So when he boasted about Risto's advanced stats the year that he and Zadorov were on our 2nd pair, and how he would be an elite #1, partly because of them, he now needs to backpeddle because Risto's numbers are awful.

Coller is a fraud
- sbroads24

Or, it just goes to show that you can use stats to make any point you want, no matter the numbers.

That's pretty damning for stats, for now.

Or, it just goes to show that you can use stats to make any point you want, no matter the numbers.

That's pretty damning for stats, for now.
- Wetbandit1

Sure, but that's not anything new.

he is? wow ive missed out
- Sabresfan-365

His first 4 years he had a combined 10 PP points
- sbroads24

Since Stamkos came to the Lightning the whole pp goes cross ice passes for the one-timer. but from what I remember Hedman still wasn't used a great deal on the pp.

- Wetbandit1

Scale helps, too.

This is a common misconception, by the second half of his second year hedman had started putting up top pair level defensive numbers and his offensive numbers had started coming a long. He may not have "broken out" till year five but his numbers were good.

Id like to see risto under housley as well, im just thinking it might be easier for the team in the long run.
- Sabresfan-365

Tampa also had 103 points in Hedman's second season, so...

Scale helps, too.


- Der Kaiser

That's not a giant cricket?

Crickets are like an inch and a half long normally, that mother (frank)er weighs like a pound. And he talks! If you saw that for the first time you'd think someone slipped you a mickey, or you hit your head awfully hard in the toilet last night.

That's not a giant cricket?

Crickets are like an inch and a half long normally, that mother (frank)er weighs like a pound. And he talks! If you saw that for the first time you'd think someone slipped you a mickey, or you hit your head awfully hard in the toilet last night.
- Wetbandit1

Good point

That's not a giant cricket?

Crickets are like an inch and a half long normally, that mother (frank)er weighs like a pound. And he talks! If you saw that for the first time you'd think someone slipped you a mickey, or you hit your head awfully hard in the toilet last night.
- Wetbandit1

I can't count the number of times I woke up wondering what the hell happened the night before - but never once have I asked myself if this was a possibility.

Tampa also had 103 points in Hedman's second season, so...
- Wetbandit1

yeah i realize, i was saying the two situations just arent comparable at all

i agree its been much smoother, im saying its probably not fair to either player to compare them.

most of hedmans regular and advanced stats were in the top 4 range by the end of year two. Risto's are all over the place.
- Sabresfan-365

Agreed probably not the best comparison, But defensemen do take a while to develop especially when you have had 3 or 4 head coaches in that time and has been pretty much thrown to the wolves. Hedman always credits Ohlund (a fellow Swede) with his development, Risto never really had anyone like that that I can remember.

Buffalo fans all the time

Buffalo fans all the time

- ImThatGuy

potd

Agreed probably not the best comparison, But defensemen do take a while to develop especially when you have had 3 or 4 head coaches in that time and has been pretty much thrown to the wolves. Hedman always credits Ohlund (a fellow Swede) with his development, Risto never really had anyone like that that I can remember.
- doppelthat

agreed, these sort of factors can explain having some of the worst numbers among d-men but you cant really use it to make the assumption that if the situation was good he'd be a norris candidate.

agreed, these sort of factors can explain having some of the worst numbers among d-men but you cant really use it to make the assumption that if the situation was good he'd be a norris candidate.
- Sabresfan-365

I would say Hedman is the better talent. Risto's ceiling seems to be a solid first pairing dman

I can't count the number of times I woke up wondering what the hell happened the night before - but never once have I asked myself if this was a possibility.
- Der Kaiser

Ask Tyler Ennis.

I would say Hedman is the better talent. Risto's ceiling seems to be a solid first pairing dman
- doppelthat

In a year or two, Eichel O'Reilly, Mittelstadt, Pu and asplund will be competing for four center spots which will make Reinhart expendable in exchange for a d man. Idk who you could get but Risto, McCabe, Guhle and a new guy will make a solid top 4. We're gonna be center heavy with a defense by committee approach like Pittsburgh