I seriously doubt the Hawks will even come close to landing Duchene. That's not to say Stan hasn't inquired, but I just can see a deal of this magnitude between division rivals. Plus, I don't see Chicago having the type of assets Sakic would want in return. On the flip side, is Duchene really worth it? Is he really worth giving up the team's young talent (some of which is legit) when there's not that much of it?
- DarthKane

Dam right he is.......and dam right Schmaltz or Debrincat is worth it! Ya got Toews his boy and Duchene would go right next to AA and Kane!

Man, such a waste to pay Franson anything close to $2m. It needs to be able to be buried or really close.
- L_B_R

Lets hope he has a couple good weeks in camp and jumps ship to a team that makes him a firm contract offer. He's another Steve Montador waiting to happen.

Lets hope he has a couple good weeks in camp and jumps ship to a team that makes him a firm contract offer. He's another Steve Montador waiting to happen.
- RickJ

I'm not against Franson signing, he could be good insurance 6/7, but it needs to not be at a cap hit that will hinder them down the road.

They've also just been pretty bad when it comes to evaluating older vet d-men to bring to the team, by signing or trade: Timonen - practically dead; Daley - 4/5, but not fit for Q's system; Scuderi - an inanimate object; Ehrhoff - washed up; Oduya - not fully recovered, missing a step; and even Campbell - wasn't what Q wanted. It's been like 4 years since they've signed a good, vet d-man that can be 6/7. I hope Franson is the next one, but again, only at the right price.

I seriously doubt the Hawks will even come close to landing Duchene. That's not to say Stan hasn't inquired, but I just can see a deal of this magnitude between division rivals. Plus, I don't see Chicago having the type of assets Sakic would want in return. On the flip side, is Duchene really worth it? Is he really worth giving up the team's young talent (some of which is legit) when there's not that much of it?
- DarthKane

When you say "I don't see Chicago having the type of assets Sakic would want in return," you could think outside the so called conventional box as far as Sakic's mindset goes.

I mean he badly needs and must realize priority is to land a young promising dman like Trouba or Dumba. He can offer Landeskog for that sort of deal and if he so chooses there is Bowman with Hartman for Salic as the principal points in bartering. The inclusion of Forsling is not a bad idea, but reality is that Forsling is not yet proven to be an up and coming staple on your blue line. Might he become just that? Until Forsling shows better - he has to play regularly in Chicago to begin with - he is not a chip in the trade equation whom anyone is panting or salivating to acquire.

I personally love Kempny speed and toughness and if a first round choice to the Avalanche was included, might Sakic be tempted. But, of course the quality prospect that future pick yields is not necessarily going to be a blue chip prospect...so keep that in mind.

Where there is smoke there may be a fire burning, so perhaps a dialogue continues between Bowman and Sakic. The quality of offers could change as rosters become set after the exhibition slate plays out. Sakic's speed and usage in all situations could be useful in Chicago. Elsewhere too. Let's see wait until after the exhibition games and reasses. Don't know if a fair offer may come from either side.

Lets hope he has a couple good weeks in camp and jumps ship to a team that makes him a firm contract offer. He's another Steve Montador waiting to happen.
- RickJ

Except Montador was being asked to play top 4 mins, I believe, and was being paid a lot more.

Lets see what his contract is and where he plays.

If he is making $1 mil or less, and playing #6 mins, I don't think it will be that bad.

A chunk will go to Franson, likely $1-$2 million. Keep in mind that Duchene puts the Hawks in a tough position next season as they don't start the season with Hossa on the LTIR.
- DarthKane

I thought if you end the season on LTIR, you can start the next season on LTIR.

Dam right he is.......and dam right Schmaltz or Debrincat is worth it! Ya got Toews his boy and Duchene would go right next to AA and Kane!
- wonthecup10

I think Schmaltz will be > Duschene very soon, Best I'd do is ADB, Gus and a first for Duschene, but Sakic is likely looking for more. Other option is AA+ headed to Colorado to off set some of the Cap hit, depends how other centers look in camp.

Yeah, I am not one of those websites but I have respectfully controlled myself from giving you JJ a nasty big reality check.


Like a few others my heart broke with the Columbus and Arizona trades.
I simply appreciated Hammer maybe at Q - levels...the guy freaking blocked so many never didn't play and probably SHOULD have had some rest, and maybe after attempting to sit through the Nashville games three and four again recently, I may have had blinders on. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND both sides of the re-mix and that we inally reached the decline in the Blackhawk tribe era, somethng I was ripped on here years agom when I said we have 5-6 years after the first one based on Cap and personel

Laurent Dauphin ("dolfin, can we call him "flipper?") is to me more of a pliable two way prospect inthe scheme of things.

The numbers are set in terms of the hawks having to send some through waviers, in fact more than many realize.
Sure, the best players wins the job is the marching song.

This kid easily can be sent down where others can't.

I watched this guy in the QMJHL and always though he gets drafted fairly early because, at some instance in a few more years, he clicks on all cylinders and puts together the offensive skills I saw he had. he's not small, and he has a bit more experience as Centre than Nick Schmaltz.
The slow a foot Mitchell is in camp as back up plan who they wouldn't wrry about sending down to the minors through waviers as an insurance for later.

I am not sure Dauphin even competes and beats Kero at this point.

IF he could find the back of the net and be more active in the wall work, and in Q's back side pressure he stays...but IF he doesn't, he is an easy send down w/o loss.

I don't think he stays in the press bix IF he doesn't show he is comoletely ready for prime time as an active scoring threat/st up guy. PERIOD.
Sorry.

A luxury. Just like Alex DeBrincat IF he doesn't produce from the onset. Remember Wiz here said ADB was gonna get every shot to play here too in August ..so both guys stay only if the beat out experience "Q-safe" vets.

I thought if you end the season on LTIR, you can start the next season on LTIR.
- tvetter

Nope, it resets every off-season and that creates the challenge wit Hossa's contract situation.

Yeah, I am not one of those websites but I have respectfully controlled myself from giving you JJ a nasty big reality check.


Like a few others my heart broke with the Columbus and Arizona trades.
I simply appreciated Hammer maybe at Q - levels...the guy freaking blocked so many never didn't play and probably SHOULD have had some rest, and maybe after attempting to sit through the Nashville games three and four again recently, I may have had blinders on. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND both sides of the re-mix and that we inally reached the decline in the Blackhawk tribe era, somethng I was ripped on here years agom when I said we have 5-6 years after the first one based on Cap and personel

Laurent Dauphin ("dolfin, can we call him "flipper?") is to me more of a pliable two way prospect inthe scheme of things.

The numbers are set in terms of the hawks having to send some through waviers, in fact more than many realize.
Sure, the best players wins the job is the marching song.

This kid easily can be sent down where others can't.

I watched this guy in the QMJHL and always though he gets drafted fairly early because, at some instance in a few more years, he clicks on all cylinders and puts together the offensive skills I saw he had. he's not small, and he has a bit more experience as Centre than Nick Schmaltz.
The slow a foot Mitchell is in camp as back up plan who they wouldn't wrry about sending down to the minors through waviers as an insurance for later.

I am not sure Dauphin even competes and beats Kero at this point.

IF he could find the back of the net and be more active in the wall work, and in Q's back side pressure he stays...but IF he doesn't, he is an easy send down w/o loss.

I don't think he stays in the press bix IF he doesn't show he is comoletely ready for prime time as an active scoring threat/st up guy. PERIOD.
Sorry.

A luxury. Just like Alex DeBrincat IF he doesn't produce from the onset. Remember Wiz here said ADB was gonna get every shot to play here too in August ..so both guys stay only if the beat out experience "Q-safe" vets.
- wiz1901

Yes we can, and we should

I don't know if Flipper will start the season with the Hawks, but I would imagine he'll get called up at some point during the season.

I think Schmaltz will be > Duschene very soon, Best I'd do is ADB, Gus and a first for Duschene, but Sakic is likely looking for more. Other option is AA+ headed to Colorado to off set some of the Cap hit, depends how other centers look in camp.
- bhawk1s

I don't know if Schmaltz will ever be better than Duchene. Fingers cross that he is, but those are lofty expectations.

My concern with any potential Duchene trade is the Hawks forgoing the depth they seem to have finally created only to become a 2 line team (albeit 2 very good lines).

Salary would have to go the other way, the most likely candidate would be Anisimov. Would acquiring Duchene while losing AA plus a combination of Schmaltz, Hartman, Hayden and Debrincat (not all these guys, just some) make the Hawks materially better?

Keep in mind that one theme that appeared through Stan's trades this summer was contract stability. The Hawks would give up AA for 4 years at $4.55 plus 1-2 young cost controlled salaries for 2 years of Duchene at $6 million.

Listening to Q presser, sounds a lot like Schmaltz may be a candidate to center the 2nd line. Expects to improve on faceoffs. Got a long way to go on that. Think he likes Schmaltz puck possession ability.

Listening to Q presser, sounds a lot like Schmaltz may be a candidate to center the 2nd line. Expects to improve on faceoffs. Got a long way to go on that. Think he likes Schmaltz puck possession ability.
- kwolf68

Who stands infront of the net?

Who stands infront of the net?

- Weakglovehand20

Hayden

Hayden
- vabeachbear

And one memorable Penalty Shot goal if memory serves....

Yeah, I am not one of those websites but I have respectfully controlled myself from giving you JJ a nasty big reality check.


Like a few others my heart broke with the Columbus and Arizona trades.
I simply appreciated Hammer maybe at Q - levels...the guy freaking blocked so many never didn't play and probably SHOULD have had some rest, and maybe after attempting to sit through the Nashville games three and four again recently, I may have had blinders on. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND both sides of the re-mix and that we inally reached the decline in the Blackhawk tribe era, somethng I was ripped on here years agom when I said we have 5-6 years after the first one based on Cap and personel

Laurent Dauphin ("dolfin, can we call him "flipper?") is to me more of a pliable two way prospect inthe scheme of things.


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- wiz1901

No to "Flipper" - show the Heir to the French Throne some respect.

Snuggerud is having a hell of a camp so far. He's putting himself in a solid position, he'll still need a season in Rockford, but he could be in the plans for 18/19.

I don't know if Schmaltz will ever be better than Duchene. Fingers cross that he is, but those are lofty expectations.

My concern with any potential Duchene trade is the Hawks forgoing the depth they seem to have finally created only to become a 2 line team (albeit 2 very good lines).

Salary would have to go the other way, the most likely candidate would be Anisimov. Would acquiring Duchene while losing AA plus a combination of Schmaltz, Hartman, Hayden and Debrincat (not all these guys, just some) make the Hawks materially better?

Keep in mind that one theme that appeared through Stan's trades this summer was contract stability. The Hawks would give up AA for 4 years at $4.55 plus 1-2 young cost controlled salaries for 2 years of Duchene at $6 million.
- DarthKane

Well Schmaltz may not ever be better than Duchene was, but within 2 years I think he would be a better choice, Duchene was not that far ahead last year and although +/- can be debated as more of a team than individual rating, thats a big number he has there. Duchene would be a nice upgrade for us now for sure, but not by trading away prospects who may be ahead of him in a couple years, I have no problem moving ADB, we have more than enough smurfs.

AA is needed unless somebody steps up at center in training camp, if Schmaltz looks good at center, move AA+ and second line is Duchene,Schmaltz, Kane. We seem to have plenty of candidates in camp for 3rd, 4th center (kero, Dauphin, mitchell, lewis, pellieter, and several others who have played center including Duchene)


Games Goals Assists Points +/-
Schmaltz 61 6 22 28 10
Duchene 77 18 23 41 -34

Hi all, been a minute.

I am excited to see Dauphin develop. Sounds like a decent bottom six forward in the makings.

Regarding Duchene, guy checks a lot of boxes. He takes a huge load off of Toews in the dot(this Hawks roster only has one option above 50%), has elite speed to stretch teams, and plays a good two way game. Finally, he's not an injury concern at that cap hit(AA misses lots of time)

I'm not sure the Blackhawks can afford what a acquiring Duchene does to their depth. However, I'm also not sure what not acquiring Duchene does if the Preds or another central team acquires him instead.

I think that's part of it, control what you can control, but sometimes you need to play keep away.

I am curious if a package like AA+Forsling+Hartman gets it done and then IF that makes the Hawks better.

Anyone know why Duchene's production fell so much last year?

I wouldn t give hartman up to much upside kinda a glue guy. AA forsling debricant and 1St 2019 for 2million retain and lindholm d man and duchene maybe avs add a draft pick maybe not personally i wouldn't trade for duchene i wait and try get evander kane at the tdl to much depth. And future given up

Football season over, bring on Hockey

I'm not against Franson signing, he could be good insurance 6/7, but it needs to not be at a cap hit that will hinder them down the road.

They've also just been pretty bad when it comes to evaluating older vet d-men to bring to the team, by signing or trade: Timonen - practically dead; Daley - 4/5, but not fit for Q's system; Scuderi - an inanimate object; Ehrhoff - washed up; Oduya - not fully recovered, missing a step; and even Campbell - wasn't what Q wanted. It's been like 4 years since they've signed a good, vet d-man that can be 6/7. I hope Franson is the next one, but again, only at the right price.
- L_B_R

Franson is only 30 and has played on some bad teams. i would like to see him play with the Hawks before judging. As a PTO he still can sign with any team. So there is some competition for his services.

A chunk will go to Franson, likely $1-$2 million. Keep in mind that Duchene puts the Hawks in a tough position next season as they don't start the season with Hossa on the LTIR.
- DarthKane


I thought if you end the season on LTIR, you can start the next season on LTIR.

Hawks are not getting Duchene. But if they somehow did...Hossa's contract would have to be dealt to the Avs.

Listening to Q presser, sounds a lot like Schmaltz may be a candidate to center the 2nd line. Expects to improve on faceoffs. Got a long way to go on that. Think he likes Schmaltz puck possession ability.
- kwolf68

Definitely sounded like that - he was effusive about that DBC-Schmaltz-Kane line. On the other hand, he gave the damning "they looked OK" on the Toews line and on Saad in particular.

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