He is an enigma. The kid produces at the NHL level and can't stick with a team. I think he's been on 5 different teams in 8 NHL seasons. Some of those teams being really bad yet his career totals aren't bad.

473 gp, 131 g, 82 a, 213 pts. with a career +13.
- bloatedmosquito

It's odd I agree, but when given decent minutes (NYI, NYR) the guy can clearly score. Both he and Weal went from waiver pickups to significant contracts. I was simply pointing out it can happen. I know it's unlikely, but picking 2nd doesnt hurt. I'd take a flyer on rychel or kapanen 100%. Leafs will not Kap go, similar to Hyman (is still not waiver exempt) they will put them in the pressbox and not expose him.

It's odd I agree, but when given decent minutes (NYI, NYR) the guy can clearly score. Both he and Weal went from waiver pickups to significant contracts. I was simply pointing out it can happen. I know it's unlikely, but picking 2nd doesnt hurt. I'd take a flyer on rychel or kapanen 100%. Leafs will not Kap go, similar to Hyman (is still not waiver exempt) they will put them in the pressbox and not expose him.
- neem55

Next year we will get first crack

It's odd I agree, but when given decent minutes (NYI, NYR) the guy can clearly score. Both he and Weal went from waiver pickups to significant contracts. I was simply pointing out it can happen. I know it's unlikely, but picking 2nd doesnt hurt. I'd take a flyer on rychel or kapanen 100%. Leafs will not Kap go, similar to Hyman (is still not waiver exempt) they will put them in the pressbox and not expose him.
- neem55

He can score it's just that he doesn't make anyone around him better. I think that drives a coach bonkers.

The last 5-6 teams to win got their best players through the draft. So... many.
- neem55

Respectfully...yes and no. Drafting is really only about 30-40% of the process. The rest involve many aspects that need to fall into place at the right time for championship status.

Just for Shi**ts and giggles I looked up the past 5-6 cup champs, and on average only 9-12 players on any given past few cup champs were actually drafted by their given teams:

2017 Pens - 11
2016 Pens - 11
2015 Hawks - 12
2014 Kings - 11
2013 Hawks - 10
2012 Kings - 10

Now of course there is a slight margin of error there but still, it all fits into that 30-40% range where the rest of those championship rosters are rounded out by trades...UFA's...undrafted players...so forth and so on.

So yes drafting a 'core' is important. But drafting alone does not win cups...way too many other factors at play.

Unfortunately, JB isn't Tony Stark.
- bloatedmosquito

HA!

Respectfully...yes and no. Drafting is really only about 30-40% of the process. The rest involve many aspects that need to fall into place at the right time for championship status.

Just for Shi**ts and giggles I looked up the past 5-6 cup champs, and on average only 9-12 players on any given past few cup champs were actually drafted by their given teams:

2017 Pens - 11
2016 Pens - 11
2015 Hawks - 12
2014 Kings - 11
2013 Hawks - 10
2012 Kings - 10

Now of course there is a slight margin of error there but still, it all fits into that 30-40% range where the rest of those championship rosters are rounded out by trades...UFA's...undrafted players...so forth and so on.

So yes drafting a 'core' is important. But drafting alone does not win cups...way too many other factors at play.
- LordHumungous

In baseball it happens all the time but in the NHL has there ever been a Cup winner that 'bought' their championship?

Unfortunately, JB isn't Tony Stark.
- bloatedmosquito

I see Lefty is geting his lunch to go
- VANTEL

So hot!!!

He is an enigma. The kid produces at the NHL level and can't stick with a team. I think he's been on 5 different teams in 8 NHL seasons. Some of those teams being really bad yet his career totals aren't bad.

473 gp, 131 g, 82 a, 213 pts. with a career +13.
- bloatedmosquito

And he is a SHG wizard at times

HA!
- LordHumungous

Not to distract from the riveting conversation about how bad the canucks are but every time someone on here posts the word Scraps all I can think about is that line in the Iron Man movie. Jeff Bridges played a good villain.

And he is a SHG wizard at times
- Nighthawk

He must be a Richard.

- Codes1087

Now that's a scary boss.

Not to distract from the riveting conversation about how bad the canucks are but every time someone on here posts the word Scraps all I can think about is that line in the Iron Man movie. Jeff Bridges played a good villain.
- bloatedmosquito

Totally agree he pulled that role off well. I actually wasn't sold on the movie at first but after a couple viewings it's actually pretty well done.

I am buying a 6 pack for the Calgary game and another 6 pack for the China game just in case

In baseball it happens all the time but in the NHL has there ever been a Cup winner that 'bought' their championship?
- bloatedmosquito

I'm sure if one dug deep enough you could find it. Not sure off the top of my head though...

Totally agree he pulled that role off well. I actually wasn't sold on the movie at first but after a couple viewings it's actually pretty well done.
- LordHumungous

A couple of viewings

I'm sure if one dug deep enough you could find it. Not sure off the top of my head though...
- LordHumungous

Rangers messier

I am buying a 6 pack for the Calgary game and another 6 pack for the China game just in case
- VANTEL

It's wine tonight for the big Flames pounding of Van!!

A couple of viewings
- VANTEL

lol ya...I actually bought the movie and have watched it over 20 times now...

Rangers messier
- VANTEL

Good one..

lol ya...I actually bought the movie and have watched it over 20 times now...
- LordHumungous

WOW

Respectfully...yes and no. Drafting is really only about 30-40% of the process. The rest involve many aspects that need to fall into place at the right time for championship status.

Just for Shi**ts and giggles I looked up the past 5-6 cup champs, and on average only 9-12 players on any given past few cup champs were actually drafted by their given teams:

2017 Pens - 11
2016 Pens - 11
2015 Hawks - 12
2014 Kings - 11
2013 Hawks - 10
2012 Kings - 10

Now of course there is a slight margin of error there but still, it all fits into that 30-40% range where the rest of those championship rosters are rounded out by trades...UFA's...undrafted players...so forth and so on.

So yes drafting a 'core' is important. But drafting alone does not win cups...way too many other factors at play.
- LordHumungous

According to your sample the average of a roster that is drafted is 47% (10.83/23) which is the 40-50% range.

Some of those 47% are the teams very best players, PERIOD. Letang, Crosby,Malkin,Fluery, Murray, Kane, Toews, Crawford Seabrook, Quick, Doughty, Kopitar, Muzzin.

Do you have to add other players that could be considered core? I'd say yes, usually they add one or two. Hossa, Carter, Kessel I would say are core guys. I'm not denying you add to your core. I'm just saying you draft it first and then you tinker. All modern winners are built this way (and I very rarely use absolute statements, but I think I'm on strong ground here).

Rangers messier
- VANTEL

That might be one! Well done. Going to look at roster now... Stand by.

lol ya...I actually bought the movie and have watched it over 20 times now...
- LordHumungous

Netflix?

That might be one! Well done. Going to look at roster now... Stand by.
- bloatedmosquito

Leetch, Richter, Graves all drafted