Seeing Henrik not able to raise the puck more then half way up the net was ________
- manvanfan

The Sedin's will be slightly better this year, but the Canucks will still suck over an 82 game schedule....which is perfect for the tank/rebuild!

#tankuverymuch

The Sedin's will be slightly better this year, but the Canucks will still suck over an 82 game schedule....which is perfect for the tank/rebuild!

#tankuverymuch
- LeftCoaster

The only time in the past 5 seasons that the Sedin's have been better is when they made the playoffs. If the team doesn't do any better then I don't think the Sedin's will either.

In terms of pre season play and needing waivers. JV has outplayed Rodin but doesn't need waivers. Biega and Pedan also get to stay. Holm, McEneny go down. Boucher also gets waived. He's been given a pretty good opportunity and hasn't shown enough.
- manvanfan

McEneny will have to be placed on waivers to go down. Hope he gets a chance to show himself more in pre-season.
He has improved every year since signed and is a better all-round defenseman than Biega/Pedan, although I would like to see Pedan given a real shot as well.
If Gudbranson doesn't step it up this season, both Pedan and McEneny are more than adequate replacements during the transition period.

The only time in the past 5 seasons that the Sedin's have been better is when they made the playoffs. If the team doesn't do any better then I don't think the Sedin's will either.
- manvanfan

Yeah they have been the engine. Though would be nice for developnent if other players to do better or more and prove Canucks can go on without Sedins.

The Sedin's will be slightly better this year, but the Canucks will still suck over an 82 game schedule....which is perfect for the tank/rebuild!

#tankuverymuch
- LeftCoaster

Another top 5 pick would be nice but I think we will have to get a little lucky at the lottery as I think we end up bottom 10.

Another top 5 pick would be nice but I think we will have to get a little lucky at the lottery as I think we end up bottom 10.
- Reubenkincade

This draft could be close to the 2015 draft where you can get a Werenski at 8, Ratanen at 10. Good draft with lots of quality. Less worried about where Van finishes this season and more the development of the players that are close to NHL ready.

Yeah they have been the engine. Though would be nice for developnent if other players to do better or more and prove Canucks can go on without Sedins.
- Nuck4U

I've said for a while now that the team will return to being in the playoffs when the production of the Sedins of old was replaced. They have a lot of secondary scoring behind them.

This draft could be close to the 2015 draft where you can get a Werenski at 8, Ratanen at 10. Good draft with lots of quality. Less worried about where Van finishes this season and more the development of the players that are close to NHL ready.
- manvanfan

Agreed. 10 guys that could be serious game changers, 4 of them defensemen. I like it.

I've said for a while now that the team will return to being in the playoffs when the production of the Sedins of old was replaced. They have a lot of secondary scoring behind them.
- manvanfan

There are some candidates that might get there in in a few years. But for now replacing the post 2014 Sedin production is needed to avoid their extension. That's what this season's success should be measured on that development.

The Sedin's will be slightly better this year, but the Canucks will still suck over an 82 game schedule....which is perfect for the tank/rebuild!

#tankuverymuch
- LeftCoaster

Doubt it tbh, I think people expecting decent bouncebacks from guys like Henrik, Daniel, Eriksson, Gudbranson will be disappointed. Hope I'm wrong(well, sorta...#tanknation)

I've said for a while now that the team will return to being in the playoffs when the production of the Sedins of old was replaced. They have a lot of secondary scoring behind them.
- manvanfan

do you mean a lot of secondary scoring right now? or coming up? Because the 2nd/3d/4th lines weren't exactly lighting it up last year..Bo was the only one with respectable point production if you look at everyone's points vs ice time.

Doubt it tbh, I think people expecting decent bouncebacks from guys like Henrik, Daniel, Eriksson, Gudbranson will be disappointed. Hope I'm wrong(well, sorta...#tanknation)
- Nucker101

Is Granlund still out till November? I don't remember reading anything new on this development.
- Retinalz

granlund just played actually. Scored a goal too

do you mean a lot of secondary scoring right now? or coming up? Because the 2nd/3d/4th lines weren't exactly lighting it up last year..Bo was the only one with respectable point production if you look at everyone's points vs ice time.
- Nucker101

When you are forced to play above your skill level and the team sucks, would make for lower stats.

Sutter's points would put him 80th. Lower end of 3rd line centers.
Sven 43rd for LW's. Mid pack 2nd line winger.
Granlund 179th in forwards. (he plays all over) Just inside top 9.
Horvat 40th among centers. Good 2nd line center.

So basically you have 2 players that score at 2nd line rate.
2 players that score at 3rd line rate.

Getting 2 players that score at 1st line rates will bring up a few of the other players scoring rates.

Still need to find another 2nd and another 3rd liners and 3 more 1st line scorers. I don't think i'm asking too much.

granlund just played actually. Scored a goal too
- SMBDragon

Even playing with Sutter and Dorsett.

When you are forced to play above your skill level and the team sucks, would make for lower stats.

Sutter's points would put him 80th. Lower end of 3rd line centers.
Sven 43rd for LW's. Mid pack 2nd line winger.
Granlund 179th in forwards. (he plays all over) Just inside top 9.
Horvat 40th among centers. Good 2nd line center.

So basically you have 2 players that score at 2nd line rate.
2 players that score at 3rd line rate.

Getting 2 players that score at 1st line rates will bring up a few of the other players scoring rates.

Still need to find another 2nd and another 3rd liners and 3 more 1st line scorers. I don't think i'm asking too much.
- manvanfan

Sutter finished 80th despite getting PP1 time and top 6 mins.

Sven, sure.

Granlund finished 179th with 17 mins a game(2nd liner mins)

Bo, sure.


Basically these "rates" are inflated due to ice time these guys shouldn't be getting. People acting like playing bottom 6 mins + no pp time on a good team is more beneficial for point production than getting PP time + more 5v5 ice time on a bad team are flat out wrong.


It's why guys like Boedker looked good in ARZ, but have sucked in SJ.

Sutter finished 80th despite getting PP1 time and top 6 mins.

Sven, sure.

Granlund finished 179th with 17 mins a game(2nd liner mins)

Bo, sure.


Basically these "rates" are inflated due to ice time these guys shouldn't be getting. People acting like playing bottom 6 mins + no pp time on a good team is more beneficial for point production than getting PP time + more 5v5 ice time on a bad team are flat out wrong.

It's why guys like Boedker looked good in ARZ, but have sucked in SJ.
- Nucker101

Granlund also had the 158th PPG avg among forwards who played 60 plus games. Which would put him in the range of a player who played 2nd line minutes.

Sutter would probably have more points if he didn't started 57% in the Dzone.

Much more to look at then just minutes and production.

I really don't think 2-3 shifts per game is going to change their scoring rates all that much.

Granlund also had the 158th PPG avg among forwards who played 60 plus games. Which would put him in the range of a player who played 2nd line minutes.

Sutter would probably have more points if he didn't started 57% in the Dzone.

Much more to look at then just minutes and production.

I really don't think 2-3 shifts per game is going to change their scoring rates all that much.
- manvanfan

158th PPG is pretty mediocre for a guy who played 17+ mins. Arguably replacement level player production. Hopefully he improves and gets a few more assists to go with the goals.

57% isn't that extreme. 17 mins instead of 12-14 mins is more than 2-3 shifts.

The only time in the past 5 seasons that the Sedin's have been better is when they made the playoffs. If the team doesn't do any better then I don't think the Sedin's will either.
- manvanfan

Two years ago Daniel had 28 goals 61 points and Henrik had 55 points, yet they still finished third last as a team. That was a decent year for both of them!

61 points actually put Daniel 37th in league scoring, so I guess what I'm saying is I disagree with your assessment. The Sedins can do relatively well and the team can still suck.

Two years ago Daniel had 28 goals 61 points and Henrik had 55 points, yet they still finished third last as a team. That was a decent year for both of them!

61 Points actually put Daniel 37th in league scoring, so I guess what I'm saying is I disagree with your assessment. The Sedins can do well and the team can still suck.
- LeftCoaster

fun fact: Sedins actually produce better in their minutes than Sutter/Granlund


this team sucks

158th PPG is pretty mediocre for a guy who played 17+ mins. Arguably replacement level player production. Hopefully he improves and gets a few more assists to go with the goals.

57% isn't that extreme. 17 mins instead of 12-14 mins is more than 2-3 shifts.
- Nucker101

17:36 to 15:36. That's the 90th to 180th forward. Since Granlund's PPG is in the 90-180th.

fun fact: Sedins actually produce better in their minutes than Sutter/Granlund


this team sucks
- Nucker101

It's such a collection of absolute nobody's, a bunch of middling and has-been players outside of Horvat. But that's where they are as a franchise and it'll get better with time. Even an idiot like Benning will have some hits on the draft floor.

#tankuverymuch

17:36 to 15:36. That's the 90th to 180th forward. Since Granlund's PPG is in the 90-180th.
- manvanfan

alright, but his ppg is much closer to 180 and his ice time much closer to 90th..meaning his point production was pretty mediocre. I actually like him better away from Sutter and better than Sutter in general so I'm hoping he boosts his P/60 this year.

Two years ago Daniel had 28 goals 61 points and Henrik had 55 points, yet they still finished third last as a team. That was a decent year for both of them!

61 points actually put Daniel 37th in league scoring, so I guess what I'm saying is I disagree with your assessment. The Sedins can do relatively well and the team can still suck.
- LeftCoaster

Daniel was 40 in 47 made playoffs. 47 in 73 missed. 76 in 82 made. 61 in 82 missed. 44 in 82 missed.

Henrik was 45 in 48, made playoffs. 50 in 70 missed. 73 in 82 made. 55 in 74 missed. 51 in 82 missed.

I guess my point is the team needs the Sedin's to be elite. Being "decent" won't change the team.

alright, but his ppg is much closer to 180 and his ice time much closer to 90th..meaning his point production was pretty mediocre. I actually like him better away from Sutter and better than Sutter in general so I'm hoping he boosts his P/60 this year.
- Nucker101

Sutter doesn't inspire offence.