I said "fully evaluate." Of course you can evaluate his work. My point is, we won't fully know how sucessful or unsuccessful he has been until we see the next core. He may not be the GM at that point. This is still the Sedin's team.
- CanuckDon

Agreed on the bolded part. I never thought he'd see the fruits of his labour

As for the rest, obviously you cant fully evaluate anything thats in progress, its still in progress. I just dont understand what 2 of 23 roster players have to do with evaluating JB's ability to build the next core.

If we are already pegging certain players as "the next core", can we not evaluate him (partially or fully) on those guys?

I said "fully evaluate." Of course you can evaluate his work. My point is, we won't fully know how sucessful or unsuccessful he has been until we see the next core. He may not be the GM at that point. This is still the Sedin's team.
- CanuckDon

it's still the sedins team. it's still aq's meddling. it's still linden's ineffectiveness. it's still mg's steaming pile of crap. it's still the negative media. it's still bettman's fault. it's still..... the rain's fault.

....but don't you ever lay any of it on benning. what was he supposed to do? admit that the team needed a rebuild from the beginning? no way man, a real man goes along with whatever gets him the job!

I gave him a couple years to clean house and use context when discussing his moves, but I am not sure what the Sedin's have to do with being able to evaluate his work.

Is it because they stopped them from bottoming out; because Trevor wants to help finish their careers winning games/making playoffs; or because they are eating up icetime from the kids?
- WhiteLie

I like sarcasm.

I don't understand people's desire to totally get rid of the twins. I've said the canucks have to do a better job managing the twins TOI but they deserve the right to determine when they retire.

I just don't think they should be on the 1st line or 1st unit PP.

http://www.vancourier.com...t-line-forward-1.23023252

Intersting, Baertchi performed at a borderline first line scoring rate when adjusted for ice time. I think he has been underrated a bit after Granlund's strong season and with the emergence of Boeser. It will be interesting to see if Bae can take the next step.

Agreed on the bolded part. I never thought he'd see the fruits of his labour

As for the rest, obviously you cant fully evaluate anything thats in progress, its still in progress. I just dont understand what 2 of 23 roster players have to do with evaluating JB's ability to build the next core.

If we are already pegging certain players as "the next core", can we not evaluate him (partially or fully) on those guys?
- WhiteLie

My point is not that he can't be evaluated, it's that we won't know for a few years how his building is going to play out. The kids could come together nicely and Peterrson could be a 1C. Or the team could still be terrible after the Sedin's and Edler are gone. I have no idea? It appears Nucker and RealityChecker have their verdict in and that's fine. I doubt Benning is still here in two seasons.

he would have been top 3 in scoring on this team last year we suck, he is decent
- CanuckDon

Ah, no. He's signed to a movable 1 year contract with no ntc.

He sucks and we should bury him on the fourth line....

http://www.vancourier.com/pass-it-to-bulis/is-sven-baertschi-a-first-line-forward-1.23023252

Intersting, Baertchi performed at a borderline first line scoring rate when adjusted for ice time. I think he has been underrated a bit after Granlund's strong season and with the emergence of Boeser. It will be interesting to see if Bae can take the next step.
- CanuckDon

This team so badly needs some of their players to show the potential people thought they had. Bae being a great example. Virt being another.

Time for the 1st rounders to start performing like 1st rounders.

You are so misunderstood. Such the victim.
- Marwood

Thanks for the morning hate. Will indulge a bit more. Sorry for the inconvenience. My thanks to the mods for allowing this respite. It is not meant to provoke but explain.

I can attest that I have apologized several times for my mistakes. Perhaps they have not been heard. Maybe further misteps have occurred and it's all been drowned out by the finger pointing.

I was wrong in that I realized too late that my beginning was flawed. Went from a casual lurker to a regular one. That didn't equate with credability to be a regular poster here. Silly and wrong to have been so naive in the ways of posting. Whatever adjustments I have made don't seem to get acknowledged as the early labels stick like crazy glue.

Gas lighting is well done here. The "you play the victim" or "ignore the antagonist" the latest mantras within posts. All meant to show displeasure and nullify any attempts to fit in. It is wrong of me to respond. Ignoring is what is preached but often selectively followed or applied. Once you get lit up on an impression reversal is resisted. A persona is applied and reactions are filtered through it. I am at fault for falling into it.

I don't believe in personalizing things as this is just a public message board of anonymous people trying to exchange hockey views. Though it has a personality to it and arises from the playful banter. That is great but my posts didn't hit the right chord in participating. So it always comes down to those associations and no use rebuking it.

Thus, while my own self esteem is in tack the handle/avatar has been attached a persona that is also malinged. Rightfully or wrongfully it is what it is and I accept it undeterred. It is not me that will take offense. I remain whole though this handle is ravaged. My posts are not personal just moments on a page about a topic that is of interest.

But use the response to fit whatever narrative that pleases. This place is for entertainment is it not. I expect no favor and deserve none as I don't cater to attach notions of popularity. It's okay being a Maverick here no matter the scorn that comes with it.

Ah, no. He's signed to a movable 1 year contract with no ntc.

He sucks and we should bury him on the fourth line....
- Pres.cup

That's the silver lining in all this.

I still think it's a ho-hum signing. Kind of redundant.

This team so badly needs some of their players to show the potential people thought they had. Bae being a great example. Virt being another.

Time for the 1st rounders to start performing like 1st rounders.
- bloatedmosquito

Yes, we need someone to step forward and establish themselves as a future core player. Hopefully that's Boeser but if Granlund or Bae can become legit top 6 forwards that will help speed things up as well. they are both on the fringe

Ah, no. He's signed to a movable 1 year contract with no ntc.

He sucks and we should bury him on the fourth line....
- Pres.cup

Pump & Dump

My point is not that he can't be evaluated, it's that we won't know for a few years how his building is going to play out. The kids could come together nicely and Peterrson could be a 1C. Or the team could still be terrible after the Sedin's and Edler are gone. I have no idea? It appears Nucker and RealityChecker have their verdict in and that's fine. I doubt Benning is still here in two seasons.
- CanuckDon

prospect cupboard

2013:
Horvat, Shinaruk, Subban, Gaunce, Cassels, Grenier, Jensen, Corrado, McEneny, Tommernes, Labate. Connata, Eriksson (goalie)

2017:
Petterson, Boeser, Lind, Gaudette, Gadjovich, Palmu, MacEwen, Juolevi, Virtanen, Lockwood, Chatfield, Brisebois, Demko, Dipietro

Benning is doing work. Rome wasn't built in a day, and Gillis's desire to trade 1st and 2nd round picks for veterans isn't going to fixed in a few seasons.

This team so badly needs some of their players to show the potential people thought they had. Bae being a great example. Virt being another.

Time for the 1st rounders to start performing like 1st rounders.
- bloatedmosquito

Virtanen is a bust for a 6th overall pick, let's just accept it. Will he still have a decent career, probably. Boeser will be fine, he'll prove to be a great pick at 22 or wherever he was picked, the others are too young yet.

Thanks for the morning hate. Will indulge a bit more. Sorry for the inconvenience. My thanks to the mods for allowing this respite. It is not meant to provoke but explain.

I can attest that I have apologized several times for my mistakes. Perhaps they have not been heard. Maybe further misteps have occurred and it's all been drowned out by the finger pointing.

I was wrong in that I realized too late that my beginning was flawed. Went from a casual lurker to a regular one. That didn't equate with credability to be a regular poster here. Silly and wrong to have been so naive in the ways of posting. Whatever adjustments I have made don't seem to get acknowledged as the early labels stick like crazy glue.

Gas lighting is well done here. The "you play the victim" or "ignore the antagonist" the latest mantras within posts. All meant to show displeasure and nullify any attempts to fit in. It is wrong of me to respond. Ignoring is what is preached but often selectively followed or applied. Once you get lit up on an impression reversal is resisted. A persona is applied and reactions are filtered through it. I am at fault for falling into it.

I don't believe in personalizing things as this is just a public message board of anonymous people trying to exchange hockey views. Though it has a personality to it and arises from the playful banter. That is great but my posts didn't hit the right chord in participating. So it always comes down to those associations and no use rebuking it.

Thus, while my own self esteem is in tack the handle/avatar has been attached a persona that is also malinged. Rightfully or wrongfully it is what it is and I accept it undeterred. It is not me that will take offense. I remain whole though this handle is ravaged. My posts are not personal just moments on a page about a topic that is of interest.

But use the response to fit whatever narrative that pleases. This place is for entertainment is it not. I expect no favor and deserve none as I don't cater to attach notions of popularity. It's okay being a Maverick here no matter the scorn that comes with it.
- Nuck4U

You're just the whipping boy at the moment.

If you lay low it's just a matter of time before Don takes over that roll. Bide one's time...

prospect cupboard

2013:
Horvat, Shinaruk, Subban, Gaunce, Cassels, Grenier, Jensen, Corrado, McEneny, Tommernes, Labate. Connata, Eriksson (goalie)

2017:
Petterson, Boeser, Lind, Gaudette, Gadjovich, Palmu, MacEwen, Juolevi, Virtanen, Lockwood, Chatfield, Brisebois, Demko, Dipietro

Benning is doing work. Rome wasn't built in a day, and Gillis's desire to trade 1st and 2nd round picks for veterans isn't going to fixed in a few seasons.
- Codes1087

also, Dahlen, Goblin and Treemadonna

I like sarcasm.

I don't understand people's desire to totally get rid of the twins. I've said the canucks have to do a better job managing the twins TOI but they deserve the right to determine when they retire.

I just don't think they should be on the 1st line or 1st unit PP.
- bloatedmosquito

I think thats part of the problem, there hasnt been anyone there to take over. Bo looked good but was shut down when he was treated by the opposition as the #1C, its harder to manage their minutes when the next in line hasnt been able to handle it. Hopefully this is the year

You're just the whipping boy at the moment.

If you lay low it's just a matter of time before Don takes over that roll. Bide one's time...
- bloatedmosquito

he is a better poster than you

prospect cupboard

2013:
Horvat, Shinaruk, Subban, Gaunce, Cassels, Grenier, Jensen, Corrado, McEneny, Tommernes, Labate. Connata, Eriksson (goalie)

2017:
Petterson, Boeser, Lind, Gaudette, Gadjovich, Palmu, MacEwen, Juolevi, Virtanen, Lockwood, Chatfield, Brisebois, Demko, Dipietro

Benning is doing work. Rome wasn't built in a day, and Gillis's desire to trade 1st and 2nd round picks for veterans isn't going to fixed in a few seasons.
- Codes1087

I'm not a Gillis apologist but trading 1st and 2nd round picks was also a trait of Nonis and Burkie. Seems to be modus operandi for this franchise.

My point is not that he can't be evaluated, it's that we won't know for a few years how his building is going to play out. The kids could come together nicely and Peterrson could be a 1C. Or the team could still be terrible after the Sedin's and Edler are gone. I have no idea? It appears Nucker and RealityChecker have their verdict in and that's fine. I doubt Benning is still here in two seasons.
- CanuckDon

Fair enough, I had a feeling it would be similar to a Tallon situation from Chicago. Spends time getting players in place but isnt around for the success.

I do think its fair to criticize the duration it has taken to accumulate prospects and the quality of them. Many are still big question marks despite the draft position, they may all still pan out but similarly could be mediocre or worse

he is a better poster than you
- CanuckDon

There's that mean streak again.

Why do you always treat this comment section like a popularity contest?

Thanks for the morning hate. Will indulge a bit more. Sorry for the inconvenience. My thanks to the mods for allowing this respite. It is not meant to provoke but explain.

I can attest that I have apologized several times for my mistakes. Perhaps they have not been heard. Maybe further misteps have occurred and it's all been drowned out by the finger pointing.

I was wrong in that I realized too late that my beginning was flawed. Went from a casual lurker to a regular one. That didn't equate with credability to be a regular poster here. Silly and wrong to have been so naive in the ways of posting. Whatever adjustments I have made don't seem to get acknowledged as the early labels stick like crazy glue.

Gas lighting is well done here. The "you play the victim" or "ignore the antagonist" the latest mantras within posts. All meant to show displeasure and nullify any attempts to fit in. It is wrong of me to respond. Ignoring is what is preached but often selectively followed or applied. Once you get lit up on an impression reversal is resisted. A persona is applied and reactions are filtered through it. I am at fault for falling into it.

I don't believe in personalizing things as this is just a public message board of anonymous people trying to exchange hockey views. Though it has a personality to it and arises from the playful banter. That is great but my posts didn't hit the right chord in participating. So it always comes down to those associations and no use rebuking it.

Thus, while my own self esteem is in tack the handle/avatar has been attached a persona that is also malinged. Rightfully or wrongfully it is what it is and I accept it undeterred. It is not me that will take offense. I remain whole though this handle is ravaged. My posts are not personal just moments on a page about a topic that is of interest.

But use the response to fit whatever narrative that pleases. This place is for entertainment is it not. I expect no favor and deserve none as I don't cater to attach notions of popularity. It's okay being a Maverick here no matter the scorn that comes with it.
- Nuck4U

My point is not that he can't be evaluated, it's that we won't know for a few years how his building is going to play out. The kids could come together nicely and Peterrson could be a 1C. Or the team could still be terrible after the Sedin's and Edler are gone. I have no idea? It appears Nucker and RealityChecker have their verdict in and that's fine. I doubt Benning is still here in two seasons.
- CanuckDon

you waive your pom poms and do your baghdad bob impression under the guise of being reasonable.

you can be reasonable and still criticize. benning has had some good moves but also some very bad moves. the first being the inability to recognize the team needed a rebuild.

you, and others, can justify it all you want by blaming others but there have been some BIG blunders under the benning regime.

the reason why, i and others have to come out so negatively is because of people like you who want to deflect and push the blame elsewhere. it's funny how there seems to be justifications out the wazoo about benning's moves but mg, aquaman, linden, wd et al are just idiots who have no justification other than stupidity.

anyway, keep typing out the PR statements don.

I'm not a Gillis apologist but trading 1st and 2nd round picks was also a trait of Nonis and Burkie. Seems to be modus operandi for this franchise.
- bloatedmosquito

100%. Can't blame Gillis 100% for that. All I am saying though, is that I am very critical of Benning on some of his moves and signings, but drafting is not something I can really critique him on. Virtanen and Juolevi, MAYBE. We would need to come back to this after Juolevi plays at the NHL level and Virtanen has a couple pro seasons under his belt

There's that mean streak again.

Why do you always treat this comment section like a popularity contest?
- bloatedmosquito

A little morning hate is a good thing

you waive your pom poms and do your baghdad bob impression under the guise of being reasonable.

you can be reasonable and still criticize. benning has had some good moves but also some very bad moves. the first being the inability to recognize the team needed a rebuild.

you, and others, can justify it all you want by blaming others but there have been some BIG blunders under the benning regime.

the reason why, i and others have to come out so negatively is because of people like you who want to deflect and push the blame elsewhere. it's funny how there seems to be justifications out the wazoo about benning's moves but mg, aquaman, linden, wd et al are just idiots who have no justification other than stupidity.

anyway, keep typing out the PR statements don.
- RealityChecker

There is being overly critical without seeing the positives, and then there is waving pom poms and seeing everything as a positive (which many posters today see). We need to give Benning credit where credit is due, and apart from the questionable decisions to draft both Virtanen and Juolevi instead of ______, he has filled our prospect cupboard quite nicely. Can we criticize him on his idiotic trade/signings of Gudbranson/Sbisa/Dorsett/Sutter, 100%. Benning should not be immune to criticism, and shouldn't have his tires pumped undeservedly.