you waive your pom poms and do your baghdad bob impression under the guise of being reasonable.

you can be reasonable and still criticize. benning has had some good moves but also some very bad moves. the first being the inability to recognize the team needed a rebuild.

you, and others, can justify it all you want by blaming others but there have been some BIG blunders under the benning regime.

the reason why, i and others have to come out so negatively is because of people like you who want to deflect and push the blame elsewhere. it's funny how there seems to be justifications out the wazoo about benning's moves but mg, aquaman, linden, wd et al are just idiots who have no justification other than stupidity.

anyway, keep typing out the PR statements don.
- RealityChecker

I generly don't criticize Linden. Aquilini? there are worse owners out there. I believe he has had influence over some of the moves and you don't. We just won't agree and that's fine. Benning has made plenty of stupid moves. Virtanen, Forsling, Vey etc. You can't win all your trades. If you approach trades like that? well you get Gillis. A GM that was paralyzed at the end of his tenure and couldn't pull the trigger anymore.

There is being overly critical without seeing the positives, and then there is waving pom poms and seeing everything as a positive (which many posters today see). We need to give Benning credit where credit is due, and apart from the questionable decisions to draft both Virtanen and Juolevi instead of ______, he has filled our prospect cupboard quite nicely. Can we criticize him on his idiotic trade/signings of Gudbranson/Sbisa/Dorsett/Sutter, 100%. Benning should not be immune to criticism, and shouldn't have his tires pumped undeservedly.
- Codes1087

3 full seasons with 3 drafts. it's time to stop pointing to the past.

Thanks for the morning hate. Will indulge a bit more. Sorry for the inconvenience. My thanks to the mods for allowing this respite. It is not meant to provoke but explain.

I can attest that I have apologized several times for my mistakes. Perhaps they have not been heard. Maybe further misteps have occurred and it's all been drowned out by the finger pointing.

I was wrong in that I realized too late that my beginning was flawed. Went from a casual lurker to a regular one. That didn't equate with credability to be a regular poster here. Silly and wrong to have been so naive in the ways of posting. Whatever adjustments I have made don't seem to get acknowledged as the early labels stick like crazy glue.

Gas lighting is well done here. The "you play the victim" or "ignore the antagonist" the latest mantras within posts. All meant to show displeasure and nullify any attempts to fit in. It is wrong of me to respond. Ignoring is what is preached but often selectively followed or applied. Once you get lit up on an impression reversal is resisted. A persona is applied and reactions are filtered through it. I am at fault for falling into it.

I don't believe in personalizing things as this is just a public message board of anonymous people trying to exchange hockey views. Though it has a personality to it and arises from the playful banter. That is great but my posts didn't hit the right chord in participating. So it always comes down to those associations and no use rebuking it.

Thus, while my own self esteem is in tack the handle/avatar has been attached a persona that is also malinged. Rightfully or wrongfully it is what it is and I accept it undeterred. It is not me that will take offense. I remain whole though this handle is ravaged. My posts are not personal just moments on a page about a topic that is of interest.

But use the response to fit whatever narrative that pleases. This place is for entertainment is it not. I expect no favor and deserve none as I don't cater to attach notions of popularity. It's okay being a Maverick here no matter the scorn that comes with it.
- Nuck4U

😒
Well, I'll give the benefit of the doubt that this is sincere.
I will not pile on and shall try to judge you only on the present and not the past.
Good luck.

Thanks for the morning hate. Will indulge a bit more. Sorry for the inconvenience. My thanks to the mods for allowing this respite. It is not meant to provoke but explain.

I can attest that I have apologized several times for my mistakes. Perhaps they have not been heard. Maybe further misteps have occurred and it's all been drowned out by the finger pointing.

I was wrong in that I realized too late that my beginning was flawed. Went from a casual lurker to a regular one. That didn't equate with credability to be a regular poster here. Silly and wrong to have been so naive in the ways of posting. Whatever adjustments I have made don't seem to get acknowledged as the early labels stick like crazy glue.

Gas lighting is well done here. The "you play the victim" or "ignore the antagonist" the latest mantras within posts. All meant to show displeasure and nullify any attempts to fit in. It is wrong of me to respond. Ignoring is what is preached but often selectively followed or applied. Once you get lit up on an impression reversal is resisted. A persona is applied and reactions are filtered through it. I am at fault for falling into it.

I don't believe in personalizing things as this is just a public message board of anonymous people trying to exchange hockey views. Though it has a personality to it and arises from the playful banter. That is great but my posts didn't hit the right chord in participating. So it always comes down to those associations and no use rebuking it.

Thus, while my own self esteem is in tack the handle/avatar has been attached a persona that is also malinged. Rightfully or wrongfully it is what it is and I accept it undeterred. It is not me that will take offense. I remain whole though this handle is ravaged. My posts are not personal just moments on a page about a topic that is of interest.

But use the response to fit whatever narrative that pleases. This place is for entertainment is it not. I expect no favor and deserve none as I don't cater to attach notions of popularity. It's okay being a Maverick here no matter the scorn that comes with it.
- Nuck4U

I appreciate the comment and would like to see less labels thrown by all. A lot of jabs are being tossed, and frankly its getting a little tiresome to see. Posters can ignore each other, it is very easy to do. You also do not need to engage with others or acknowledge their responses to your own posts.

Respecting HockeyBuzz Bloggers and users is a part of the CoC, so I encourage all to be respectful in the manner they converse.

Thanks

Now I will say DA deserves a shot at that. Personally I think Dorsett is done...injuries and his wreckless play haven't helped his career...although I appreciate his work ethic.

Vanek has played on some pretty bad (and worse) rosters than here and still managed over 40 pts wherever he is. With proper TOI I see no reason to suspect otherwise.
- LordHumungous

That's true, he actually did really well with the Wings last year, then not so good with Florida. Would you rather see Vanek put up 40+ points and get traded at TTD for a pick or give someone like Burm, JV, Goldy or Rodin a full year in Vaneks spot to develop at the NHL level?
To me the potential from those 4 guys could be high and they're between 21-25yrs old, so they could potentially be on this team for another 5-10 years. I'm more of a 'lets see what we got" than 'lets see what we could get"

you waive your pom poms and do your baghdad bob impression under the guise of being reasonable.

you can be reasonable and still criticize. benning has had some good moves but also some very bad moves. the first being the inability to recognize the team needed a rebuild.

you, and others, can justify it all you want by blaming others but there have been some BIG blunders under the benning regime.

the reason why, i and others have to come out so negatively is because of people like you who want to deflect and push the blame elsewhere. it's funny how there seems to be justifications out the wazoo about benning's moves but mg, aquaman, linden, wd et al are just idiots who have no justification other than stupidity.

anyway, keep typing out the PR statements don.
- RealityChecker

TLDR

Thanks for the reality check you bundle of joy.

I generly don't criticize Linden. Aquilini? there are worse owners out there. I believe he has had influence over some of the moves and you don't. We just won't agree and that's fine. Benning has made plenty of stupid moves. Virtanen, Forsling, Vey etc. You can't win all your trades. If you approach trades like that? well you get Gillis. A GM that was paralyzed at the end of his tenure and couldn't pull the trigger anymore.
- CanuckDon

The previous owners who refused to open the pocket book and potentially missed a cup run do to that refusal were way worse.

I generly don't criticize Linden. Aquilini? there are worse owners out there. I believe he has had influence over some of the moves and you don't. We just won't agree and that's fine. Benning has made plenty of stupid moves. Virtanen, Forsling, Vey etc. You can't win all your trades. If you approach trades like that? well you get Gillis. A GM that was paralyzed at the end of his tenure and couldn't pull the trigger anymore.
- CanuckDon

at least you pick a side and stick with it.

much better than the flip flopper who seems to change his opinions depending on the day, week or month.

3 full seasons with 3 drafts. it's time to stop pointing to the past.
- RealityChecker

to not acknowledge his accomplishments in 3 drafts would be crazy. He has done a decent to good job.

I think the point I was trying to make is though, even though Gillis has been gone for 3 years, his contracts are still very much apart of Bennings roster. Sedin+Sedin+Edler account for 19 million to the cap, which is essentially a quarter of Bennings entire cap. I am one of the more critical people on these boards of Benning, and have been very critical of his signs/trades, but you have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is still working with some of Gillis's roster mistakes.

I appreciate the comment and would like to see less labels thrown by all. A lot of jabs are being tossed, and frankly its getting a little tiresome to see. Posters can ignore each other, it is very easy to do. You also do not need to engage with others or acknowledge their responses to your own posts.

Respecting HockeyBuzz Bloggers and users is a part of the CoC, so I encourage all to be respectful in the manner they converse.

Thanks
- WhiteLie

to not acknowledge his accomplishments in 3 drafts would be crazy. He has done a decent to good job.

I think the point I was trying to make is though, even though Gillis has been gone for 3 years, his contracts are still very much apart of Bennings roster. Sedin+Sedin+Edler account for 19 million to the cap, which is essentially a quarter of Bennings entire cap. I am one of the more critical people on these boards of Benning, and have been very critical of his signs/trades, but you have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is still working with some of Gillis's roster mistakes.
- Codes1087

i understand what you are saying and agree to a certain extent, but your post also illuminates my frustration.

everybody piles on gillis' "mistakes" and uses that as a justification to give more rope to benning. however, could not gillis' "mistakes" have been justified at the time? he was operating under a different set of criteria. his moves were done for the present with little to no care of the longer term effects.

considering how close the team was at the time, some/most of the moves could be defended if not justified.

however, the team did not win and those moves are glaringly bad. if the team had won, who cares?

so to get back to the point, if you're going to justify benning's moves by pointing out the context, you have to do that with mg as well.

and you have to do that with the sedins, edler with their contracts. they have nmc's b/c they took less and negotiated it.

if you want to contextualize.... contextualize everything. don't pick and choose.

*btw, when i say "you," i'm not saying you specifically.

to not acknowledge his accomplishments in 3 drafts would be crazy. He has done a decent to good job.

I think the point I was trying to make is though, even though Gillis has been gone for 3 years, his contracts are still very much apart of Bennings roster. Sedin+Sedin+Edler account for 19 million to the cap, which is essentially a quarter of Bennings entire cap. I am one of the more critical people on these boards of Benning, and have been very critical of his signs/trades, but you have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is still working with some of Gillis's roster mistakes.
- Codes1087

You both make good points but I have to agree with RC, the past is the past and Benning has now had 3 drafts. Blaming Gillis, Burke & Nonis now is silly. This is Benning and Lindens mess now and we'll see by the end of this season, the true direction of this team. One more solid TDL and a top 5 pick should help. How the Sedins fare this season and if they are worthy of an extension are still big question marks in my eyes.

The previous owners who refused to open the pocket book and potentially missed a cup run do to that refusal were way worse.
- Pres.cup

Agreed, Aquilini is a meddler for sure but at least he is willing to invest in the team. The Comets will surely be in the top 5 in payroll this season.

i understand what you are saying and agree to a certain extent, but your post also illuminates my frustration.

everybody piles on gillis' "mistakes" and uses that as a justification to give more rope to benning. however, could not gillis' "mistakes" have been justified at the time? he was operating under a different set of criteria. his moves were done for the present with little to no care of the longer term effects.

considering how close the team was at the time, some/most of the moves could be defended if not justified.

however, the team did not win and those moves are glaringly bad. if the team had won, who cares?

so to get back to the point, if you're going to justify benning's moves by pointing out the context, you have to do that with mg as well.

and you have to do that with the sedins, edler with their contracts. they have nmc's b/c they took less and negotiated it.

if you want to contextualize.... contextualize everything. don't pick and choose.
- RealityChecker

I agree to an extent. Benning has been in charge long enough to be judged, but Gillis's drafting certainly caused some of his moves. Perhaps the management should be compared to other teams managment groups and not Gillis.

There is being overly critical without seeing the positives, and then there is waving pom poms and seeing everything as a positive (which many posters today see). We need to give Benning credit where credit is due, and apart from the questionable decisions to draft both Virtanen and Juolevi instead of ______, he has filled our prospect cupboard quite nicely. Can we criticize him on his idiotic trade/signings of Gudbranson/Sbisa/Dorsett/Sutter, 100%. Benning should not be immune to criticism, and shouldn't have his tires pumped undeservedly.
- Codes1087

Right now my biggest female dog is the veteran signings. the millers, vaneks, and vrbatas.

You both make good points but I have to agree with RC, the past is the past and Benning has now had 3 drafts. Blaming Gillis, Burke & Nonis now is silly. This is Benning and Lindens mess now and we'll see by the end of this season, the true direction of this team. One more solid TDL and a top 5 pick should help. How the Sedins fare this season and if they are worthy of an extension are still big question marks in my eyes.
- Marwood

All in all, waving poms poms for the team/benning and blindly hating management/benning are essentially the same thing. The only credit I will give Benning as far as roster decisions go is he is somewhat handcuffed with the Sedins and Edler. I was never critical of the Shinkaruk trade because I never liked Shink. Thought McCan for Gudbranson was an absolute idiotic move, same with Glendening for Forsling. Hated the Sutter extension more than I hated the trade cause Bonino can't skate. Hated the Sbisa and Dorsett signings. To be completely honest, I think there is far more to criticize about Benning than there is to praise, but I feel this topic is opening up a can of hate lol

Right now my biggest female dog is the veteran signings. the millers, vaneks, and vrbatas.
- bloatedmosquito

Erikkson!

You both make good points but I have to agree with RC, the past is the past and Benning has now had 3 drafts. Blaming Gillis, Burke & Nonis now is silly. This is Benning and Lindens mess now and we'll see by the end of this season, the true direction of this team. One more solid TDL and a top 5 pick should help. How the Sedins fare this season and if they are worthy of an extension are still big question marks in my eyes.
- Marwood

if they are brought back for a year as 3rd liners (for 3rd line $), i'd be fine.

if they are brought back as top 6, b/c the team has no alternatives, the team is fcuked anyway.

if they use the $14m to sign big name ufa's the team is fcuked and doomed to battling for a playoff spot at best for the next decade.

I appreciate the comment and would like to see less labels thrown by all. A lot of jabs are being tossed, and frankly its getting a little tiresome to see. Posters can ignore each other, it is very easy to do. You also do not need to engage with others or acknowledge their responses to your own posts.

Respecting HockeyBuzz Bloggers and users is a part of the CoC, so I encourage all to be respectful in the manner they converse.

Thanks
- WhiteLie

Doesn't that kind of go against our mutually agreed upon 'morning hate'.

Right now my biggest female dog is the veteran signings. the millers, vaneks, and vrbatas.
- bloatedmosquito

If Benning DOESN'T trade Vanek/Weircoch/Burmistrov/Dorsett(hopefully)/Gudbranson(hopefully), then I will think he is an complete idiot. I know not all of them will have good value, but he needs to get rid of them at TDL.

Erikkson!
- Marwood

such an awful deal.

Right now my biggest female dog is the veteran signings. the millers, vaneks, and vrbatas.
- bloatedmosquito

not the same.

the vet signings at the beginning made my head explode. goes with my frustration with not recognizing the need for a rebuild. (i feel like jules in pulp fiction, "say retool one more time...")

vanek on a one year deal and other vets on short term contracts is what they should have been doing all along.... well flipping those contracts at the tdl obviously.

😒
Well, I'll give the benefit of the doubt that this is sincere.
I will not pile on and shall try to judge you only on the present and not the past.
Good luck.
- Pres.cup

if they are brought back for a year as 3rd liners (for 3rd line $), i'd be fine.

if they are brought back as top 6, b/c the team has no alternatives, the team is fcuked anyway.

if they use the $14m to sign big name ufa's the team is fcuked and doomed to battling for a playoff spot at best for the next decade.
- RealityChecker

Or option 4, they play out the contacts. End of story.

It really depends on whether last season was a blip or another year of obvious decline.

Erikkson!
- Marwood

by far the worst move of this management group