not the same.

the vet signings at the beginning made my head explode. goes with my frustration with not recognizing the need for a rebuild. (i feel like jules in pulp fiction, "say retool one more time...")

vanek on a one year deal and other vets on short term contracts is what they should have been doing all along.... well flipping those contracts at the tdl obviously.
- RealityChecker

LL did an insanely good job acquiring 2nd round picks and dishing off a ton of players when he rebuilt, Benning should have been doing the same since he took over

Or option 4, they play out the contacts. End of story.

It really depends on whether last season was a blip or another year of obvious decline.
- Marwood

I want the Sedin's back, primarily because I am not sure Vantel will know what to do if they are gone

Erikkson!
- Marwood

Yes, forgot.

Miller
Vanek
Vrbata
Erikkson

I can't understand why. And I don't buy the mentoring angle or having to create a façade of making an effort to compete. That's BS.

Where's your avatar?


Edit: Weird there it is. Carry on.
- Marwood

Alrighty then, channeling my inner nighthawk

Bärtschi-Horvat-Boeser
Sedin-Sedin-Grandlund
Vaneck-Sutter-Virtanen
Eriksson-Gagner-Dorsett
Chaput

Edler-Tanev
Gudbranson-Del Zotto
Stecher-Hutton

Wiercoioch-Biega

Doesn't that kind of go against our mutually agreed upon 'morning hate'.
- bloatedmosquito

It does which is why I flagged his cop ass.

You both make good points but I have to agree with RC, the past is the past and Benning has now had 3 drafts. Blaming Gillis, Burke & Nonis now is silly. This is Benning and Lindens mess now and we'll see by the end of this season, the true direction of this team. One more solid TDL and a top 5 pick should help. How the Sedins fare this season and if they are worthy of an extension are still big question marks in my eyes.
- Marwood

Four drafts technically 2014, 2015, 2016 & 2017.

if they are brought back for a year as 3rd liners (for 3rd line $), i'd be fine.

if they are brought back as top 6, b/c the team has no alternatives, the team is fcuked anyway.

if they use the $14m to sign big name ufa's the team is fcuked and doomed to battling for a playoff spot at best for the next decade.
- RealityChecker

Alrighty then, channeling my inner nighthawk

Bärtschi-Horvat-Boeser
Sedin-Sedin-Grandlund
Vaneck-Sutter-Virtanen
Eriksson-Gagner-Dorsett
Chaput

Edler-Tanev
Gudbranson-Del Zotto
Stecher-Hutton

Wiercoioch-Biega
- Makita

come on Maky

Doesn't that kind of go against our mutually agreed upon 'morning hate'.
- bloatedmosquito

GFY

Four drafts technically 2014, 2015, 2016 & 2017.
- LeftCoaster

STFU.

i understand what you are saying and agree to a certain extent, but your post also illuminates my frustration.

everybody piles on gillis' "mistakes" and uses that as a justification to give more rope to benning. however, could not gillis' "mistakes" have been justified at the time? he was operating under a different set of criteria. his moves were done for the present with little to no care of the longer term effects.

considering how close the team was at the time, some/most of the moves could be defended if not justified.

however, the team did not win and those moves are glaringly bad. if the team had won, who cares?
so to get back to the point, if you're going to justify benning's moves by pointing out the context, you have to do that with mg as well.

and you have to do that with the sedins, edler with their contracts. they have nmc's b/c they took less and negotiated it.

if you want to contextualize.... contextualize everything. don't pick and choose.

*btw, when i say "you," i'm not saying you specifically.
- RealityChecker

I've been hard on Gillis here and there too. But I will give credit where it's due. We don't make no 2011 cup final without the shrewd moves Gills made. Lapierre, Torres, Malholtra, Hamhuis, Ehrhoff, Higgins, and a few others were all Gillis. And if we'd have closed out the Cup he literally would have came off as a genius.

My only really issue with Gillis was that he just followed along with what the Cup final teams had been doing in years before and locking up 9-10 players to long term NTC's...It was kind of the norm. Just like the Flames did after 2004 which handcuffed that club for a decade. So it is what it is.

It just would have been nice to see Gillis go in a different direction rather than 10-11 NTC's but what can you do? That was the norm for that time. Plus he should have recognized that moving out Kesler and a few other key elements after we were pounded by the Kings in 2012. THAT is when he really should have started some innovative thinking.

But here we are with JB. People think 3 drafts is enough to assess a GM...ridiculous. Most clubs that contend for a championship in the past while have seen 5 or more drafts produce NHL talent...then we can start talking about how shi**ty or great JB is IMO.

I agree to an extent. Benning has been in charge long enough to be judged, but Gillis's drafting certainly caused some of his moves. Perhaps the management should be compared to other teams managment groups and not Gillis.
- CanuckDon

i'd agree with that.

my frustration/anger (that i thought i buried a year or 2 ago) was the team (aq, linden, benning) refused to see the need for a rebuild.

i'm not scotty bowman, but jebus christ it was patently obvious after 2012.

the inability to recognize the need for a rebuild was a bigger mistake than mg's moves.

Yes, forgot.

Miller
Vanek
Vrbata
Erikkson

I can't understand why. And I don't buy the mentoring angle or having to create a façade of making an effort to compete. That's BS.
- bloatedmosquito

To you and woodchuck ..... it's Eriksson

i'd agree with that.

my frustration/anger (that i thought i buried a year or 2 ago) was the team (aq, linden, benning) refused to see the need for a rebuild.

i'm not scotty bowman, but jebus christ it was patently obvious after 2012.

the inability to recognize the need for a rebuild was a bigger mistake than mg's moves.
- RealityChecker

yes they waited too long...why they did? Only the people in the boardroom know. You can't fire the owner so Benning and Linden need to be accountable. I think they are doing it right this season but it should have happened as soon as Calgary wipped us in the playoffs.

i'd agree with that.

my frustration/anger (that i thought i buried a year or 2 ago) was the team (aq, linden, benning) refused to see the need for a rebuild.

i'm not scotty bowman, but jebus christ it was patently obvious after 2012.

the inability to recognize the need for a rebuild was a bigger mistake than mg's moves.
- RealityChecker

Greed.....Francesco thought he could keep that revenue stream flowing in because he's not a hockey guy and didn't understand the pro sports business.

not the same.

the vet signings at the beginning made my head explode. goes with my frustration with not recognizing the need for a rebuild. (i feel like jules in pulp fiction, "say retool one more time...")

vanek on a one year deal and other vets on short term contracts is what they should have been doing all along.... well flipping those contracts at the tdl obviously.
- RealityChecker

"I dare you, I double dare you mother (frank)er".

True true. Vanek is a different situation entirely but if that's the case then we won't see the true value of that signing until JB can turn it into something that has value.

TBH, I hope JB gets better at his trading abilities. His homerun percentage is low.

i'd agree with that.

my frustration/anger (that i thought i buried a year or 2 ago) was the team (aq, linden, benning) refused to see the need for a rebuild.

i'm not scotty bowman, but jebus christ it was patently obvious after 2012.

the inability to recognize the need for a rebuild was a bigger mistake than mg's moves.
- RealityChecker

It has been this franchises biggest disappointment/downfall since the 2011 cup run.

STFU.
- Marwood

also, Dahlen, Goblin and Treemadonna
- CanuckDon

Solid.
Ya regardless of what anyone thinks of Tree, his rights I'd imagine have descent value to an NHL team if he continues to do well.

To you and woodchuck ..... it's Eriksson
- LeftCoaster

I'm pretty sure that CONSTANTLY correcting peoples spelling errors is against the CoC.
I've gone straight to CaptEO about this while our Refs continue to eat donuts and play Pokeman.

😒
Well, I'll give the benefit of the doubt that this is sincere.
I will not pile on and shall try to judge you only on the present and not the past.
Good luck.
- Pres.cup

Thank you

I appreciate the comment and would like to see less labels thrown by all. A lot of jabs are being tossed, and frankly its getting a little tiresome to see. Posters can ignore each other, it is very easy to do. You also do not need to engage with others or acknowledge their responses to your own posts.

Respecting HockeyBuzz Bloggers and users is a part of the CoC, so I encourage all to be respectful in the manner they converse.

Thanks
- WhiteLie

Well said, thanks

It has been this franchises biggest disappointment/downfall since the 2011 cup run.
- Codes1087

this team can never move on from our players - bloody ring of honor

I'm pretty sure that CONSTANTLY correcting peoples spelling errors is against the CoC.
I've gone straight to CaptEO about this while our Refs continue to eat donuts and play Pokeman.
- Marwood

GFY...

Solid.
Ya regardless of what anyone thinks of Tree, his rights I'd imagine have descent value to an NHL team if he continues to do well.
- neem55

should be at least worth a decent pick I think.