Some people just get upset when someone challenges their views. If people make valid points or if I end up being wrong on something, I'll happily admit it. At the same time I won't assume someone is always wrong just because they used to defend Sbisa before everyone realized he sucked or the Sutter contract.

*shrug*
- Nucker101

I wasn't very impressed with Granlund last year despite scoring 19 goals but I'll admit he looks very impressive so far in the preseason. He looks like a legit center.
I'm not going to get too high on preseason but this team could possibly have 3 really solid lines this year.

Eriksson Horvat Boeser
Sedin Sedin Vanek
Baertschi Granlund Sutter
Virtanen Burmistov Gagner

I wasn't very impressed with Granlund last year despite scoring 19 goals but I'll admit he looks very impressive so far in the preseason. He looks like a legit center.
I'm not going to get too high on preseason but this team could possibly have 3 really solid lines this year.

Eriksson Horvat Boeser
Sedin Sedin Vanek
Baertschi Granlund Sutter
Virtanen Burmistov Gagner
- belcherbd

man the dude just played 8 minutes. Bo is on a completely different level then JV will ever be.
- manvanfan

He played 8 minutes because the entire second period was special teams - Archie, I believe had 2 shifts in 2 periods!! Megna had a ton of ice time cus he was killing penalties for 10 minutes. The distribution of ice isn't as cut and dry as some are using it as examples. Anyways, You're missing the point about 4th line minutes - I didn't say Bo and Jake we're on the same level.

He played 8 minutes because the entire second period was special teams - Archie, I believe had 2 shifts in 2 periods!! Megna had a ton of ice time cus he was killing penalties for 10 minutes. The distribution of ice isn't as cut and dry as some are using it as examples. Anyways, You're missing the point about 4th line minutes - I didn't say Bo and Jake we're on the same level.
- Brooks_Light

Try watching the games.

I won't argue with you, if you are so making such insane comments.

Playoffs anyone?

It was more of a point that he's not gonna score much playing 6-8 minutes on the Sutter-Dorsett line.
- Nucker101

Trade both those 6-8min bums.
Give JV Burmi & Gagner to play with.

Try watching the games.

I won't argue with you, if you are so making such insane comments.
- manvanfan

Hahah you're kinda a wiener you know that??

Watch the game again dippoop, Archi had his regular shifts in the 1st periods and had about 3-4 minutes in the final 2

Hahah you're kinda a wiener you know that??

Watch the game again dippoop, Archi had his regular shifts in the 1st periods and had about 3-4 minutes in the final 2
- Brooks_Light

4:37
7:20
12:06

Markstrom was good tonight, so was Granlund, Vanek and Eriksson. Edler was far and away our best Dman. I thought Hutton was decent as well, he looks bigger and more confident and was doing a decent job in front of the net with Lucic and Maroon.
- belcherbd

Nice take and you are right Hutton needs Tanev. My add ons are the following.

Nucker's theory that Granlund will fall in production this season because his shooting percentage was high is bunk. Booner had it right he's due for breakout and I say at Center and special teams. More minute means more oppportunity Nucker.

Also, Nucker's theory about JV linemates is bunk when he keeps talking about Sutter. He hasn't played with Sutter or DD nor will he so stop saying it as reason to send down. JV has played with Burmistrov & Gagner well. Maybe will with Granlund and Sven. JV's icetime was less tonight because he wasn't used on PK or match up against Mcdavid as Megna was. I don't see why he couldn't in regular season play that role and be better as well.

Won't go into Guddy pile on because clearing the net or laying using his body has not stats. He did his job. You want puck movement play him with MDZ.

Biega should be driven to airport. DA was okay. Didn't miss DD. So chose between two who to send down or keep as extra.

Wiercioch earned a spot as extra just as well as Pedan for different reasons.

Nice take and you are right Hutton needs Tanev. My add ons are the following.

Nucker's theory that Granlund will fall in production this season because his shooting percentage was high is bunk. Booner had it right he's due for breakout and I say at Center and special teams. More minute means more oppportunity Nucker.

Also, Nucker's theory about JV linemates is bunk when he keeps talking about Sutter. He hasn't played with Sutter or DD nor will he so stop saying it as reason to send down. JV has played with Burmistrov & Gagner well. Maybe will with Granlund and Sven. JV's icetime was less tonight because he wasn't used on PK or match up against Mcdavid as Megna was. I don't see why he couldn't in regular season play that role and be better as well.

Won't go into Guddy pile on because clearing the net or laying using his body has not stats. He did his job. You want puck movement play him with MDZ.

Biega should be driven to airport. DA was okay. Didn't miss DD. So chose between two who to send down or keep as extra.

Wiercioch earned a spot as extra just as well as Pedan for different reasons.
- Nuck4U

You're projecting more minutes for Granlund? Interesting....

And the sh% isn't a theory, it's just reality. He needs to shoot a lot more than he has in his career so far to hit 20 goals

And Green was using JV as a 4th liner tonight and this lineup was missing Baertschi/Horvat/Dorsett so I doubt this resembles what the opening lineup looks like. You yourself have stated that the lineup for opening night is harder to predict than ever.

Also, I didn't suggest that JV is GOING to play with those guys, I said IF he's going to then he should be sent down instead. Reading comprehension my friend.

I flat out said I'd prefer he stays up and plays with Gagner.

You're doing that annoying thing again where you call someone out for the hell of it...


Also that's a lame ass cop out for EG. Andrew AHLberts could throw hits and clear the crease and handle the puck like a grenade too. Why pay a premium for EG to do it? It's not too much to ask for him to make simple breakout passes.

You're projecting more minutes for Granlund? Interesting....

And the sh% isn't a theory, it's just reality. He needs to shoot a lot more than he has in his career so far to hit 20 goals

And Green was using JV as a 4th liner tonight and this lineup was missing Baertschi/Horvat/Dorsett so I doubt this resembles what the opening lineup looks like. You yourself have stated that the lineup for opening night is harder to predict than ever.

Also, I didn't suggest that JV is GOING to play with those guys, I said IF he's going to then he should be sent down instead. Reading comprehension my friend.

I flat out said I'd prefer he stays up and plays with Gagner.

You're doing that annoying thing again where you call someone out for the hell of it...


Also that's a lame ass cop out for EG. Andrew AHLberts could throw hits and clear the crease and handle the puck like a grenade too. Why pay a premium for EG to do it? It's not too much to ask for him to make simple breakout passes.
- Nucker101

Granted a couple of players were out but Granny lead the forwards in TOI.

Granted a couple of players were out but Granny lead the forwards in TOI.
- manvanfan

Fair enough, I just think he's going to be around the same minute range he was last year. Just by estimating player usage and going through the lineup, I just don't see how he gets increased minutes.

The lineup tonight was definitely a little mixed up with Sven and Bo out.

4:37
7:20
12:06
- manvanfan

Are you trying to say 4:37 in the 2nd?
7:20 in the third? 12:06 total?

Is that suppose to be your big "(frank) you" to prove me wrong or something?

I wasn't very impressed with Granlund last year despite scoring 19 goals but I'll admit he looks very impressive so far in the preseason. He looks like a legit center.
I'm not going to get too high on preseason but this team could possibly have 3 really solid lines this year.

Eriksson Horvat Sutter - $ line
Sedin Sedin BB - mentor line
Baertschi Granlund Vanek- contract line
Virtanen Burmistov Gagner - scoring support line

- belcherbd

Agree with preamble. However observations on chemistry and lines see the above fixes. My reasons are:

Sedins and Vanek can't rush the puck and they need some better speed for RS will go with BB. Vanek was better with Granlund and their speed help with is shot and net front. Plus its a contract year for them all.

Give Bo expensive vets and let them earn what they are paid. Besides Bo has been out and the other two haven't shown pair chemistry with anyone else. At least with Sutter dump and chase works and they can drive net indisvidually. LE can pick up the garbage. At very least they can dominate checking top lines and faceoffs.

Fair enough, I just think he's going to be around the same minute range he was last year.

The lineup tonight was definitely a little mixed up with Sven and Bo out.
- Nucker101

I think he played around 17 last year. I cant see a real boost from that. I think the team will score more then last season. It is nice to see the team compete against a full Oilers roster, without Bo and Sven.

Are you trying to say 4:37 in the 2nd?
7:20 in the third? 12:06 total?

Is that suppose to be your big "(frank) you" to prove me wrong or something?

- Brooks_Light

we should all have a HB royal rumble one day

I think he played around 17 last year. I cant see a real boost from that. I think the team will score more then last season. It is nice to see the team compete against a full Oilers roster, without Bo and Sven.
- manvanfan

It's still pre-season though, hell even the early regular season means poop. Remember the start to last season when people thought this team would be in the playoff race? They were winning games despite getting out-shot and out-chanced and people fell for it.

Sample size is always the key.

It's still pre-season though, hell even the early regular season means poop. Remember the start to last season when people thought this team would be in the playoff race? They were winning games despite getting out-shot and out-chanced and people fell for it.

Sample size is always the key.
- Nucker101

That team also played a different style of hockey.

Fair enough, I just think he's going to be around the same minute range he was last year. Just by estimating player usage and going through the lineup, I just don't see how he gets increased minutes.

The lineup tonight was definitely a little mixed up with Sven and Bo out.
- Nucker101

Its really tough to predict lines.
Granny is looking great.
Depth upfront looking good.
D needs work & the pairings need better ideas. Yes EG seems to be a tough one.
Maybe...

Edler EG
Hutton Tanev
MDZ Stecher

Either of Pedan or Weircioch as the 7th
14 F's is expected IMO

It's still pre-season though, hell even the early regular season means poop. Remember the start to last season when people thought this team would be in the playoff race? They were winning games despite getting out-shot and out-chanced and people fell for it.

Sample size is always the key.
- Nucker101

Thats just the fan base. Not overly bright some of them. 😁
I dont think the team will win much more then last season. Just score a bit more. Its the end of preseason. Last tune up, players are playing. Can tell because no names and bubble players arent getting minutes anymore.

JP had 9 minutes tonight. McDavid 24.

Biega and wiercoich at 14 i think.

I think he played around 17 last year. I cant see a real boost from that. I think the team will score more then last season. It is nice to see the team compete against a full Oilers roster, without Bo and Sven.
- manvanfan

We cannot help it to score more 😂😂

You're projecting more minutes for Granlund? Interesting....

And the sh% isn't a theory, it's just reality. He needs to shoot a lot more than he has in his career so far to hit 20 goals

And Green was using JV as a 4th liner tonight and this lineup was missing Baertschi/Horvat/Dorsett so I doubt this resembles what the opening lineup looks like. You yourself have stated that the lineup for opening night is harder to predict than ever.

Also, I didn't suggest that JV is GOING to play with those guys, I said IF he's going to then he should be sent down instead. Reading comprehension my friend.

I flat out said I'd prefer he stays up and plays with Gagner.

You're doing that annoying thing again where you call someone out for the hell of it...


Also that's a lame ass cop out for EG. Andrew AHLberts could throw hits and clear the crease and handle the puck like a grenade too. Why pay a premium for EG to do it? It's not too much to ask for him to make simple breakout passes.
- Nucker101

Thought you could take a bit of adversity and not get ruffled personally.

Yes you do like Ganger JV and Burmistrov line as I do. Why I just couldn't understand the don't want him to stay up to play with Sutter and DD posting counter numerous times. I think TG knows him well enough not to do that and based on deployment will stick to it.

As for Granlund the stat you give is sound. The reason doesn't stand because he will be used a heck of lot more and get more opportunities. It's been evident all pre-season deployed as center. With Bo back I see less time for Sedin line not Granlund. Who will get both PK and PP too.

Not getting into contract on Guddy at this point. But you yourself have said he needs a puck moving D and MDZ looks good for him.

As for lines I fixed what I liked from Belcher's post. TG can prove me wrong or not.

It's still pre-season though, hell even the early regular season means poop. Remember the start to last season when people thought this team would be in the playoff race? They were winning games despite getting out-shot and out-chanced and people fell for it.

Sample size is always the key.
- Nucker101

Yes and will say Granlund will have more opportunities in roles he will play to keep his points up not down this season.

A lot of feelings again today?

Thought you could take a bit of adversity and not get ruffled personally.

Yes you do like Ganger JV and Burmistrov line as I do. Why I just couldn't understand the don't want him to stay up to play with Sutter and DD posting counter numerous times. I think TG knows him well enough not to do that and based on deployment will stick to it.

As for Granlund the stat you give is sound. The reason doesn't stand because he will be used a heck of lot more and get more opportunities. It's been evident all pre-season deployed as center. With Bo back I see less time for Sedin line not Granlund. Who will get both PK and PP too.

Not getting into contract on Guddy at this point. But you yourself have said he needs a puck moving D and MDZ looks good for him.

As for lines I fixed what I liked from Belcher's post. TG can prove me wrong or not.
- Nuck4U

I didn't take it anything personally Some people probably get that vibe fro my posting style, but I honestly don't get upset over debates/discussions on here. I might get annoyed with posters, but usually I'm laughing it off in real life.

I'm just saying that sometimes you're too quick to respond without actually taking the time to understand what a poster is saying. Which you did here with my thoughts on JV.

Well I'm glad you understand my JV position now.

Granlund got PP and PK time last year as well, I just don't see him getting more than 17 and a half mins per game. You can't say for sure that he will get more minutes, especially with the lineup being a lot deeper this year, so calling my projection for him wrong with such certainty seems illogical. You should've said that you disagree and think he'll get more minutes and think I'm wrong instead of flat out acting like what I said was 100% guaranteed to be wrong.