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puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
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Oct 2 @ 12:58 PM ET
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Jaromir Jagr and Keith Tkachuk were drafted in Rd. 1 back in 1990. 27 years later, Jagr will now play on the same team as Matthew Tkachuk.

- Scoob


This is amazing!
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 2 @ 1:14 PM ET
Was this done so they have the option to send him down but not necessarily are they going to?
- Hextall271



have to think they are doing it for flexibility. they may feel Ghost isn't going to be ready for Wednesday but aren't ready to put him on the IR.
shekkie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Perkasie, PA
Joined: 07.05.2007

Oct 2 @ 1:18 PM ET
I missed the game last night and man I'm kinda glad I did after reading through all this...
Sheesh.

- FlyersGrace


I think the reactions are more about people's own agendas/observations than what actually went down in game.

I, for one, am incredibly excited to get this season under way.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 2 @ 1:20 PM ET
And all the other under-22 year olds are not.

Also, you think McDavid has nothing to learn about playing in the NHL and being an NHL player?

- Scoob

Nothing Brandon Manning hasn't already taught him

I just don't get how that has anything to do with how good of a player a mentor has to be. Not all great players are great mentors and not all great mentors are great players.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 2 @ 1:22 PM ET
have to think they are doing it for flexibility. they may feel Ghost isn't going to be ready for Wednesday but aren't ready to put him on the IR.
- nastyflyergirl

It just gives them 1 extra forward and 1 extra defender. Hextall said both defensemen (Morin/Sanheim) were going to Cali so it isn't really a surprise.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 2 @ 1:25 PM ET
I don't think Lindblom would've been cut if Hakstol was comfortable using him in the top 9
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 2 @ 1:27 PM ET

I just don't get how that has anything to do with how good of a player a mentor has to be. Not all great players are great mentors and not all great mentors are great players.

- YuenglingJagr


Agreed. But my comment was refuting this statement.

I think if I started doing my job in my backyard when I was 4, I wouldn't need someone to show me how to do it when I turned 22.
- YuenglingJagr
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 2 @ 1:43 PM ET
Agreed. But my comment was refuting this statement.
- Scoob

Alright. My overall viewpoint on this subject is that the NHL can't really be compared to people's day jobs.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Oct 2 @ 1:52 PM ET
https://twitter.com/charlieo_conn/status/914883750042972163

Read on waivers

- Crimsoninja

Good! With one year left, he would be a good pick up.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 2 @ 1:53 PM ET
Alright. My overall viewpoint on this subject is that the NHL can't really be compared to people's day jobs.
- YuenglingJagr


Nor can the NHL be compared squirt/midget/pee-wee or whatever the frank they call what four year olds play, or middle schoolers play, or high schoolers play, or collegiates play, or QMJHLers play, or AHLers play - even if played in sequence from the age of four.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 2 @ 1:55 PM ET
Hextall. Sure there are intangibles and variables involved that us fans don't know.. But when some players clearly outplayed others in camp, yet they didn't make the team, makes you wonder how or why he denotes certain players over others.
- bmoreflyer


One of the hardest things for some fans to grasp is that players of varying experience are not treated equally in the NHL. For a number of reasons. It's simply not always just about who outplays whom in pre season and camp. It's just not. Fair or unfair. Right or wrong. When Hextall uses the word possible that is wide ranging and open ended.

Did Gostisbehere outplay Sanheim?
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 2 @ 1:56 PM ET
Nor can the NHL be compared squirt/midget/pee-wee or whatever the frank they call what four year olds play, or middle schoolers play, or high schoolers play, or collegiates play, or QMJHLers play, or AHLers play - even if played in sequence from the age of four.
- Scoob

Ummm, agreed, so what exactly are we talking about again?
Bonerfide69
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Joined: 01.31.2017

Oct 2 @ 2:00 PM ET

"The word around camp was that the Flyers felt that Lindblom still needs to demonstrate greater quickness with his feet to be effective at getting from Point A to Point B at the NHL pace"

Compared to Weise Bill
dragonoffrost
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Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Oct 2 @ 2:03 PM ET
"The word around camp was that the Flyers felt that Lindblom still needs to demonstrate greater quickness with his feet to be effective at getting from Point A to Point B at the NHL pace"

Compared to Weise Bill

- Bonerfide69


It's about rounding out Lindbolm's game. Weise is what Weise is by now. That's one thing most don't understand. Something that can be worked on while dominating the AHL can actually help make a player better whereas trying to get that worked on at the faster pace in the NHL could stunt his development.

I'm sounding like Hak and Homer!
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Oct 2 @ 2:07 PM ET
Ummm, agreed, so what exactly are we talking about again?
- YuenglingJagr


I win!!!!!1

lol
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 2 @ 2:16 PM ET
Read is on waivers, and the Flyers have five rookies on the roster.
- Feanor

good Read brought nothing to this team
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
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Oct 2 @ 2:21 PM ET
I win!!!!!1

lol

- Scoob

Yes, but someone is going to have to break the news to Ryan, the senior accountant at my office, that he isn't actually in the NHL.
dragonoffrost
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Oct 2 @ 2:21 PM ET
good Read brought nothing to this team
- 2Real


Everyone wanting to bash Hextall needs to realize he held his word. It wasn't enough to beat a vet, you had to beat them soundly as Leier did to Read.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 2 @ 2:24 PM ET
Everyone wanting to bash Hextall needs to realize he held his word. It wasn't enough to beat a vet, you had to beat them soundly as Leier did to Read.
- dragonoffrost

actually they might be making room for Vandevelde to come back
boxcar65
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: VA
Joined: 10.02.2015

Oct 2 @ 2:29 PM ET
Didn't have a chance to watch the game live last night, so I just saw the replay. Manning did not have a bad game. He made exactly one errant pass in his zone trying to make a clear, and that was it. He had several good shots on net, pinched fairly well, and generally played fairly solid on D using the body.

The Manning hate is so over-the-top because everyone wants to see the three rookie D in the lineup. I like them too, so let's see how the beginning of the season plays out. I still would prefer Mandog in the lineup instead of AMac, but he is more than likely the #7 for most of the season.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 2 @ 2:35 PM ET
Didn't have a chance to watch the game live last night, so I just saw the replay. Manning did not have a bad game. He made exactly one errant pass in his zone trying to make a clear, and that was it. He had several good shots on net, pinched fairly well, and generally played fairly solid on D using the body.

The Manning hate is so over-the-top because everyone wants to see the three rookie D in the lineup. I like them too, so let's see how the beginning of the season plays out. I still would prefer Mandog in the lineup instead of AMac, but he is more than likely the #7 for most of the season.

- boxcar65

Manning is a role player and he's playing it very well.
Bonerfide69
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Oct 2 @ 2:35 PM ET
actually they might be making room for Vandevelde to come back
- 2Real

xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 2 @ 2:45 PM ET
and to be clear, this person could only mentor you and make you better if they were better than you and had much more experience than you while also playing on the same team as you?
- YuenglingJagr


No really because it is basic skills that need improving like keeping my head up and how to handle the pressure when a player is on you. These are pretty basic for most players yet I have trouble with just those 2 things. I am considered on of our best players and our league is getting tougher and tougher and I am struggling. On two teams and have 0 points in 4 games and on my other 3 points in 4 games. I had 20 points in 12 games a couple years ago.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Oct 2 @ 2:50 PM ET
Malcolm Subban on waivers
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Oct 2 @ 2:53 PM ET
...but does that mean it has to be defenseman to deffenseman and forward to forward? This team has plenty of veterans, just would be limited on D if AMAC got waived.

I realize you are just trying to walk people back from the ledge but I understand why people are tired of the AMC treatment. He wasn't very good last night.

- juiced


Yes it has to be position to position. Not saying that there isnt anything the forwards can teach them but there is always going to be positional issues to deal with. It is much easier for players to mentor young guys as well because they can do it on the fly whereas the coaches cant say anything until you are on the bench.
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