That's but one example of winning, that is not the norm as you would have everyone believe

As a general rule of thumb you don't win without drafting your core, even Anaheim drafted Getzlaf and Perry when they won it in 2007, Getzlaf was their leading scorer in the playoffs that year and Perry was tied for second.

A lot of things went right for them that year, Scott Neidermayer wanted to play with his brother and Burkie took Lowe to the cleaners trading for Pronger.
- LeftCoaster

lol...I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything the numbers are what they are bro.

Burke did take Lowe to the cleaners on Pronger but it's not like Lowe had a lot to work with considering Pronger was tapping that A-Channel weather girl and was leaving EDM anyways...lol

Now that makes sense. I'm assuming you are a believer that PP success is driven from the back-end.
- bloatedmosquito

Yes sir.

It will be interesting to see how Det rebounds from its one down year as that will provide evidence for the "culture" theory.

The thing about middling teams is so many were so close with a few radical outliers. Parity has been reached with 18 teams over 90 points and 23 over 80. Having strong parity will allow teams to build without having to be awful for long stretches (as I feel we are doing)

Philly finished 19th and got the 2nd overall pick. What amazing luck. Maybe being middling will afford us the same luck while trying to maintain a winning culture. Best of all worlds...
- Robio

I'd say break up the Sedins for the PP. Daniel has become much less aggressive, and both him and Henrik are look more pass. It'll force Henrik to find other players, and then PP2 can have a great passer on it as well.

Hank, Vanek, BB, Edler, Baer

Bo, LE, Ganger, Hutton, Daniel

Or whoever... just based off what they have going so far this year.
- NewYorkNuck

Some sustained zone time with no weak Sedin giveaways would be nice. Tanev the sniper might be ready to take the next step on the point.

It will be interesting to see how Det rebounds from its one down year as that will provide evidence for the "culture" theory.

The thing about middling teams is so many were so close with a few radical outliers. Parity has been reached with 18 teams over 90 points and 23 over 80. Having strong parity will allow teams to build without having to be awful for long stretches (as I feel we are doing)

Philly finished 19th and got the 2nd overall pick. What amazing luck. Maybe being middling will afford us the same luck while trying to maintain a winning culture. Best of all worlds...
- Robio

The thing is, you can't rely on luck alone, you have to have a plan, tanking is an actual plan. Finishing second last guarantees you no worse than the 5th overall pick, which is a great draft position.

Also, the parity in the league and the salary cap dictate, at least to me, that the best way to acquire talent this day and age is drafting. It makes sense to me anyway.

You trying to start something with me now?
- A_SteamingLombardi

No.

I've fed so now I rest.

The thing is, you can't rely on luck alone, you have to have a plan, tanking is an actual plan. Finishing second last guarantees you no worse than the 5th overall pick, which is a great draft position.

Also, the parity in the league and the salary cap dictate, at least to me, that the best way to acquire talent this day and age is drafting. It makes sense to me anyway.
- LeftCoaster

No your wrong, luck alone will do it, that's why there are so many winners at casinos, or why 70% of people think winning the lottery is a good pension strategy.

The thing is, you can't rely on luck alone, you have to have a plan, tanking is an actual plan. Finishing second last guarantees you no worse than the 5th overall pick, which is a great draft position.

Also, the parity in the league and the salary cap dictate, at least to me, that the best way to acquire talent this day and age is drafting. It makes sense to me anyway.
- LeftCoaster

Then explain Vegas or Macau.

No your wrong, luck alone will do it, that's why there are so many winners at casinos, or why 70% of people think winning the lottery is a good pension strategy.
- Makita

Beat me to it.

Then explain Vegas or Macau.
- bloatedmosquito

lol...I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything the numbers are what they are bro.

Burke did take Lowe to the cleaners on Pronger but it's not like Lowe had a lot to work with considering Pronger was tapping that A-Channel weather girl and was leaving EDM anyways...lol
- LordHumungous

Your simplistic look at purely numbers is both comical and ignorant, I don't think you're ignorant FYI, I just think it's incredibly shortsighted to say 30% of building is drafting. I simply disagree with your assessment that every player on a 23 man roster holds the same value. That's just ridiculous!

You're totally disregarding who plays the most minutes, who scores the most, etc. etc. You're basically giving the same importance to a player who plays 20 minutes a night, and scores the most for your team, and the scrub who plays 8 minutes a night so the guy you drafted 3rd overall can get a rest.

Then explain Vegas or Macau.
- bloatedmosquito

you both can go fly a kite....you know that's fixed....right?

No your wrong, luck alone will do it, that's why there are so many winners at casinos, or why 70% of people think winning the lottery is a good pension strategy.
- Makita

Winning the lottery is a great pension strategy, the problem lies in winning the lottery

No your wrong, luck alone will do it, that's why there are so many winners at casinos, or why 70% of people think winning the lottery is a good pension strategy.
- Makita

Were much more likely to draft good players if we finish as a bubble team. I see that now, don't know how I missed this obvious fact before. I've changed guys, I'd way rather pick 15th and 45th than 2nd and 33rd because it's all luck anyway and picking second overall next year isn't a guaranteed elite player so why bother. just because an overwhelming majority of the best players of all time were picked in the top5 doesn't mean we will get one next year. Come on guys, mediocrity. No wait, Culture

you both can go fly a kite....you know that's fixed....right?
- LeftCoaster

Just like the NHL draft lottery.

But you still have two very smart, skilled guys on your team that should be able to come up with some suggestions of their own. Hell, the twins were there during the heyday.
- bloatedmosquito

Hopefully we will see more of the twins tonight. Likely in this capacity....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YRuIoPUYpw

Hopefully we will see more of the twins tonight. Likely in this capacity....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YRuIoPUYpw
- jetsnation

We have a certain expectation of trolling around here.

You fail to make the grade.

Hopefully we will see more of the twins tonight. Likely in this capacity....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YRuIoPUYpw
- jetsnation

The Jets didn't make the playoffs last year, thoughts?
Are you happy Mason is off to a hot start?

Your simplistic look at purely numbers is both comical and ignorant, I don't think you're ignorant FYI, I just think it's incredibly shortsighted to say 30% of building is drafting. I simply disagree with your assessment that every player on a 23 man roster holds the same value. That's just ridiculous!

You're totally disregarding who plays the most minutes, who scores the most, etc. etc. You're basically giving the same importance to a player who plays 20 minutes a night, and scores the most for your team, and the scrub who plays 8 minutes a night so the guy you drafted 3rd overall can get a rest.
- LeftCoaster

All good. and you are not typically wrong with drafting a core and all and I get the fact that core players can do 'up' to 60% of scoring...but to me there is just too many other things at play. I'm a full spectrum guy and like to look at all the angles not just one intangible. It is what it is.

No your wrong, luck alone will do it, that's why there are so many winners at casinos, or why 70% of people think winning the lottery is a good pension strategy.
- Makita

Hopefully we will see more of the twins tonight. Likely in this capacity....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YRuIoPUYpw
- jetsnation

Is there a sign on our thread that says meatballs enter?

No your wrong, luck alone will do it, that's why there are so many winners at casinos, or why 70% of people think winning the lottery is a good pension strategy.
- Makita

It's not? lol

How about horse racing? Spent $120 last weekend with nothing to show for it...then my old man hits a $900 superfecta and would not share...

d post

lol...I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything the numbers are what they are bro.

Burke did take Lowe to the cleaners on Pronger but it's not like Lowe had a lot to work with considering Pronger was tapping that A-Channel weather girl and was leaving EDM anyways...lol
- LordHumungous

I remember arguing on here with people about Burke's Ducks. It was wildly believed by many that he inherited a winner even though he added a dozen players(many impact) in the year leading up to the cup. Burke is the anti-draftist,,, there's no way around that.

It worked in Duckland but completely flopped in Leafland.

Can we all agree its awesome to hear that bit about brock looking at jake to improve his skating? We're finally starting to get prospects that are actually feeding off of each other!