What topic would be worthy of discussion? Green and JB have both been getting loads of love from this crowd. People have been talking extensively about 3rd and 4th lines. Prospect discussion has been heavy. Overall the discussion has been canuck centric with a few occasions when the thread has gone off the rails.

I'm still a bit in summer mode and I think that's the same with others. Now we are seeing the canucks take shape the quality of hockey conversation will pick up.
- bloatedmosquito

One would hope!

Dude...don't go trying to change the 'draftists' mind..they just don't get it.

ANA won the cup in 2007 with only 4 players actually drafted by the Ducks...



- LordHumungous

I swear every person who's defending this ownership/management group always points to the outliers as reason to continue blindly believing.

Fan 1:
"Hey, it seems like this strategy has worked more often than any other one"


Fan 2:
"Well look at this 1 time where this unlikely thing that rarely results in success worked! We should totally try to do that!"


And people continue to misunderstand what the rebuild strategy is really all about, it's not about draft position alone.

I observed it all as well and withheld comment. Player preferences do stoke up passions and you are right level headed reactions are needed.

But surprised you didn't mention the endless tanker debate thrust one week into the season. Interesting comments there. Some observations. Seems using historical evidence misapplies to a now changed reality of the new NHL lotto system.

Teams now are planning to compete as the reward to the top pick or runner up is not a reality. So, if what they have isn't working by the TDL they make changes or cut ties for futures. It's that simple. Whatever happens after is random chance as far as placing.

Drafting is a core need. Quality drafting throughout makes the real difference. Being lucky enough to get a ready made impact player in the top 3 is a bonus. Prospects picked 4th-6th are great talent hopefuls but not the cream that will impact a team any time soon.

Cap realities show that past ELC's the players who produce will get paid doesn't matter if you draft them, trade for them or sign them. So the window is having a good team tanked by a superstar or two on ELC. Why many rebuilds are a cycle of failures when it doesn't happen or work out.

Team plans are more complicated then what I laid out with many variables. It's a fluid situation. Suffice to say, the plan to rebuild or build a winner is within a much wider spectrum of tools then what the limits of tanking offers.

If this elicits the TDLR and emoji responses from troglodytes who have no substance or can't offer a counterpoint. So be it. It's out there right or wrong as a viewpoint to the debate that's been on this thread and last.
- Nuck4U

This is a good point considering wht Philly did and what happened to us

This crowd? I stopped counting after 20 posts(you were the first 5 of 8) about the complaints and started counting pages... about something yet to be determined and never ended up happening.


I'm not against off topic obviously It was the hot switch up I'm laughing about... 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds..

... but the comments were mostly judgemental, heavily critical, some whiny,,,, and it was *fake news* in the end. There was a couple saying "maybe its this player or maybe its that player" respectfully... there are level headed folk here... that's not love though. Too often lack of hysteria is called "love for" here...
- boonerbuck

Here we go again.....

I swear every person who's defending this ownership/management group always points to the outliers as reason to continue blindly believing.

Fan 1:
"Hey, it seems like this strategy has worked more often than any other one"


Fan 2:
"Well look at this 1 time where this unlikely thing that rarely results in success worked! We should totally try to do that!"
- Nucker101

I'm wont to analyze historic trends as part of my hockey discussion, but I am using my eyes - the team looks better through two games than it did the last 2 months of last year. I also like Burmi, Gagner, Del Zotto and Gudbranson a lot more than Chaput, Schmegma, Sbisa et al that were playing last year despite not earning their minutes.

Gotta give the new coach a chance, no? He has the players playing a more entertaining, aggressive product. That will lead to the fans coming back and, eventually one would hope, wins.

I have to agree, Granlund is a better and younger version anyways.
- Crazybagoham

By better as in Granlund is more versatile then Sven well that has proven out. They are only a year apart though on ending contracts. Sven is a player that gets streaky and usually takes a bit into the season for his timing to connect for the chances he gets or generates.

Believe Sven hasn't proven much at the NHL level to cash in on futures at TDL. So would a trade for Athanasiou do it?

I swear every person who's defending this ownership/management group always points to the outliers as reason to continue blindly believing.

Fan 1:
"Hey, it seems like this strategy has worked more often than any other one"


Fan 2:
"Well look at this 1 time where this unlikely thing that rarely results in success worked! We should totally try to do that!"


And people continue to misunderstand what the rebuild strategy is really all about, it's not about draft position alone.
- Nucker101

I'm wont to analyze historic trends as part of my hockey discussion, but I am using my eyes - the team looks better through two games than it did the last 2 months of last year. I also like Burmi, Gagner, Del Zotto and Gudbranson a lot more than Chaput, Schmegma, Sbisa et al that were playing last year despite not earning their minutes.

Gotta give the new coach a chance, no? He has the players playing a more entertaining, aggressive product. That will lead to the fans coming back and, eventually one would hope, wins.
- Robio

MDZ is the only one out of those 4 that has played well....

I observed it all as well and withheld comment. Player preferences do stoke up passions and you are right level headed reactions are needed.

But surprised you didn't mention the endless tanker debate thrust one week into the season. Interesting comments there. Some observations. Seems using historical evidence misapplies to a now changed reality of the new NHL lotto system.

Teams now are planning to compete as the reward to the top pick or runner up is not a reality. So, if what they have isn't working by the TDL they make changes or cut ties for futures. It's that simple. Whatever happens after is random chance as far as placing.

Drafting is a core need. Quality drafting throughout makes the real difference. Being lucky enough to get a ready made impact player in the top 3 is a bonus. Prospects picked 4th-6th are great talent hopefuls but not the cream that will impact a team any time soon.

Cap realities show that past ELC's the players who produce will get paid doesn't matter if you draft them, trade for them or sign them. So the window is having a good team tanked by a superstar or two on ELC. Why many rebuilds are a cycle of failures when it doesn't happen or work out.

Team plans are more complicated then what I laid out with many variables. It's a fluid situation. Suffice to say, the plan to rebuild or build a winner is within a much wider spectrum of tools then what the limits of tanking offers.

If this elicits the TDLR and emoji responses from troglodytes who have no substance or can't offer a counterpoint. So be it. It's out there right or wrong as a viewpoint to the debate that's been on this thread and last.
- Nuck4U

TLDR, could you please post a forword or a synopsis?
Thanks

Also, congratulations for making it a year, we all got together and got you something special.
https://www.poopsenders.com

Tankers believing its an 82 game effort is absurd.
1st off thinking pros play to lose & happy to do it knowing its what some fans want & empty seats will happen is simply ludicrous.
Lastly what does a full season tank guarantee anyways?
I don't see a McDavid or Matthews in the next draft.
Summary: it sounds great but no plan for how it works or who is on the team that it will help in the long run. Tankers only complain & its never enough. Tankers later on claim to be draftists just kills me.
- Nighthawk

Finally some support!

I'm wont to analyze historic trends as part of my hockey discussion, but I am using my eyes - the team looks better through two games than it did the last 2 months of last year. I also like Burmi, Gagner, Del Zotto and Gudbranson a lot more than Chaput, Schmegma, Sbisa et al that were playing last year despite not earning their minutes.

Gotta give the new coach a chance, no? He has the players playing a more entertaining, aggressive product. That will lead to the fans coming back and, eventually one would hope, wins.
- Robio

I have zero interest in this team's success this year, only care about the development of the prospects and younger players. Barely missing the playoffs with a veteran-heavy roster isn't going to accomplish much long term. Benning better be looking to sell at the TDL, not even the apologists will be able to defend him if he doesn't.

Actually wait they probably can...

*Team is in 9-11th place at the TDL*

"You can't trade away players while still being in a playoff race, what kind of message does that send to the fans and kids?"

"It's fine, stop freaking out, Benning will trade a vet at the draft"

"I'd rather keep Vanek than trade him for a 4th 5th, other GM's need to know Benning won't bend over"

MDZ is the only one out of those 4 that has played well....
- Crazybagoham

No love for Guddy? I have liked his game. Gagner still has more to offer. Burmi isn't as bad as others are saying IMO

By better as in Granlund is more versatile then Sven well that has proven out. They are only a year apart though on ending contracts. Sven is a player that gets streaky and usually takes a bit into the season for his timing to connect for the chances he gets or generates.

Believe Sven hasn't proven much at the NHL level to cash in on futures. So would a trade for Athanasiou do it?
- Nuck4U

Straight up? nope... Detroit would add imo considering Athanasiou isn't even in the country right now, plus you got to wonder how much he wants if he priced himself out of Detroit. I'm just not a huge fan of Baertschi, so if we got at least a 2nd rounder of him, JB looks good.

MDZ is the only one out of those 4 that has played well....
- Crazybagoham

But all 4 of those guys always carry lucky rabbit's feet dyed Canuck colors.

No love for Guddy? I have liked his game. Gagner still has more to offer. Burmi isn't as bad as others are saying IMO
- Robio

Gudbranson is good defending on the rush, but when a team is in the zone and cycling... he's just useless. Gagner has been fine, though I wish he would play centre (maybe he will tonight). Burmistrov stinks of Linden Vey, I predict he's the first guy to be sent down to utica.

I have zero interest in this team's success this year, only care about the development of the prospects and younger players. Barely missing the playoffs with a veteran-heavy roster isn't going to accomplish much long term. Benning better be looking to sell at the TDL, not even the apologists will be able to defend him if he doesn't.

Actually wait they probably can...

*Team is in 9-11th place at the TDL*

"You can't trade away players while still being in a playoff race, what kind of message does that send to the fans and kids?"

"It's fine, stop freaking out, Benning will trade a vet at the draft"

"I'd rather keep Vanek than trade him for a 4th 5th, other GM's need to know Benning won't bend over"
- Nucker101

I watch every game hoping they will do something positive and maybe even win. If we are out of it of course I want assets at the deadline. If we have a shot why not let the youth experience the feeling of putting everything on the line to try to accomplish a goal? I say both approaches help teams long terms

MDZ is the only one out of those 4 that has played well....
- Crazybagoham

Agreed.

Gagner has been meh so far, Burmi is meh, not bad not really doing much either so far. Gudbranson is always going to be polarizing here, some people just watch the game differently than others(I actually thought he was solid defensively last game, but didn't like him in game 1)


Team is wasting Gagner on the PP by putting him on the Sedin unit. His style doesn't mesh with theirs at all, he plays better with guys who will pass him the puck more and can score.

But all 4 of those guys always carry lucky rabbit's feet dyed Canuck colors.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I saw what you did there. Wait

I watch every game hoping they will do something positive and maybe even win. If we are out of it of course I want assets at the deadline. If we have a shot why not let the youth experience the feeling of putting everything on the line to try to accomplish a goal? I say both approaches help teams long terms
- Robio

Both, including not selling at the TDL? I refuse to buy any argument that suggests Benning shouldn't sell at the TDL unless this team is somehow actually shocking the world at that point. I can't think of many examples of rebuilds going successfully with that approach.

Agreed.

Gagner has been meh so far, Burmi is meh, not bad not really doing much either so far. Gudbranson is always going to be polarizing here, some people just watch the game differently than others(I actually thought he was solid defensively last game, but didn't like him in game 1)


Team is wasting Gagner on the PP by putting him on the Sedin unit. His style doesn't mesh with theirs at all, he plays better with guys who will pass him the puck more and can score.
- Nucker101

agreed on all points
Gudbranson just needs fine tuning, needs to use his size more. I always have high expectations for the large defenders.
Gagner needs to be running the 2nd unit, Sedins shouldn't even be on the power play anymore imo, they haven't had a solid year of PP since 2010.

Straight up? nope... Detroit would add imo considering Athanasiou isn't even in the country right now, plus you got to wonder how much he wants if he priced himself out of Detroit. I'm just not a huge fan of Baertschi, so if we got at least a 2nd rounder of him, JB looks good.
- Crazybagoham

Would be a coup of trade if Detroit adds. But hey if they add a lower round draft pick out of need to improve team play before December then great!

Detroit is in cap hell thats why they can't pay Athanasiou anything close to market value. They probably are hoping one of their over paid vets is injured long term and they can sign him.

But in trading Sven in general, at this point building him up, just to get a 2nd back is a wash. Not sure the shopping of Sven should be folding the tent on him.

I'm excited for Boeser to play tonight, but I'm even more excited that he took Burmistrov's spot.
- Crazybagoham

With u on that 👍

Dahlin looks goooooood, but I agree, right now this team is a bubble playoff team (but maybe we get lucky with the new lottery odds)
- Crazybagoham

Thats the plan needing luck

No love for Guddy? I have liked his game. Gagner still has more to offer. Burmi isn't as bad as others are saying IMO
- Robio

Yeah they have played a role. It has only been two games. So hyper evaluations are kind of premature by others. If it's for who should rotate in or out then that's more applicable now.

Agreed.

Gagner has been meh so far, Burmi is meh, not bad not really doing much either so far. Gudbranson is always going to be polarizing here, some people just watch the game differently than others(I actually thought he was solid defensively last game, but didn't like him in game 1)


Team is wasting Gagner on the PP by putting him on the Sedin unit. His style doesn't mesh with theirs at all, he plays better with guys who will pass him the puck more and can score.
- Nucker101

Gagner and Burmi have been meh. Agreed. Not great, not horrible.
Gudbranson has been refreshing imo.