No iRobot, you weren't making conversation. You're programmed to argue. You were putting words in my mouth so I would say "no, that's not what I said" and then you would say "yes it is what you said. What you said is incorrect." and then I would say "that's not what I said though" and then I would explain myself, and then 4 pages later, you're still arguing about why you're right, and I'm trying to get through to you that I didn't even mean what you think I meant in the first place.

Your "debates" are mostly started by your trolling and accusatory remarks.

I won't be replying to you anymore, no matter how badly you want to argue with me about Manning, AMac, or anything else.
- Giroux_Is_God

Can I post this in the Canuck thread?

Can I post this in the Canuck thread?
- A_SteamingLombardi

I swear MJL is Nuck4U's dad or brother.

Can I post this in the Canuck thread?
- A_SteamingLombardi

I did not post a copyright, you are free to do as you wish. I will, however, have to poke my head in to the canuck thread

I am a long time viewer on this board but do not post very often.

I did not see the game last night but was following it on NHL game center on my phone. Statistically speaking, based on shots on goal at least, it looked like the Flyers started out fast but after that Gudas fight, the momentum seemed to turn in the Duck’s favor as they began to pile up the shots at the end of the first period and beginning of the second period. Did anyone notice a shift in momentum after the fight?

One thing that bothered me was the hit on Patrick. I know everyone has been saying that it was legal, shoulder on shoulder, and he put himself in a bad position. Even if it was legal, I think it is a big mistake to allow your prized rookie to get run like that without retaliating. Was Weise on the ice and if so, did he do anything? Would the Devils stand idly by and allow Hischier run like that? Would the Penguins allow Crosby to get run like that? The answer is no. Of course, the Devils have Dylan Prout and the Penguins have Ryan Reeves. The Flyers don’t have anyone like that on their roster right now other than Simmonds who is too valuable to be in the box. Weise is supposed to provide that element and he is a huge disappointment. I watch him play and I have watched Colin McDonald play and to me, McDonald is more effective and more physical and doesn’t cost $2.5 million per year for another three years.

I generally like what Hextall has done to transform this team into a faster, more skilled team, but I think we are going to see the Flyers players especially the younger players get run because of the lack of size in the line-up. And, they have Morin who can fit this glaring need sitting in the minors. It just doesn’t make sense. I understand that Hakstol does not want to go with three rookies and they now only have one right handed defenseman, but he was drafted 11th overall in 2013, spent two more years in junior after being drafted, and spent two years in AHL and he is still not ready to play even with McDonald injured. Everyone I’ve read who has followed him in the AHL believes he is a good player. If the Flyers do not bring him up during the time McDonald is out, I don’t see him getting any significant time with the Flyers again this year, barring a rash of injuries. Next year, with Myers nipping at his heels and with the same logjam at the NHL level, you got to wonder if he is ever going to get significant time with the Flyers. Let's hope they bring him up during the upcoming road trip.

I am a long time viewer on this board but do not post very often.

I did not see the game last night but was following it on NHL game center on my phone. Statistically speaking, based on shots on goal at least, it looked like the Flyers started out fast but after that Gudas fight, the momentum seemed to turn in the Duck’s favor as they began to pile up the shots at the end of the first period and beginning of the second period. Did anyone notice a shift in momentum after the fight?
- Bergey

Not so much after the fight late in the 1st although it obviously didn't go well for Gudas. I thought the turning point was Patrick getting knocked out of the game early in the 2nd. The Ducks said the fight pumped them up and I don't see any reason for them to lie about that. I don't think the Flyers would admit they died a bit when Patrick went down, but I think they did.

Wow the Sabres are awful.

Wow the Sabres are awful.
- Mordecai

Bogosian hurt again....shocking

I am a long time viewer on this board but do not post very often.

I did not see the game last night but was following it on NHL game center on my phone. Statistically speaking, based on shots on goal at least, it looked like the Flyers started out fast but after that Gudas fight, the momentum seemed to turn in the Duck’s favor as they began to pile up the shots at the end of the first period and beginning of the second period. Did anyone notice a shift in momentum after the fight?

One thing that bothered me was the hit on Patrick. I know everyone has been saying that it was legal, shoulder on shoulder, and he put himself in a bad position. Even if it was legal, I think it is a big mistake to allow your prized rookie to get run like that without retaliating. Was Weise on the ice and if so, did he do anything? Would the Devils stand idly by and allow Hischier run like that? Would the Penguins allow Crosby to get run like that? The answer is no. Of course, the Devils have Dylan Prout and the Penguins have Ryan Reeves. The Flyers don’t have anyone like that on their roster right now other than Simmonds who is too valuable to be in the box. Weise is supposed to provide that element and he is a huge disappointment. I watch him play and I have watched Colin McDonald play and to me, McDonald is more effective and more physical and doesn’t cost $2.5 million per year for another three years.

I generally like what Hextall has done to transform this team into a faster, more skilled team, but I think we are going to see the Flyers players especially the younger players get run because of the lack of size in the line-up. And, they have Morin who can fit this glaring need sitting in the minors. It just doesn’t make sense. I understand that Hakstol does not want to go with three rookies and they now only have one right handed defenseman, but he was drafted 11th overall in 2013, spent two more years in junior after being drafted, and spent two years in AHL and he is still not ready to play even with McDonald injured. Everyone I’ve read who has followed him in the AHL believes he is a good player. If the Flyers do not bring him up during the time McDonald is out, I don’t see him getting any significant time with the Flyers again this year, barring a rash of injuries. Next year, with Myers nipping at his heels and with the same logjam at the NHL level, you got to wonder if he is ever going to get significant time with the Flyers. Let's hope they bring him up during the upcoming road trip.
- Bergey

Long time poster, short time reader.

So I didn't read all of this.

But I will say a) There was not a time in the game that the Flyers had momentum. It was all Ducks all the time. The Flyers' first goal was scored on a line rush. The Gudas fight had nothing to do with any proverbial momentum shift and b) the hit on Patrick was legal. No one was "run". It was just a hit my man, you can't "retaliate" a hit that happens 20 times in a hockey game. It was just a freak accident really- I'm sure Patrick has taken hundreds of hits exactly like that since midget.

Goons are bad at hockey. I would never take a "protector" on the 4th line. Ever. It does jack poop and they're bad at hockey. I'd rather have Leier-Laughton-Raffl and have that 4th line dominate and shift momentum with scoring chances each time they're on the ice rather than overpay (lol pittsburgh) for an AHL caliber player.

Bogosian hurt again....shocking
- nastyflyergirl

Every player on their team looks completely lost in this game


Edit, of course they start playing well now

Every player on their team looks completely lost in this game
- Mordecai

I'm not watching, how's Pennywise look?

I'm really curious on how he plays with that new and imo slightly questionable contract (at this point in his career)

I'm not watching, how's Pennywise look?

I'm really curious on how he plays with that new and imo slightly questionable contract (at this point in his career)
- Giroux_Is_God

I started complaining and now the Sabres are flying out there lol. I like Eichel a lot but he's pretty atrocious defensively. At least from what I've seen.

I started complaining and now the Sabres are flying out there lol. I like Eichel a lot but he's pretty atrocious defensively. At least from what I've seen.
- Mordecai

Maybe you should complain about the Flyers

I actually have the Sixers on right now, switching between the WS

Long time poster, short time reader.

So I didn't read all of this.

But I will say a) There was not a time in the game that the Flyers had momentum. It was all Ducks all the time. The Flyers' first goal was scored on a line rush. The Gudas fight had nothing to do with any proverbial momentum shift and b) the hit on Patrick was legal. No one was "run". It was just a hit my man, you can't "retaliate" a hit that happens 20 times in a hockey game. It was just a freak accident really- I'm sure Patrick has taken hundreds of hits exactly like that since midget.

Goons are bad at hockey. I would never take a "protector" on the 4th line. Ever. It does jack poop and they're bad at hockey. I'd rather have Leier-Laughton-Raffl and have that 4th line dominate and shift momentum with scoring chances each time they're on the ice rather than overpay (lol pittsburgh) for an AHL caliber player.
- Giroux_Is_God

You got to read the rest of my post. In my post, I stated that Dale Weise was supposed to provide an element of toughness to the Flyers which he has failed to do. I do not think he is good at hockey and I believe that Colin McDonald is a better player, is a tougher player, and wouldn't cost $2.5 million over the next three years and he is not a goon. The Pens have Ryan Reeves. The Devils have Dylan Prost. Would you want either of them on the Flyers? Two Stanley Cup Winning GMs have them on their teams. I also stated that Sam Morin would provide much needed size and toughness to a team that frankly needs it.

I am a long time viewer on this board but do not post very often.

I did not see the game last night but was following it on NHL game center on my phone. Statistically speaking, based on shots on goal at least, it looked like the Flyers started out fast but after that Gudas fight, the momentum seemed to turn in the Duck’s favor as they began to pile up the shots at the end of the first period and beginning of the second period. Did anyone notice a shift in momentum after the fight?

One thing that bothered me was the hit on Patrick. I know everyone has been saying that it was legal, shoulder on shoulder, and he put himself in a bad position. Even if it was legal, I think it is a big mistake to allow your prized rookie to get run like that without retaliating. Was Weise on the ice and if so, did he do anything? Would the Devils stand idly by and allow Hischier run like that? Would the Penguins allow Crosby to get run like that? The answer is no. Of course, the Devils have Dylan Prout and the Penguins have Ryan Reeves. The Flyers don’t have anyone like that on their roster right now other than Simmonds who is too valuable to be in the box. Weise is supposed to provide that element and he is a huge disappointment. I watch him play and I have watched Colin McDonald play and to me, McDonald is more effective and more physical and doesn’t cost $2.5 million per year for another three years.

I generally like what Hextall has done to transform this team into a faster, more skilled team, but I think we are going to see the Flyers players especially the younger players get run because of the lack of size in the line-up. And, they have Morin who can fit this glaring need sitting in the minors. It just doesn’t make sense. I understand that Hakstol does not want to go with three rookies and they now only have one right handed defenseman, but he was drafted 11th overall in 2013, spent two more years in junior after being drafted, and spent two years in AHL and he is still not ready to play even with McDonald injured. Everyone I’ve read who has followed him in the AHL believes he is a good player. If the Flyers do not bring him up during the time McDonald is out, I don’t see him getting any significant time with the Flyers again this year, barring a rash of injuries. Next year, with Myers nipping at his heels and with the same logjam at the NHL level, you got to wonder if he is ever going to get significant time with the Flyers. Let's hope they bring him up during the upcoming road trip.
- Bergey

I don't believe Weise was signed to be the Flyers tough guy and to be the policeman on the ice. It's not that kind of league anymore and there was no reason to avenge for the hit on Patrick. It was a good clean hard hit. Morin is going to get his chance at some point. It's interesting that, not saying you, that the Flyers defense needed to get faster, more skilled, and better with they puck to be a top team, now after one game where the Flyers got whupped by a physical team, they now have a glaring need for more size. I think it's an overreaction to one bad game. We'll know what this team is really about by how they bounce back.

I started complaining and now the Sabres are flying out there lol. I like Eichel a lot but he's pretty atrocious defensively. At least from what I've seen.
- Mordecai

well they are missing Bogosian, Falk, Gorges and Beaulieu

Not so much after the fight late in the 1st although it obviously didn't go well for Gudas. I thought the turning point was Patrick getting knocked out of the game early in the 2nd. The Ducks said the fight pumped them up and I don't see any reason for them to lie about that. I don't think the Flyers would admit they died a bit when Patrick went down, but I think they did.
- fls13

The Flyers scored the first goal and the 1st period ended 1-1, but I think the Ducks had control of the game from the beginning.

You got to read the rest of my post. In my post, I stated that Dale Weise was supposed to provide an element of toughness to the Flyers which he has failed to do. I do not think he is good at hockey and I believe that Colin McDonald is a better player, is a tougher player, and wouldn't cost $2.5 million over the next three years and he is not a goon. The Pens have Ryan Reeves. The Devils have Dylan Prost. Would you want either of them on the Flyers? Two Stanley Cup Winning GMs have them on their teams. I also stated that Sam Morin would provide much needed size and toughness to a team that frankly needs it.
- Bergey

ahhh..no. I don't want Reeves on my team. Or Prost. The team needs to get quicker and more skilled.

Weise hasn't lived up to expectations, but those expectations weren't Reeves-like. I think Weise was brought in here for gritty bottom 6 minutes, with the thought of chipping in some more offense than your average bottom 6 player. He did that on the Habs. Unfortunately not here, and because of this isn't living up to a 4 year contract. The 2.5 mil is fine with me, the length is not.

To your other point, another poster in here mentioned trying Colin Mac with the big club. It's an interesting thought *shrugs* With that said, like I wrote above they need to get quicker and more skilled. I don't think Colin Mac does either of this. I think Lehtera and Weise are more skilled

well they are missing Bogosian, Falk, Gorges and Beaulieu
- nastyflyergirl

Yeah but all of those guys are bad too

The Flyers scored the first goal and the 1st period ended 1-1, but I think the Ducks had control of the game from the beginning.
- MJL

Sure we can say that in hindsight, but the game slipped away from them goal by goal. Certainly teams have been well outplayed in the 1st and come back to win, especially when they came out of the 1st tied. Unfortunately for the Flyers, when they fell behind due to a couple breakdowns, they were done. You're right about the key being how they bounce back because there's nothing they can do about last night's catastrophe now.

I don't believe Weise was signed to be the Flyers tough guy and to be the policeman on the ice. Morin is going to get his chance at some point. It's interesting that, not saying you, that the Flyers defense needed to get faster, more skilled, and better with they puck to be a top team, now after one game where the Flyers got whupped by a physical team, they now have a glaring need for more size. I think it's an overreaction to one bad game. We'll know what this team is really about by how they bounce back.
- MJL

I believe Weise was signed as a replacement for Ryan White who did fill that role. Weise did fight a good amount of fighting earlier in his career and really isn't much of a scorer and isn't very fast. If you are right and he wasn't signed to provide some toughness or size as Ryan White did, I really question the signing. You are right, the Flyers needed to get more mobile and fast on defense and up front, but you have to have some size and toughness as well. I think Morin would provide that. Wouldn't you agree?

I believe Weise was signed as a replacement for Ryan White who did fill that role. Weise did fight a good amount of fighting earlier in his career and really isn't much of a scorer and isn't very fast. If you are right and he wasn't signed to provide some toughness or size as Ryan White did, I really question the signing. You are right, the Flyers needed to get more mobile and fast on defense and up front, but you have to have some size and toughness as well. I think Morin would provide that. Wouldn't you agree?
- Bergey

You are about to begin a battle you cannot hope to win, oh traveler of mine.

Sure we can say that in hindsight, but the game slipped away from them goal by goal. Certainly teams have been well outplayed in the 1st and come back to win, especially when they came out of the 1st tied. Unfortunately for the Flyers, when they fell behind due to a couple breakdowns, they were done. You're right about the key being how they bounce back because there's nothing they can do about last night's catastrophe now.
- fls13

It's not in hindsight, As I was watching the game in the first period I thought the Ducks were controlling play even while the Flyers had a 1 goal lead. The top line was playing well and that was about it. The turning point was the opening drop of the puck. The Flyers were flat, sloppy, and didn't match the energy of the Ducks from the get go.

Sure we can say that in hindsight, but the game slipped away from them goal by goal. Certainly teams have been well outplayed in the 1st and come back to win, especially when they came out of the 1st tied. Unfortunately for the Flyers, when they fell behind due to a couple breakdowns, they were done. You're right about the key being how they bounce back because there's nothing they can do about last night's catastrophe now.
- fls13

I hear what you're saying, but I'll say 2 things.


After the 1st period I thought to myself "holy christ this is gonna be 5-1". I wasn't far off. No way for me to prove that because I didn't post it or anything, but I promise I thought those exact words in my head. Just to shed some light on how bad I thought they were really playing. Which leads me to my second point. I think they get blown out regardless of Patrick getting his head stapled. The Ducks curbstomped them

I believe Weise was signed as a replacement for Ryan White who did fill that role. Weise did fight a good amount of fighting earlier in his career and really isn't much of a scorer and isn't very fast. If you are right and he wasn't signed to provide some toughness or size as Ryan White did, I really question the signing. You are right, the Flyers needed to get more mobile and fast on defense and up front, but you have to have some size and toughness as well. I think Morin would provide that. Wouldn't you agree?
- Bergey

White didn't fill that role either. White was a 4th line player. Hextall signed Weise to a 4 year deal for 2+M a year, and it was not to play on the 4th line. It was to play a top 9 role, provide some physical play on the forecheck and chip in some offense.

I wanted all 3 rookie defenseman in the lineup from the get go. I don't think they have a glaring need for size and toughness. It's a skating, passing, quick puck moving game now.

ahhh..no. I don't want Reeves on my team. Or Prost. The team needs to get quicker and more skilled.

Weise hasn't lived up to expectations, but those expectations weren't Reeves-like. I think Weise was brought in here for gritty bottom 6 minutes, with the thought of chipping in some more offense than your average bottom 6 player. He did that on the Habs. Unfortunately not here, and because of this isn't living up to a 4 year contract. The 2.5 mil is fine with me, the length is not.

To your other point, another poster in here mentioned trying Colin Mac with the big club. It's an interesting thought *shrugs* With that said, like I wrote above they need to get quicker and more skilled. I don't think Colin Mac does either of this. I think Lehtera and Weise are more skilled
- Giroux_Is_God

As I understand it, Weise was brought in to replace Ryan White who did fill that kind of role with the Flyers. I am not impressed with Weise at all and I am not sure what he adds to the team. I do not believe he is better than McDonald who is a pretty decent goal scorer in the AHL, i s much more physical, and I think plays much harder. Regarding Reves and Prout, there are at least least 2GMs who would disagree with you.