Then he doesn't have the ability to be Captain, Messier missed the (frank) out of Gretzky but it didn't change his game
- KreiderBomb

you know, the 88-89 Oilers had one of their most miserable seasons of that era and I am sure the first 10 games Messier played that year were very strange for him

took him a long time to adjust, they ended up losing to the Kings in first round that year too

it wasn't until the next season that Messier and the other Oilers grabbed the bull by the balls

it's not just you, a lot of people are pretending they never ripped Stepan on a constant basis all the time
- jimbro83

Im glad we are not on the hook for that contract with the no move kicking in. even with this hellish start

you know, the 88-89 Oilers had one of their most miserable seasons of that era and I am sure the first 10 games Messier played that year were very strange for him

to him a long time to adjust, they ended up losing to the Kings in first round that year too

it wasn't until the next season that Messier and the other Oilers grabbed the bull by the balls
- jimbro83

Good points for sure. Hopefully some of it rings true and they can get out of this funk.

I may be pretty negative most of the time but I really do want them to figure it out. The only thing I am going to have a hard time letting go of is AV staying with the team.

Im glad we are not on the hook for that contract with the no move kicking in. even with this hellish start
- mrn22

the reality is that Stepan was on the decline and Arizona was the only team in the league that would take that contract on without the NYR keeping some of the $$$

Im glad we are not on the hook for that contract with the no move kicking in. even with this hellish start
- mrn22

Agreed, still a better move for the future which honestly doesn't include a lot of these guys and starts really when Shesterkin arrives

Hell of game from Lindberg here.
http://hockeystats.ca/game/2017020135
- tomburton99

I wonder what it would have taken to keep him away from Vegas. if its a 1st round pick then im glad they didnt but you still have to wonder

No, he was talking about Grabner. I just said that because I find Kreider to be much more frustrating. Grabner is what he has always been and had a great year last year. Kreider is quickly becoming a the worst 28 goal scorer I can remember. I just don't understand why he hasn't been shown to the press box. He needs his granny to come and hit him with her slipper or something. The guy just looks like he doesn't give a poop.
- Tonybere

I'm telling you, Kreider and Brock Nelson are the exact same type of player. At times they do stuff that makes you jump out of your seat and then they go missing for ~3mo at a clip. It's infuriating.

Agreed, still a better move for the future which honestly doesn't include a lot of these guys and starts really when Shesterkin arrives
- KreiderBomb

If he arrives. The longer he stays over there, the more nervous I get.

Idk if I am, with the lack of center depth and seeing how they now have nothing on the roster. In time it may turn out ok. But DeAngelo needs to play to see if he can be a decent offensive D-man.
- tomburton99

It really seems like they made that deal thinking that Lindberg wasn't going anywhere. But, if they thought he was such an asset why wouldn't they realize that Vegas would see that, too?

If the Rangers don't get the win against the Coyotes I could see AV not being here for the game against Montreal.

the reality is that Stepan was on the decline and Arizona was the only team in the league that would take that contract on without the NYR keeping some of the $$$
- jimbro83

facts on facts

Agreed, still a better move for the future which honestly doesn't include a lot of these guys and starts really when Shesterkin arrives
- KreiderBomb

thats right, cant be all about this year. gotta start looking a little down the line when a real window can reopen

Ben Bishop already annoyed with Ken Hitchcock.

https://twitter.com/Dalla...status/923191185048342529

it's not just you, a lot of people are pretending they never ripped Stepan on a constant basis all the time
- jimbro83

I ripped the poop out of him I think it was his sophomore year. I made you take a break.

I did grow to like him and appreciate how he wasn't great, but good in all facets of the game. I still do the trade though.

I ripped the poop out of him I think it was his sophomore year. I made you take a break.

I did grow to like him and appreciate how he wasn't great, but good in all facets of the game. I still do the trade though.
- mdw7413

I still do the trade too, and nobody defended him more than me

I still do the trade too, and nobody defended him more than me
- jimbro83

Nope, you were definitely the true believer for the whole time.

Nope, you were definitely the true believer for the whole time.
- mdw7413

I think the only argument now is did the Rangers spend the 6.5 million in savings wisely by throwing it at Shattenkirk?

the jury is definitely still out on that one

Nope, you were definitely the true believer for the whole time.
- mdw7413

Better hope Lias Andersson is the Swedish version of him them.

Finally a cognitive breakdown or a state of the union ...
histronics aside ..A V cost us 2 games with his last minute line ups ? lil strong
dont need to relive the past as detailed as Jan BUT
I have found a common thread in our outcomes with certain players
we have traded for or tried to use and havent gotten the results
Theory: A V 's system demands 2 way responsibilities and man to man
type covers... most failures or guys who get cups of coffee must show zero aptitude in getting the system,costing terrible mistakes and T O's
K Yandle .. what we found out is he is a terrible defensemen
for all his Offensive type prowess he stunk in own zone and his + _ always reflected it ... he was a long shot to fix the PP .. band aid didnt work ...

Duke is not gonna a big name ..EVER didn t risk much

move along with todays bunch J T is there ever more of a fog type guy who trances on the ice makes T O's look like the play supposed to go on???
AGAIN for all his O type skills he is a mess as a 2 way constant.. he will fog out
lose his man , make the ill advised small % pass ..should i go on...

BiGGEST issue is leadership vacuum ..G man & STEP both had a lot of pop in locker room ... our soft spoken bioys better find a voice to kick ass & take names
Put that broadway hat away and get a f'in hard hat ..period....
A V is simply puttin the best product out to for now protect from blowouts
flawed is a strong word but we have no 2nd line center or maybe a real 1st liner
said it last yr ...Z bad would be better off with a top line center to feed off and take load off him... trying to use the centers he has & not the imposters ( Chytl-Craknell-) will wear them down for sure

Hayes is gonna be our Logan Couterier on Philly but he has 2 top centers in front of him...to be a shut down possession type center means your nor gonna be pushed to find O just take what given in transition or T O's ... he's trying to find O ad is sacrificing the other end...

Trade ... 1st we have Boo and he better not even go 1 boo hoo or his coffee
will be poured and back down to Conn.

Galenchuk is a simpler but at least a possible center .. but 2 way ..Oh my god
give em Holden for Galenchuk or prospect and salary help

I D k .. cant fathom them not protecting Oscar ot trading sum propsect /pick to keep him..something must have fallen thru as far as a center to come here
dont believe NYR brass would buy 18 yr olds to come & and play ... no way
especially not deemed franchise types (matthews or close knock offs )?

Gorts has hung A v out to dry ? gotta believe all A V is doin is workin with what is working even sumwhat .. when you see guys getting pulled and sat its caus e they are lost on the ice ... watch Buchny sumtimes he just drifts and always out of D zone (prematurely) never out of O zone ... he's one of the last out of the O zone when he goes deep behind goal line to work for puck...

not much on the beam with this team.....YET time is a deadly beat..Ariz loss could spell DOOM for the team OR be the poison needed to trade so called top assets to fill a gaping hole that NEVER should have been there in the 1st place

NHL centers have become like the quarterbacks of football
cant really COMPETE unless you have a top one ......
2 top centers..... you are the elite zone and stand a strong chance in the P O's

we NYR missed the boatin getting top centers the last yrs and still competed strong ..BUT looking back we trade for Nash and never found him the top center he deserved to play with??Richards was the only real attempt..
Now we have a team with talented wingers ? and no one to set them up or maintain defensive integrity and control ....

go around the lg ..our 2 to centers have to be the WORST TOP 2 IN THE LG...?

thanks gorts and slats for selling us a flawed bill of goods
I said it in summer I'm such a die hard fool i know not to invest in such a product
i canhelp myself but to watch in horror as we get hosed every nite up the middle which erodes any d integrity you can muster ...

WAKE UP AND MAKE THE MOVES TO GET THE STRENGHT WHERE IT HS TO BE
U P THE MIDDLE ....JT ..tradem if he + other guys will geta top man to start the
build back up but make moves ..status quo sucks ....L G R

I think the only argument now is did the Rangers spend the 6.5 million in savings wisely by throwing it at Shattenkirk?

the jury is definitely still out on that one
- jimbro83

Shatty has 7 pts in 10 games I think?

Still would do the move. His offense makes up for his defensive deficiencies.

I think the only argument now is did the Rangers spend the 6.5 million in savings wisely by throwing it at Shattenkirk?

the jury is definitely still out on that one
- jimbro83

I just want it on record that I was not in favor of him

although for the term I was ok with it

Shatty has 7 pts in 10 games I think?

Still would do the move. His offense makes up for his defensive deficiencies.
- mdw7413

I'll go back to forwards blowing scoring chances again.

I easily think Shatty could have 15 assists by now. EASILY

Better hope Lias Andersson is the Swedish version of him them.
- tomburton99

I think its a fair comparison. I don't know if Andersson will be getting the offensive numbers but I think his all around game is very similar. Think Andersson is a bit more physical and quicker too.

Shatty has 7 pts in 10 games I think?

Still would do the move. His offense makes up for his defensive deficiencies.
- mdw7413

They had to have Shattenkirk, other wise the right side would have been Kampfer and Deangelo.

Finally a cognitive breakdown or a state of the union ...
histronics aside ..A V cost us 2 games with his last minute line ups ? lil strong
dont need to relive the past as detailed as Jan BUT
I have found a common thread in our outcomes with certain players
we have traded for or tried to use and havent gotten the results
Theory: A V 's system demands 2 way responsibilities and man to man
type covers... most failures or guys who get cups of coffee must show zero aptitude in getting the system and using not costing terrible mistakes and T O's
K Yandle .. what we found out is he is a terrible defensemen
for all his Offensive type prowess he stunk in own zone and his + _ always reflected it ... he was a long shot to fix the PP .. band aid didnt work ...
Duke is not gonna a big name ..EVER didn t risk much
move along with todays bunch J T is there ever more of a fog type guy who trances on the ice makes T O's look like the play supposed to go on???
AGAIN for all his O type skills he is amess as a 2 way constant.. he will fog out
lose his man , make the ill advised small % pass ..should i go on...
BGGEST issue is leadership vacumm ..G man & STEP both had a lot of pop in locker room ... our soft spoken bioys better find a voice to kick ass & take names
Put that bradway hat awaay and get a f'in hard hat ..period....
A V is simply puttin the best product out to for now protect from blowouts
flawd is a strong word but we have no 2nd line center or maybe a real 1st liner
said it last yr ...Z bad would be better off with a top line center to feed offf and take load off him... trying to use the centers he has & not the imposters ( Chytl-Craknell-) will wear them down for sure
Hayes is gonna be our LoganCouterier on Philly but he has 2 top centers in front of him...
to be a shut down possession type center means your nor gonna be pushed to find O just take what given in transition or T O's ... he's trying to find O ad is sacrificing the other end...

Trade ... 1st we have Boo and he better not even go 1 boo hoo or his cooffee
will be poured and back down to Conn.

Galenchuk is a simpler but at least a possible cneter .. but 2 way ..Oh my god
give em Holden for Galenchuk or prospect and salary help
I D k .. cant fathom them not protecting Oscar ot trading sum propsect /pick to keep him..something must have fallen thru as far as a center to come here
dont believe NYR brass would buy 18 yrolds to come & and play ... no way
especiall y not deemed franchise types (matthews or close knck offs )?
Gorts has hung A v out to dry ? gotta believe all A V is doin is workin with what is working even sumwhat .. when you see guys getting pulled and sat its caus e they are lost on the ice ... watch Buchny sumtimes he just drifts and always out of D zone (prematurely) never out of O zone ... he's one of the last out of the O zone when he goes deep behind goal line to work for puck...
not much on the beamwith this team.....YET time is a deadly beat..Ariz loss could spell DOOM for the team OR be the poison needed to trade so called top assets to fill a gaping hole that NEVER should have been there in the 1st place

NHL centers have become like the quarter backs of football
cant really COMPETE unless you have a top one ......
2 top centers..... you are the elite zone and stand a strong chance in the P O's

we NYR missed the boat the lst yrs andstill competed strong ..BUT looking back
we trade for Nash and never found him the top center he deserved to play with??Richards was the only real attempt..
Now we have a team with talented wingers ? and no one to set them up or maintain defensive integrity and control ....

go around the lg ..our 2 to centers have to be the WORST TOP 2 IN THE LG...?

thanks gorts and slats for selling us a flawed bill of goods
I said it in summer I'm such a die hard fool i know not to invest in such a product
i canhelp myself but to watch in horror as we get hosed every nite up the middle which erodes any d integrity you can muster ...

WAKE UP AND MAKE THE MOVES TO GET THE STRENGHT WHERE IT HS TO BE
U P THE MIDDLE ....JT ..tradem if he + other guys will geta top man to start the
build back up but make moves ..status quo sucks ....L G R
- Dundee13

yes