Is that for this season or over say the past three seasons? I will wait for your statistical response.

The reason why I ask, it was just a little while ago I remember a number of posters having Tanev on their trade lists. If your observation is true then why the (frank) would anyone suggest trading him? Statistical response not required.
- bloatedmosquito

Because he should have great value around the league, and it is going to be 5 years before the Canucks need him for reals.

Is that for this season or over say the past three seasons? I will wait for your statistical response.

The reason why I ask, it was just a little while ago I remember a number of posters having Tanev on their trade lists. If your observation is true then why the (frank) would anyone suggest trading him? Statistical response not required.
- bloatedmosquito

Because when you're rebuilding, you usually trade the guys who are older than 25 knowing that they wont be as effective (maybe not effective at all?) by the time the team is good again. Trade them while the value is high(Edler three years ago), not when they are declining(Edler now).

Because he should have great value around the league, and it is going to be 5 years before the Canucks need him for reals.
- 1970vintage

Todd Cordell said Tanev was "one of the league's best shutdown defenders"

Nucker stated "top 10 easily". He said easily.

If true I would say that yes, great value could be had. But that means nothing if you are rebuilding a team around a new core and you already have a cornerstone in a 27 year old Dman that will be 32 when needed for reals.




That makes no (frank)ing sense to me.
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Because when you're rebuilding, you usually trade the guys who are older than 25 knowing that they wont be as effective (maybe not effective at all?) by the time the team is good again. Trade them while the value is high(Edler three years ago), not when they are declining(Edler now).
- neem55

I'm with you, teams need to make decisions on players before the cap catches them, or they age into valueless assets. Wpg needs to consider the future and how players like Perrault fit in, NJD has been playing great with Zajac hurt and Henrique on L3. Far better to assess if your a contender, if not, move what you don't necessarily need and stockpile picks. I think moving Edler for a high 1st would be great if possible. Sedins are about to free up 14M in cap space and your best players are under 22. Sky is the limit in a few years time over there.

Todd Cordell said Tanev was "one of the league's best shutdown defenders"

Nucker stated "top 10 easily". He said easily.

If true I would say that yes, great value could be had. But that means nothing if you are rebuilding a team around a new core and you already have a cornerstone in a 27 year old Dman that will be 32 when needed for reals.




That makes no (frank)ing sense to me.
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- bloatedmosquito

It's only good value if Tanev can stay healthy...and he can't.

It's only good value if Tanev can stay healthy...and he can't.
- LordHumungous

Well that's being negative. If he's one of the top defenders then I would imagine he's playing against the top players on the opposing team. I'm going to guess most players like him will sustain significant injuries throughout their career. Occupational hazard I guess.

I'm a bit surprised that people are calling him top 10. I don't remember hearing that previously. But if true then jettisoning a very effective player because of age limit or typical hockey injuries (as opposed to snake bites) is short sighted in my opinion. Especially if he is still effective through his injuries (as he has already shown).

Todd Cordell said Tanev was "one of the league's best shutdown defenders"

Nucker stated "top 10 easily". He said easily.

If true I would say that yes, great value could be had. But that means nothing if you are rebuilding a team around a new core and you already have a cornerstone in a 27 year old Dman that will be 32 when needed for reals.


Well, look at the data on when players peak. I bet it’s 27ish...

That makes no (frank)ing sense to me.
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- bloatedmosquito

What does the data say about players reaching their peak? I bet it is 27ish...

What does the data say about players reaching their peak? I bet it is 27ish...
- 1970vintage

Great, you may as well say BeetleJuice

Well that's being negative. If he's one of the top defenders then I would imagine he's playing against the top players on the opposing team. I'm going to guess most players like him will sustain significant injuries throughout their career. Occupational hazard I guess.

I'm a bit surprised that people are calling him top 10. I don't remember hearing that previously. But if true then jettisoning a very effective player because of age limit or typical hockey injuries (as opposed to snake bites) is short sighted in my opinion. Especially if he is still effective through his injuries (as he has already shown).
- bloatedmosquito

Believe it or not but the main stream media guys actually acknowledged Tanev as one of the best shut down defense man in the league. It was a thing for a few days, I think Matthews or the Leafs must have been dormant for that time, but it is known.

Here's a surprising stat on tonight's goalie matchup from Devils beat writer Andrew Gross:

Goalie matchup tonight at Vancouver:
Cory Schneider (5-1-0, 3.26 GAA, .909 save pct) #NJDevils
Jacob Markstrom (3-2-2, 2.41, .911) #Canucks

Believe it or not but the main stream media guys actually acknowledged Tanev as one of the best shut down defense man in the league. It was a thing for a few days, I think Matthews or the Leafs must have been dormant for that time, but it is known.
- Makita

But when was that? This season? Last season?

I feel like I've been living in a cave because this is a recent phenomenon to me.

Heres to a win tonight and Sat. but I don't expect it to happen. I hope I don't get banned for being negative.

Thanks Carol!! We are fortunate to have you!

Talking Heads

Easily top 10 defensively. He just doesn't have a beard and a mean face so it's hard for people to admit.
- Nucker101

What does the data say about players reaching their peak? I bet it is 27ish...
- 1970vintage

Statboy will return with all the answers soon enough.

I think you have two age scales; forwards and dmen. I think you can get a lot of miles out of a defensive dman more so you can an offensive dman. I was always under the impression many of the top dmen come into their own in their early 30s.

Thanks Carol!! We are fortunate to have you!

Talking Heads
- Marwood

RC posted "same as it ever was."

I think Pres.cup posted something about "talking heads" right after.

Couldn't resist.

But when was that? This season? Last season?

I feel like I've been living in a cave because this is a recent phenomenon to me.
- bloatedmosquito

I'm guessing July, could have been just before, but definitely this summer.

Believe it or not but the main stream media guys actually acknowledged Tanev as one of the best shut down defense man in the league. It was a thing for a few days, I think Matthews or the Leafs must have been dormant for that time, but it is known.
- Makita

RC posted "same as it ever was."

I think Pres.cup posted something about "talking heads" right after.

Couldn't resist.
- bloatedmosquito

Watching the YouTube playlist because of that.

Heres to a win tonight and Sat. but I don't expect it to happen. I hope I don't get banned for being negative.
- A_SteamingLombardi

you are too lovable of a character to ban.

Well that's being negative. If he's one of the top defenders then I would imagine he's playing against the top players on the opposing team. I'm going to guess most players like him will sustain significant injuries throughout their career. Occupational hazard I guess.

I'm a bit surprised that people are calling him top 10. I don't remember hearing that previously. But if true then jettisoning a very effective player because of age limit or typical hockey injuries (as opposed to snake bites) is short sighted in my opinion. Especially if he is still effective through his injuries (as he has already shown).
- bloatedmosquito

subtle troll game but you did manage to hook a couple.

What does the data say about players reaching their peak? I bet it is 27ish...
- 1970vintage

At forward for sure. Probably a bit higher age range for a defenseman I would guess.

you are too lovable of a character to ban.
- Makita

You have to make an example out of someone.

Statboy will return with all the answers soon enough.

I think you have two age scales; forwards and dmen. I think you can get a lot of miles out of a defensive dman more so you can an offensive dman. I was always under the impression many of the top dmen come into their own in their early 30s.
- bloatedmosquito

According to this paper from UBC http://news.ubc.ca/2014/05/15/nhl-study/, forwards peak around 27-28 and defencemen 28-29.

Statboy will return with all the answers soon enough.

I think you have two age scales; forwards and dmen. I think you can get a lot of miles out of a defensive dman more so you can an offensive dman. I was always under the impression many of the top dmen come into their own in their early 30s.
- bloatedmosquito

I think that the old school hockey people would tell you “defenseman take longer to develop” yadda yadda, but the stats crowd will tell you a players peak for production is between 25-27. I have nothing to back this up.