I'm guessing July, could have been just before, but definitely this summer.
- Makita

Man, I don't remember anything positive being said about the canucks after last season let alone anything about Tanev.

I like the player. Never thought he was the cause of any canuck issues. But I never placed him top 10 in the league. I thought the general consensus on here was that he was trade bait.

Now, it's top 10 in the league. Ok, if that's the narrative now, I'll go with it...

You have to make an example out of someone.
- Marwood

You have to make an example out of someone.
- Marwood

I'm thinking of self banning to avoid this new play house.

- RonPielep

Are you volunteering as tribute?

According to this paper from UBC http://news.ubc.ca/2014/05/15/nhl-study/, forwards peak around 27-28 and defencemen 28-29.
- NewYorkNuck

with more and more players coming into the league at a younger age, i would imagine that their peaks would skew downward? probably not much but i could see the peak range move slightly lower.

interesting point though is how the nhl is evolving. in the last 20 years or so, it seemed that with training changes, medical advancements etc., more players were playing to an older age.

however, with the league skewing younger and faster, i think this trend is reversing and the average retirement age will come back down a bit.

#evolution

Per Tanev being top 10/the best, I found this through some Googling. Note: I have little to no idea what any of it means, and it's from someone else's site (linked at bottom), so take it for what it is:

Chris Tanev is the best shutdown defenseman in the NHL. He's good at doing the defenseman things. His shot suppression prevents 0.3 goals per 60 RelTM compared to an average player. That's a (frank)ton. The next highest mark by a defenseman is Brian Campbell's 0.19. That's what us fancy math nerds call an "outlier". No one is in the same tier as Tanev when it comes to shot suppression.

Why is he rarely given credit for this? Part of it is the same as Klefbom. The Canucks are poop at defending as a group, so you don't really expect them to have a star shutdown defenseman. But they do. Here he is. Existing.

The downside is, well, everything else about him, really. He's kind of poop at generating offense, below average for a D. His point production is non existent. His PP production is pretty poop. He's a really great penalty killer, though, and he eats minutes like they're wonderful pieces of salt water taffy. But that raw 5 on 5 defense that he plays just makes up for so much.

Source: https://www.stanleycupofc...he-nhl-right-now-for-real

subtle troll game but you did manage to hook a couple.
- RealityChecker

Geez, hard to shake those labels off.

We just talked about this. If Tanev's name came up in trade discussions, and you were the GM, what would you do with him? Trade bait or rebuilding cornerstone?

Man, I don't remember anything positive being said about the canucks after last season let alone anything about Tanev.

I like the player. Never thought he was the cause of any canuck issues. But I never placed him top 10 in the league. I thought the general consensus on here was that he was trade bait.

Now, it's top 10 in the league. Ok, if that's the narrative now, I'll go with it...
- bloatedmosquito

that's not the "narrative."

like a lot of issues on this thread, he garners extreme reactions.

1 camp thinks he's a great defensive defenseman with great stats (underlying stats vs pts). 1 camp thinks he's soft, fragile, overrated and stone handed with lousy stats (pts, hits etc.)

the narrative hasn't changed. some people want to trade him b/c he has great value. some people want to trade him b/c they think he's overrated. some people want to keep him as the team's defense absolutely needs him.

Geez, hard to shake those labels off.

We just talked about this. If Tanev's name came up in trade discussions, and you were the GM, what would you do with him? Trade bait or rebuilding cornerstone?
- bloatedmosquito

how a 27 year old can be a rebuilding cornerstone baffles me (read that as makes me want to bang my head on my desk).

Are you volunteering as tribute?
- 1970vintage

Yes, my sacrifice as a thanks to Carol. Do your worst mod gods.

Man, I don't remember anything positive being said about the canucks after last season let alone anything about Tanev.

I like the player. Never thought he was the cause of any canuck issues. But I never placed him top 10 in the league. I thought the general consensus on here was that he was trade bait.

Now, it's top 10 in the league. Ok, if that's the narrative now, I'll go with it...
- bloatedmosquito

I think I need to qualify my statement, I believe he was touted as 2 overall, as a shut down, defensive defense man...not top ten overall. He has a specific skill set, and being an offensive D man is not one of them.

Hope that helps.

I'm thinking of self banning to avoid this new play house.


- A_SteamingLombardi

Per Tanev being top 10/the best, I found this through some Googling. Note: I have little to no idea what any of it means, and it's from someone else's site (linked at bottom), so take it for what it is:





Source: https://www.stanleycupofc...he-nhl-right-now-for-real
- NewYorkNuck

That's what I was referring too, defensive only

That's what I was referring too, defensive only
- Makita

Ya, I think that's what most people refer to him as: an outstanding defensive defenceman. Little to no offensive upside, but outstanding in his own end.

Well that's being negative. If he's one of the top defenders then I would imagine he's playing against the top players on the opposing team. I'm going to guess most players like him will sustain significant injuries throughout their career. Occupational hazard I guess.

I'm a bit surprised that people are calling him top 10. I don't remember hearing that previously. But if true then jettisoning a very effective player because of age limit or typical hockey injuries (as opposed to snake bites) is short sighted in my opinion. Especially if he is still effective through his injuries (as he has already shown).
- bloatedmosquito

I've tried to be as optimistic as I can regarding Tanev...but everytime a level of positivity rises with me he is out for 40 games. He is a good shut down guy when healthy though.

I think I need to qualify my statement, I believe he was touted as 2 overall, as a shut down, defensive defense man...not top ten overall. He has a specific skill set, and being an offensive D man is not one of them.

Hope that helps.
- Makita

Not to worry, your statement has been eclipsed by another claiming him to be the very best in the league at what he does so there you go.

I must have slipped through the portal to bizzaro world.

Demko named AHL goalie of the month


Get hyped!

how a 27 year old can be a rebuilding cornerstone baffles me (read that as makes me want to bang my head on my desk).
- RealityChecker

I'm not saying he is.

I'm still getting over some people's description of his play. His game never screamed difference maker to me but if you are a top level defensive defenseman in the league I would think that your skill level and play would be noticeable above and beyond deep statistical analysis.

To me, the folks calling him the best are the ones doing the subtle trolling. Statistically yes, Tanev has the great numbers to make an argument but his overall influence on the game is ho-hum IMO.

I personally PM her a "thank you" every time something good happens in my life
- Nucker101

So.... you're saying that you've never pm'ed Carol?

I'm not saying he is.

I'm still getting over some people's description of his play. His game never screamed difference maker to me but if you are a top level defensive defenseman in the league I would think that your skill level and play would be noticeable above and beyond deep statistical analysis.

To me, the folks calling him the best are the ones doing the subtle trolling. Statistically yes, Tanev has the great numbers to make an argument but his overall influence on the game is ho-hum IMO.
- bloatedmosquito

i actually like watching his game. he takes/absorbs more punishment than i would like but the subtle things like a clean first pass or not panicking may not be difference makers when looking at them individually. but, when you add those subtle things up in a game; they are absolutely difference makers.

he's the type of dman that i'd love to be on the ice with. you know you can just worry about your own sh!t b/c he's usually on lock down.

Per Tanev being top 10/the best, I found this through some Googling. Note: I have little to no idea what any of it means, and it's from someone else's site (linked at bottom), so take it for what it is:





Source: https://www.stanleycupofc...he-nhl-right-now-for-real
- NewYorkNuck

Appreciate the effort but Corsi turns hockey into homework.

Appreciate the effort but Corsi turns hockey into homework.
- Beatle_john

And trolling the Leafs is just a hobby right?

Appreciate the effort but Corsi turns hockey into homework.
- Beatle_john

And hating the Leafs is a way of life
- A_SteamingLombardi

Fixed

Appreciate the effort but Corsi turns hockey into homework.
- Beatle_john

Eh, not my shtick either, but some people were wondering so thought I'd find something for the masses.

(I do think it's useful at times, just another tool in the toolbox.)