He's just jealous.
- A_SteamingLombardi

He can barely handle his own reality.

The new Hockeybuzzzzzzz......comments section is becoming worse than the one at CA.

I won't post a link to that site as it is against CoC
😆

Micah555 followed by Dozzer...WhiteLie has gone badass lately
- Makita

Sweet. I have he changes his avatar to reflect that. Whitelie I suggest, Mr.T, Sgt. Slaughter or someone with aviators.

In other news: I'm taking Edmonton as home underdogs tonight over los diablos(Draisitl back really helps this team), Ottawa over Ve-gas and Dallas over Buffalo. I'm not sure if we have any gamblers on the board, but if so may the winners be yours!

The new Hockeybuzzzzzzz......comments section is becoming worse than the one at CA.

I won't post a link to that site as it is against CoC
😆
- Renidrag

We're just a parody.

Gudbranson

https://twitter.com/omarc...status/926177897777205248
- Codes1087

You are a broken record today

Thanks Codes

You are a broken record today

Thanks Codes
- CanuckDon

Fatherhood does that to some.

Fatherhood does that to some.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I have averaged 4 shots of espresso to every hour slept since she was born

You are a broken record today

Thanks Codes
- CanuckDon

Lol i was waiting for you to chime in donny. Sorry i know you like guddy. Ill ease up hows life treating you man?

Excuse me...your anti-Stecher rants are not welcome here...
- LordHumungous

Flagged...
Everyone is welcome to share there opinions without harassment here.
Your anti equality goes against the hand holding that is happening.... plus you've insulted a ref... i expect a lengthy ban.

I have averaged 4 shots of espresso to every hour slept since she was born
- Codes1087

When you switch to bourbon then we'll call you a father

When you switch to bourbon then we'll call you a father
- A_SteamingLombardi

Gudbranson is not a good hockey player. He can fight, i guess he can be a hype man... but defensively his underlying stats are atrocious. He can basically clear the puck effectively in the defensive zone. His salary wont equate his skills.
- Codes1087

The question was about justifying how Guddy is a plug. That definition to me is someone who barely qualifies to play NHL minutes.

Your first statement is based on stats alone that don't draw the full picture. Like any stat analysis it has winners and losers based on what the criteria it holds as value. Guddy's game doesn't hold value in the measurements you have shown. But it doesn't mean he doesn't have value or is not a good hockey player.

Guddy plays top PK minutes and is used in key defensive situations. He plays aggressive and intimidates. Its not about the fighting but the punishment he imposes on players. Also he can skate well and make a decent pass and if given time and space has a hard shot. There are other intangibles as well beyond eye test. Like leadership for example. Team chemistry and so on.

Every team should have one player that can bring what Guddy can and your stat darling puck movers can fill out the rest of the line up.

As far as contract that just is a market thing. It's not a validation against keeping him. He's young and can improve and grow with team. What would the replacement be at this point?

I don't mind Gudbranson, but he can't skate well. Guy gets beat waay too easily by any forward with decent speed.

The question was about justifying how Guddy is a plug. That defination to me is someone who barely qualifies to play NHL minutes.

Your first statement is based on stats alone that don't draw the full picture. Like any stat analysis it has winners and losers based on what the criteria it holds as value. Guddy's game doesn't hold value in the measurements you have shown. But it doesn't mean he doesn't have value or is a good hockey player.

Guddy plays top PK minutes and is used in key defensive situations. He plays aggressive and intimidates. Its not about the fighting but the punishment he imposes on players. Also he can skate well and make a decent pass and if given time and space has a hard shot. There are other intangibles as well beyond eye test. Like leadership for example. Team chemistry and so on.

Every team should have one player that can bring what Guddy can and your stat darling puck movers can fill out the rest of the line up.

As far as contract that just is a market thing. It's not a validation against keeping him. He's young and can improve and grow with team. What would the replacement be at this point?
- Nuck4U

I'll give you the leadership and PK viability... maybe even the team chemistry stuff. But Guddy is not a good skater. He doesn't make a good first pass (as evidenced by his controlled zone exit stats), and while he may have a hard shot, he rarely can get himself into the space to take it.

The PK is basically the best possible situation for Gudbranson as he isn't required to make a pass and can just rifle it off the boards and out (which is what he does most of the time 5on5 anyway). Playing a static box system PK where he can clear out the front of the next and block a shot or two is Gudranson at his best

The question was about justifying how Guddy is a plug. That defination to me is someone who barely qualifies to play NHL minutes.

Your first statement is based on stats alone that don't draw the full picture. Like any stat analysis it has winners and losers based on what the criteria it holds as value. Guddy's game doesn't hold value in the measurements you have shown. But it doesn't mean he doesn't have value or is a good hockey player.

Guddy plays top PK minutes and is used in key defensive situations. He plays aggressive and intimidates. Its not about the fighting but the punishment he imposes on players. Also he can skate well and make a decent pass and if given time and space has a hard shot. There are other intangibles as well beyond eye test. Like leadership for example. Team chemistry and so on.

Every team should have one player that can bring what Guddy can and your stat darling puck movers can fill out the rest of the line up.

As far as contract that just is a market thing. It's not a validation against keeping him. He's young and can improve and grow with team. What would the replacement be at this point?
- Nuck4U

If you continue to post well thought out posts that are readable and non-combative like this, you will win over some people here.
and I agree with you👍

If you continue to post well thought out posts that are readable and non-combative like this, you will win over some people here.
and I agree with you👍
- Renidrag

I don't mind Gudbranson, but he can't skate well. Guy gets beat waay too easily by any forward with decent speed.
- Nucker101

Do you have a turnstile stat so we can compare the eye test....?

The question was about justifying how Guddy is a plug. That definition to me is someone who barely qualifies to play NHL minutes.

Your first statement is based on stats alone that don't draw the full picture. Like any stat analysis it has winners and losers based on what the criteria it holds as value. Guddy's game doesn't hold value in the measurements you have shown. But it doesn't mean he doesn't have value or is a good hockey player.

Guddy plays top PK minutes and is used in key defensive situations. He plays aggressive and intimidates. Its not about the fighting but the punishment he imposes on players. Also he can skate well and make a decent pass and if given time and space has a hard shot. There are other intangibles as well beyond eye test. Like leadership for example. Team chemistry and so on.

Every team should have one player that can bring what Guddy can and your stat darling puck movers can fill out the rest of the line up.

As far as contract that just is a market thing. It's not a validation against keeping him. He's young and can improve and grow with team. What would the replacement be at this point?
- Nuck4U

I posted a link on his corsi and shot generation and shot suppression. I supported my claim with data. I personally dont like him as a hockey player just like i never liked bieksa. I also supported the plug statement in saying he will want more than 3 million from benning to be a mediocre 3rd pairing d man. I would prefer to trade him and bw replaced by a proper and modern 2 way defenseman. Not trying to start an arguement but my opinion on gudbranson isnt new and i dont want to repost the same links and charts that i have in the past.

I'll give you the leadership and PK viability... maybe even the team chemistry stuff. But Guddy is not a good skater. He doesn't make a good first pass (as evidenced by his controlled zone exit stats), and while he may have a hard shot, he rarely can get himself into the space to take it.

The PK is basically the best possible situation for Gudbranson as he isn't required to make a pass and can just rifle it off the boards and out (which is what he does most of the time 5on5 anyway). Playing a static box system PK where he can clear out the front of the next and block a shot or two is Gudranson at his best
- nucks_94

From watching games it seems Guddy has improved that under the TG system that has more puck possession. Noticed him shoveling puck off to D partner or forward.

Tell you what let's count on HB next game how many times Guddy rifles the puck out of the zone 5x5. See where that assumption stands. If it is many it would make a good drinking game

From watching games it seems Guddy has improved that under the TG system that has more puck possession. Noticed him shoveling puck off to D partner or forward.

Tell you what let's count on HB next game how many times Guddy rifles the puck out of the zone 5x5. See where that assumption stands. If it is many it would make a good drinking game
- Nuck4U

I dont think we need to make into something big. People will always find they need a dman like a bieksa, maquaid, myers, gudbranson, in their line up and other people dont. Its just a preference thing. I just figure if im going to hate on him in here i have to justify why.

I posted a link on his corsi and shot generation and shot suppression. I supported my claim with data. I personally dont like him as a hockey player just like i never liked bieksa. I also supported the plug statement in saying he will want more than 3 million from benning to be a mediocre 3rd pairing d man. I would prefer to trade him and bw replaced by a proper and modern 2 way defenseman. Not trying to start an arguement but my opinion on gudbranson isnt new and i dont want to repost the same links and charts that i have in the past.
- Codes1087

I took the stats into account and didn't reject them. There is nothing to disagree about puck moving etc. Just that those measurements do not reflect Guddy's game. Gave you a counter view to value and why Guddy can be a fit.

As for plug statement and contract that just is another issue that has a different measure too.

OJ, when ready, is only proper modern two way D Canucks have but he's a LD. Hopefully JB gets a RD among the many available in this draft. Other then that where is the replacement right now?

I see gudbranson like i see bieksa. Dont need analytics or charts to know they are bad lol. Ever see guddy carry the puck out of the zone instead of pass or ice? Lol
- Codes1087

Agree. Hopefully Guddy doesn't start shucking his fighting duties like Bieksa did.

'Once a crusher tries to become a rusher they quickly turn in to an usher'.
- Don Cherry

I dont think we need to make into something big. People will always find they need a dman like a bieksa, maquaid, myers, gudbranson, in their line up and other people dont. Its just a preference thing. I just figure if im going to hate on him in here i have to justify why.
- Codes1087

You don't want to play the Guddy rifle off the boards game with N'94 and all...?

Come on if you guys are right we all get drunk on Guddy's follies. If that assumption is wrong then we can all celebrate drinking the bourbon.... win win...

its a new daddy rights of passage on a Saturday night hockey game

I posted a link on his corsi and shot generation and shot suppression. I supported my claim with data. I personally dont like him as a hockey player just like i never liked bieksa. I also supported the plug statement in saying he will want more than 3 million from benning to be a mediocre 3rd pairing d man. I would prefer to trade him and bw replaced by a proper and modern 2 way defenseman. Not trying to start an arguement but my opinion on gudbranson isnt new and i dont want to repost the same links and charts that i have in the past.
- Codes1087

The stats match the eye test.

Lol i was waiting for you to chime in donny. Sorry i know you like guddy. Ill ease up hows life treating you man?
- Codes1087

all good Codes! Guddy is a polarizing player. Some folks will dislike him and some won't. The stats test generally backs up the eye test with him. He is solid at preventing opponents from gaining the zone with control but he also has trouble skating the puck out of the zone. I just like his physical presence and his impact in the dressing room. Yes, intangibles In the famous words of Matt Martin, I'd take him on my team any day.

Agree to disagree on EG

edit. Life is great, I will be in the sun the next 2.5 weeks so hockey hasn't been on my mind. Hope fatherhood is treating you well