Also a huge disappointment to the majority of their fan base. Yes, I'm sure he has a few "defenders" as well. Silent Sam's Draft position is what makes him a bust to this point. How is that not relevant? If he was a late pick, expectations would be far lower. He has basically met expectations of a 3Rd or 4th rounder.
- Boss34

The majority of 3rd and 4th rounders barely make it to the NHL, let alone at the age he did. I don't have the exact percentages in front of me, but I'm fairly certain that less than half of guys drafted in the 3rd or 4th round make it to the NHL and contribute year over year.

Ok...
that makes more sense
I must have misinterpreted

I’d wanna see what Sam can do with some help before I just ship him off for a prospect

Unless it’s a very good prospect...
but if Duchene won’t even get that return, then I kinda doubt Sam will
- jdfitz77

There was an offer on the table of Faulk for Duchene. Sakic balked. He's getting great offers.

Also a huge disappointment to the majority of their fan base. Yes, I'm sure he has a few "defenders" as well. Silent Sam's Draft position is what makes him a bust to this point. How is that not relevant? If he was a late pick, expectations would be far lower. He has basically met expectations of a 3Rd or 4th rounder.
- Boss34

To date, Reinhart has scored more points then everyone in his draft class except 4: Pasternak, Draisaitl, Ehlers, and Ekblad. There's only 5 players that could pass him in points through their first 180 games: Nylander (will), Larkin (maybe), Fabbri (maybe), and Arvidsson (maybe), and Point (maybe). If we're looking at points per game played, he's currently falling to about 10th in his draft class. Tell me again how he "basically met expectations of a 3rd or 4th rounder?

Tyrod has made numerous cast off wr's relevant . But you can't see that side of the coin. HUH????? dude lay of the synthetics...

- hehateme

The tyrod comparison is response to jfitz. He has since back tracked on the tyrod bashing.

Somehow he's not a franchise guy ect. Even though he's playing well above expectations

IE: TYROD was a free agent signing at the most important position in sports. We didn't have to tank to get him. Thus MY expectations have been met.

Jfitz thinks 23 is doing just fine and is ok with him being a 35 point guy. That is below MY expectations especially for a #2 pick overall

Also a huge disappointment to the majority of their fan base. Yes, I'm sure he has a few "defenders" as well. Silent Sam's Draft position is what makes him a bust to this point. How is that not relevant? If he was a late pick, expectations would be far lower. He has basically met expectations of a 3Rd or 4th rounder.
- Boss34

The average expectations of a 3rd-4th rounder is to make the AHL team. Only 20-30% of those picks even play 50 games.

The majority of 3rd and 4th rounders barely make it to the NHL, let alone at the age he did. I don't have the exact percentages in front of me, but I'm fairly certain that less than half of guys drafted in the 3rd or 4th round make it to the NHL and contribute year over year.
- HonkFortheGoose

So you're saying I was l8.

The tyrod comparison is response to jfitz. He has since back tracked on the tyrod bashing.

Somehow he's not a franchise guy ect. Even though he's playing well above expectations

IE: TYROD was a free agent signing at the most important position in sports. We didn't have to tank to get him. Thus MY expectations have been met.

Jfitz thinks 23 is doing just fine and is ok with him being a 35 point guy. That is below MY expectations especially for a #2 pick overall
- Boss34

I can agree with this. Just don't call it a 3rd/4th round expectation. He's performing like a early-mid 1st rounder. That's not good enough, but don't go over the top. Hurts your argument.

I agree, but short of Dahlin, he's the best way to get a Sergachev type back in a trade wihtout moving one of the core peices.
- sbroads24

Is that guy out there though? And don't say Juolevi. Going to Europe from NA is never a good sign in that situation. Not saying he won't be a good player, but it's a risk even if it's not about his play but some other issue. Just stay one more year in the OHL instead of going and playing on a different sheet of ice and learning bad habits then coming back and having to unlearn them.

The tyrod comparison is response to jfitz. He has since back tracked on the tyrod bashing.

Somehow he's not a franchise guy ect. Even though he's playing well above expectations

IE: TYROD was a free agent signing at the most important position in sports. We didn't have to tank to get him. Thus MY expectations have been met.

Jfitz thinks 23 is doing just fine and is ok with him being a 35 point guy. That is below MY expectations especially for a #2 pick overall
- Boss34

Mental note. Sam is below Boss34's expectations.

To date, Reinhart has scored more points then everyone in his draft class except 4: Pasternak, Draisaitl, Ehlers, and Ekblad. There's only 5 players that could pass him in points through their first 180 games: Nylander (will), Larkin (maybe), Fabbri (maybe), and Arvidsson (maybe), and Point (maybe). If we're looking at points per game played, he's currently falling to about 10th in his draft class. Tell me again how he "basically met expectations of a 3rd or 4th rounder?
- SDSabre

So 2014 was a bad draft year, we all knew that going into the draft? How does that excuse his week play?

So 2014 was a bad draft year, we all knew that going into the draft? How does that excuse his week play?
- Boss34

And see my post above, as well as a few others. 3rd and 4th rounders rarely contribute in the way he has. I'm just saying call a spade a spade.

The average expectations of a 3rd-4th rounder is to make the AHL team. Only 20-30% of those picks even play 50 games.
- RhinoFan

He has met those expectations. Not arguing that. Nobody else wants more out of him?

Disagree I will just leave it at that will just find out who’s better at the end of the year
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Just the fact that Toronto scores a ton of goals and the Sabres, well, don't means Marner has a fantastic chance of ending up with more points, especially if Sam is playing 14 minutes a night away from the only guys who generate any kind of offense.

I can agree with this. Just don't call it a 3rd/4th round expectation. He's performing like a early-mid 1st rounder. That's not good enough, but don't go over the top. Hurts your argument.
- SDSabre

Fair enough

He has met those expectations. Not arguing that. Nobody else wants more out of him?
- Boss34

So has Eichel. He's met those expectations of making it to at least the AHL, far above his name right of Jack ECHL. Quit using hyperbole, it hurts your argument.

At some point (which is now) the sabres need to see what Sam can do for other players. Bring them up. Stop complaining about his wingers. Good players make other players around them better. He is not making himself or anyone better. The sabres are clearly trying to see what he can do with out Eichel. His contract will reflect his on ice points, which are inflated by eichel.
Tyrod has made numerous cast off wr's relevant . But you can't see that side of the coin.

How does draft position just go away and become irreverent? Ever? It's a fact, he was drafted 2nd and is not playing like a 2nd overall pick
- Boss34

Not necessarily true. Kane doesn't make those around him better, in fact it's the opposite.

Mental note. Sam is below Boss34's expectations.
- RhinoFan

RhinoFan : clearly likes 23 , won't change his mind. How are you not disappointed? This is what you were hoping for? Met your expectations?

So you're saying I was l8.
- RhinoFan

You actually gave percentages. So it was helpful, IMO.

You can't possibly be surprised
- HonkFortheGoose

"Predicting" the Bills to not win another game is one thing. But "predicting" that the next time the Sabres are in that situation they'd lose as "justification" to female dog after a loss is a stretch, even for him.

Not necessarily true. Kane doesn't make those around him better, in fact it's the opposite.
- Wetbandit1

Didn't kane's speed shorthanded yesterday set up the goal? Kane also gives players on his line a little more space to work with his on ice toughness. Now kane is the problem?

RhinoFan : clearly likes 23 , won't change his mind. How are you not disappointed? This is what you were hoping for? Met your expectations?
- Boss34

Nobody is saying they wouldn't like to see more from him. As a matter of fact, we're all saying we'd like to see more. We're just not all as down on him as you are. There are varying degrees among us though.

There is for sure a level of disappointment, but I'm not about to say he's a bust or bum or anything. Just not quite where I'd like to see him at this point either. It's ok to be disappointed but not feel it's necessary to run him out of town.

Didn't kane's speed shorthanded yesterday set up the goal? Kane also gives players on his line a little more space to work with his on ice toughness. Now kane is the problem?
- Boss34

he also takes dumb penalties at times. What he gives the team the takes away in other ways.

He is what he is.

How can you even possibly say thats a weak draft now

We tanked for Sam Reinhart we did not tank for nylander
- GERBE!!!75PTS

Again, wrong, we tanked for McDavid. He wanted to get a head start and get as high a pick as possible in Reinhart's year. The prize always was and always will be McDavid.

Nobody is saying they wouldn't like to see more from him. As a matter of fact, we're all saying we'd like to see more. We're just not all as down on him as you are. There are varying degrees among us though.

There is for sure a level of disappointment, but I'm not about to say he's a bust or bum or anything. Just not quite where I'd like to see him at this point either. It's ok to be disappointed but not feel it's necessary to run him out of town.
- HonkFortheGoose

Again, wrong, we tanked for McDavid. He wanted to get a head start and get as high a pick as possible in Reinhart's year. The prize always was and always will be McDavid.
- Wetbandit1

It's funny you mention McDavid. Because last I checked, Edmonton is hanging out in the bottom of the standings with us currently.