and was gone regardless in teh offseason......do you not know how to read, it was right there in my post .
- sensarmy_11

Why? Couldn't the Sens sign him? I don't know the situation. He signed with the Preds pretty quick. Not arguing just asking.

As an Avs fan, i think the trade is awesome for the future standpoint but i was hoping to get immediate help on the blue line this season... I believe they were going somewhere this season, but now without Duchene and no help on D, it might get ugly pretty quick.

Credit where credit is due.

Sakic got a hell of a haul for Duchene. That Ottawa gave this much up, though, is obscene.

I have no idea what Dorion is doing.

As an Avs fan, i think the trade is awesome for the future standpoint but i was hoping to get immediate help on the blue line this season... I believe they were going somewhere this season, but now without Duchene and no help on D, it might get ugly pretty quick.
- OnTheFly

Hanifin for Landeskog

I have a hard time seeing a true winner or loser in this deal. I like Nashville's end of the deal because I know what the Preds need, and Poile got it. I think they came out a little better than Ottawa or the Avs, but I'm a homer. Either way, I don't think anyone got completely taken.

As a Preds fan, I hate to see good D prospects leave. Girard was a good get for Sakic & I think he has the potential to be a solid top-4 Dman. He's small, but plays smart and moves the puck well. Kamenev has the potential to be a 3/4 line center, but with Turris in the fold, the Preds have 5 NHL-caliber centermen (Johansen, Turris, Bonino, Jarkrok & Sissons) who are signed long-term. They were all better than Kamenev, so he was completely expendable. What the Preds essentially did was get a replacement for what they lost in Mike Fisher, with a long term decent deal, and more offensive upside than Fisher had. That basically cost them Girard & a 2nd. Not a bad deal at all.

I don't necessarily blame the Senators for moving a UFA for a piece they really wanted. I question the value of what they gave up vs. what they got a little (Turris plus 2 prospects plus a first & third seems a lot for a guy who will be a UFA soon), but I don't think it was some epic fleecing. There are only so many top-6 caliber forwards in the league. Sometimes you have to give a little extra to get the "top" player in the trade. The picks and prospects won't help the Senators make a run this year. So, in present value terms, they did okay. It becomes a worse deal if they don't make a playoff run or lose Duchene after the 18-19 season as a UFA.

I think Sakic got about as much for Duchene as he was going to. Long term, he has at least a couple of very viable, young NHL players that will contribute, and 3 extra draft picks.

Credit where credit is due.

Sakic got a hell of a haul for Duchene. That Ottawa gave this much up, though, is obscene.

I have no idea what Dorion is doing.
- BINGO!

what exactly did ottawa give up that was SOOOOO valuable?

turris - wasn't re-signing and would have been dealt at the TDL for something worse than duchene

bowers - 28th overall pick who's in his first year of NCAA. at best he's 3 years from being NHL ready and projects to be a 3rd liner, okay 2nd at best

1st 2018 - likely that's a pick in teh 20s. if ottawa poops the bad hard then maybe it ends up in teh low teens (but it's top 10 protected) which would suck but hardly the end of the world

3rd - whatever, that's a throw in

hammond - he's a 1.5 mil AHL backup.....he has negative value in this deal


ottawa upgraded at center and gave up nothing that will have an impact on teh future of the team

Well look at that. Patience wins the day. Now when karma comes around in June and we win the draft lottery to make up for last year everything will be right again.

what exactly did ottawa give up that was SOOOOO valuable?

turris - wasn't re-signing and would have been dealt at the TDL for something worse than duchene

bowers - 28th overall pick who's in his first year of NCAA. at best he's 3 years from being NHL ready and projects to be a 3rd liner, okay 2nd at best

1st 2018 - likely that's a pick in teh 20s. if ottawa poops the bad hard then maybe it ends up in teh low teens (but it's top 10 protected) which would suck but hardly the end of the world

3rd - whatever, that's a throw in

hammond - he's a 1.5 mil AHL backup.....he has negative value in this deal


ottawa upgraded at center and gave up nothing that will have an impact on teh future of the team
- sensarmy_11

You don't think losing a 1st round pick has the potential to hurt the team?

For (frank)s sake you traded

Kyle Turris
Andrew Hammond
1st round pick
3rd Round pick

for an extra.... what? 10 goals?

Over the last 3 years Turris has scored at a .687 PPG level. Duchene has scored at .660 PPG.

Basically, is 6 months of a 55 point C, a 1st round pick, a 3rd round pick and an expensive 3rd string G worth 1.75 years of a potential 70 point C? Because I don't think it is.

Sakic's goal though was supposed to get a promising top D as well. Haven't heard any scouts saying that about Girard. Let's hope the picks can change that, otherwise you might be in a very long 2nd rebuild.
- bgainesDM

Lots of praise for Girard, hes not a no body. Might not be the sexy names of Chabot, mcavoy, sergechevs etc. But the kid has a lot of promise and probably now the Avs best young Dman, even over taking Makar since Girard has already shown some serious skill at the NHL level in his short stint

What this trade netted for CO it lacks in quality but makes up in quantity.

I do not get what Ott is thinking here. Pretty big loss in picks. Good they could dump Hammond.

Nashville the silent winner here, gets an underrated 1/2 center good for 55+ points and all without losing anything in the core.

However CO did the unthinkable and robbed another team for a trade win.
- halo63

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You don't think losing a 1st round pick has the potential to hurt the team?

For (frank)s sake you traded

Kyle Turris
Andrew Hammond
1st round pick
3rd Round pick

for an extra.... what? 10 goals?

Over the last 3 years Turris has scored at a .687 PPG level. Duchene has scored at .660 PPG.

Basically, is 6 months of a 55 point C, a 1st round pick, a 3rd round pick and an expensive 3rd string G worth 1.75 years of a potential 70 point C? Because I don't think it is.
- BINGO!

Bingo!

I mean exactly.... not you personally.

But the proof is in the pudding so let's see how it all plays out.

Bingo!

I mean exactly.... not you personally.

But the proof is in the pudding so let's see how it all plays out.
- Queenie_5_hole

Duchene is an all world talent, and he very much can produce at that level.
His issue has been and will always mentally. The guy needs to learn to cope with the stress and frustration, especially when it comes to media calling you out.

I hope he lights it up to prove all the haters wrong, but its going to be a rougher ride up in Canada for him

You don't think losing a 1st round pick has the potential to hurt the team?

For (frank)s sake you traded

Kyle Turris
Andrew Hammond
1st round pick
3rd Round pick

for an extra.... what? 10 goals?

Over the last 3 years Turris has scored at a .687 PPG level. Duchene has scored at .660 PPG.

Basically, is 6 months of a 55 point C, a 1st round pick, a 3rd round pick and an expensive 3rd string G worth 1.75 years of a potential 70 point C? Because I don't think it is.
- BINGO!

i'll bet on the POTENTIAL of duchene getting back to 70pts over the POTENTIAL that the assets ottawa gave up become impact NHL players ANY day of the week.

late 1st rd picks are at best a coin flip..........you can tell me whatever you want, but i make this deal all day every day

Well, since the saga is over, Staple confirmed that Sakic wanted Barzal, Sorokin, Hamonic, and a first.
No thanks.

Well, since the saga is over, Staple confirmed that Sakic wanted Barzal, Sorokin, Hamonic, and a first.
No thanks.
- bgainesDM

I heard it rumoured before that Sakic was offered Barzal, Hamonic and a first and turned it down. I really couldn't believe that rumour because that would have been a boatload to give up for Duchene. Happy the Islanders walked away from any Duchene talks as that really would have set back their future development

i'll bet on the POTENTIAL of duchene getting back to 70pts over the POTENTIAL that the assets ottawa gave up become impact NHL players ANY day of the week.

late 1st rd picks are at best a coin flip..........you can tell me whatever you want, but i make this deal all day every day
- sensarmy_11

1. Its November, who knows what value that pick is going to be. It can be 11th or it can be 31st, lets cool your jets with that sort of claim

2. 2018 Draft is being hyped to being a very deep draft, so you never know.

I think Sens change the dynamic of their team adding Dutch but to undervalue what was shipped out to upgrade offense but down ground defense in your Top 6 C...its a lot

i'll bet on the POTENTIAL of duchene getting back to 70pts over the POTENTIAL that the assets ottawa gave up become impact NHL players ANY day of the week.

late 1st rd picks are at best a coin flip..........you can tell me whatever you want, but i make this deal all day every day
- sensarmy_11

It's called asset management, and hey, congrats, you got a hell of a talent. For a short time. Management wasn't willing to work out a contract with Turris (or he wanted out of Ottawa), so how's it going to work when Duchene needs a new deal next year? Because if he DOES have success, it's going to be a lot more than the $6 mill per that Turris got.

Not to mention that you have Karlsson to sign that same year....

Oh, and when that time DOES come, you've got $34 million wrapped up in 8 players, 5 of which will over the age of 30.

You better pray that Logan Brown and Chabot pan out, because otherwise you are in for a world of hurt soon.

Well, since the saga is over, Staple confirmed that Sakic wanted Barzal, Sorokin, Hamonic, and a first.
No thanks.
- bgainesDM

of course he is going to want that, he was trying to get the max kings randsom that he could.

He wasnt going to ask for fair value from teams to open trade talks
Joe youre my hero

I heard it rumoured before that Sakic was offered Barzal, Hamonic and a first and turned it down. I really couldn't believe that rumour because that would have been a boatload to give up for Duchene. Happy the Islanders walked away from any Duchene talks as that really would have set back their future development
- HockeyHunter

Barzal should not be in any trade package nor Sorokin (regardless of his contract)

Barzal should not be in any trade package nor Sorokin (regardless of his contract)
- bgainesDM

I agree, couldn't believe Edmonton fans were not more upset when Chiarelli traded a 1st (15th overall) and 2nd rounder for Griffin franking Reinhart, when there were so many quality draft choices on the board for that pick in 2015. The mismanagement of the Oilers has been sad to watch as they could have the most dynamic offense in the league instead of just the most dynamic offensive player. I was also confused as to why the Leafs didn't select Travis Konecny with their pick in the early 20's of that draft. Traded down for the defenceman they wanted I guess and only time will tell how Dermott turns out. Looks decent in AHL play so far

Sakic is the f**king man! Its about time everybody realizes this, post Roy he has done nothing but improve this team to become younger and faster. I hope now fans start to see that he isn't a horrible GM. He deserves way more credit than he has gotten

1. Its November, who knows what value that pick is going to be. It can be 11th or it can be 31st, lets cool your jets with that sort of claim

2. 2018 Draft is being hyped to being a very deep draft, so you never know.

I think Sens change the dynamic of their team adding Dutch but to undervalue what was shipped out to upgrade offense but down ground defense in your Top 6 C...its a lot
- DDM-Coga

IF, and only IF, that pick falls under say 15 but above 10 will i be a little disappointed in this deal.

if the pick is in the 20s then i'm ecstatic. maybe that player will be come an elite talent but we won't know that for like 6 or 7 years at least.

any day this team can add a #1 centre while keeping chabot, brown, white, and pretty much all your top 10 prospects (i guess bowers would be around 9 or 10 on that list) then it's a win in my books.

i think the fact that all parties seem happy with what they got vs what they gave up in this deal is a pretty good indication that everyone made out pretty well.

Duchene is an all world talent, and he very much can produce at that level.
His issue has been and will always mentally. The guy needs to learn to cope with the stress and frustration, especially when it comes to media calling you out.

I hope he lights it up to prove all the haters wrong, but its going to be a rougher ride up in Canada for him
- DDM-Coga

I'm not a hater of any of the teams involved and I hope it works out very well for them. Looks to me like the Preds took the least risk as far as knowing what they gave up and what they got. The Sens and Avs made a big boy trade and are gambling more on the results.

Sakic just went from the hot seat to being a candidate for GM of the year, congrats that is a landslide deal.

IF, and only IF, that pick falls under say 15 but above 10 will i be a little disappointed in this deal.

if the pick is in the 20s then i'm ecstatic. maybe that player will be come an elite talent but we won't know that for like 6 or 7 years at least.

any day this team can add a #1 centre while keeping chabot, brown, white, and pretty much all your top 10 prospects (i guess bowers would be around 9 or 10 on that list) then it's a win in my books.

i think the fact that all parties seem happy with what they got vs what they gave up in this deal is a pretty good indication that everyone made out pretty well.
- sensarmy_11

I get you guys are saying you kept on your talent, but you sold off Turris for 3 pieces, then gave up 4 pieces of your own to get Duchene.

Bowers prospect rankings is all over the map, but pronman had him as your 4th rated prospect so I will take his word on him, but prospect rankings are subjective and hes not in the deal as an immediate impact, they now can take their time wiht him which is great.

Picks are underterimed impact but you never know what they do with it, Avs could package up, trade down in that draft....they have a lot of flexabilty to get the guys they want in that draft. Which is ideal for the directiont he team is heading.

It might not have been White, Brown, or Chabot, but Sens did give up a haul to get this done. But in theory you gave up Turris that got you an exciting Dman in Girard up and he would leap frog a lot of that talent in your "prospect rankings"