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WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Nov 9 @ 11:17 AM ET
Nuck4u has been complaining about (me) people trading and possibly making teams better...
Just saying.
Who are you trying to move?

- Pres.cup


He offered me Minnesota's Granlund, ranked 594th with 1G and 4P for Brayden Point, ranked 58th with 17 points, straight up
nucks_94
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 12.05.2008

Nov 9 @ 11:20 AM ET
Or it could miss the net, get blocked, be a weak shot, easy save, deflected, terrible angle....take your pick
- Brooks_Light



Sure... all of those could happen. I suppose it's just a coincidence that guys like Tarasenko, Ovechkin, Kucherov, and Laine are all near the top of the league in this stat
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Nov 9 @ 11:25 AM ET
traded E.kane in my keeper league for pouliot 1st and 2nd in next draft, hoping he's just playing big for the contract money and will fizzle after this year. Thoughts??
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 9 @ 11:28 AM ET
That's a pretty zero sum game ..... but sure what the hell
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Nov 9 @ 11:30 AM ET
That's a pretty zero sum game ..... but sure what the hell
- LeftCoaster

if he just fizzles back to a 40-50 point guy though, those are easy to get. Not sure if you were talking to me.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 9 @ 11:36 AM ET
Some really interesting stuff posted over on Dissect the BlueLine (Darryl Keeping). If you're interested at all in stats other than goals, assists, and plus minus, I highly recommend you go check it out. I won't post everything, but this chart gives you an idea of what he's tracking:
http://dissecttheblueline...r-shotattempt-60_orig.png

It measures individual shot attempts per 60 minutes played at 5on5. Boeser is shooting at the 4th highest rate in the league!

- nucks_94


Darryll is awesome. I follow a ton of his stuff. Not sure how he does it, but hr posts full stats of each player as soon as the period is over.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 9 @ 11:37 AM ET
if he just fizzles back to a 40-50 point guy though, those are easy to get. Not sure if you were talking to me.
- neem55

No....Pres offered me a trade in the pool.
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Nov 9 @ 11:40 AM ET


Sure... all of those could happen. I suppose it's just a coincidence that guys like Tarasenko, Ovechkin, Kucherov, and Laine are all near the top of the league in this stat

- nucks_94


Why are Carolina, Edmonton and Montreal leading the league in SAT differential, yet they're -3, -12, -13 in goal differential? And they're all near the bottom of the league in PTS. Opposed to that, teams like Vegas, Ottawa, NYJ are winning games with +goals and -SATs differentials

Just because you're getting shots or even attempted shots, doesn't mean you're winning games. Its a team sport.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Nov 9 @ 11:49 AM ET
Darryll is awesome. I follow a ton of his stuff. Not sure how he does it, but hr posts full stats of each player as soon as the period is over.
- Codes1087

link please pappa codes
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Nov 9 @ 11:51 AM ET
Why are Carolina, Edmonton and Montreal leading the league in SAT differential, yet they're -3, -12, -13 in goal differential? And they're all near the bottom of the league in PTS. Opposed to that, teams like Vegas, Ottawa, NYJ are winning games with +goals and -SATs differentials

Just because you're getting shots or even attempted shots, doesn't mean you're winning games. Its a team sport.

- Brooks_Light

Because teams are playing a faster game based on dump and chase, capitalizing on their fast players being able to forecheck and close gaps to create turnovers. I'm sure there's more than one reason, but that's what I'd say
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Nov 9 @ 11:52 AM ET
No....Pres offered me a trade in the pool.
- LeftCoaster

figures
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 9 @ 11:52 AM ET
link please pappa codes
- neem55


He is on dissecttheblueline. He posts all his links and charts on twitter during the intermissions of games. He has really really good up to date info

http://dissecttheblueline.weebly.com
nucks_94
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 12.05.2008

Nov 9 @ 11:53 AM ET
Why are Carolina, Edmonton and Montreal leading the league in SAT differential, yet they're -3, -12, -13 in goal differential? And they're all near the bottom of the league in PTS. Opposed to that, teams like Vegas, Ottawa, NYJ are winning games with +goals and -SATs differentials

Just because you're getting shots or even attempted shots, doesn't mean you're winning games. Its a team sport.

- Brooks_Light

Team corsi and individual shot attempts are related, but different in my opinion. You're right, a team's ability to generate shots doesn't necessarily correlate to goals and wins. High danger scoring chances are a better way to measure a team's ability to generate offense. However, an individual player's ability to get shots off at a high rate does seem to correlate with goal scoring ability, as evidenced by the collection of players that rank near the top of the league in that category. My point in posting that original chart is that Boeser finds himself in good company in his shot attempts per 60 and that's a good sign for him developing as a top goal scorer in this league.
SMP8719
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ALDY , BC
Joined: 02.24.2012

Nov 9 @ 11:53 AM ET
He offered me Minnesota's Granlund, ranked 594th with 1G and 4P for Brayden Point, ranked 58th with 17 points, straight up
- WhiteLie



Better then what I have gotten for offers from him haha....
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 9 @ 11:58 AM ET
Team corsi and individual shot attempts are related, but different in my opinion. You're right, a team's ability to generate shots doesn't necessarily correlate to goals and wins. High danger scoring chances are a better way to measure a team's ability to generate offense. However, an individual player's ability to get shots off at a high rate does seem to correlate with goal scoring ability, as evidenced by the collection of players that rank near the top of the league in that category. My point in posting that original chart is that Boeser finds himself in good company in his shot attempts per 60 and that's a good sign for him developing as a top goal scorer in this league.
- nucks_94


Well said!
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Nov 9 @ 12:00 PM ET
He is on dissecttheblueline. He posts all his links and charts on twitter during the intermissions of games. He has really really good up to date info

http://dissecttheblueline.weebly.com

- Codes1087

Guddy's doing pretty badly using these metrics, even worse than I thought he would be. Hutton appears to be improving, I'm pretty happy about this but hope his icetime stays limited as he's got to be consistent.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Nov 9 @ 12:02 PM ET
Team corsi and individual shot attempts are related, but different in my opinion. You're right, a team's ability to generate shots doesn't necessarily correlate to goals and wins. High danger scoring chances are a better way to measure a team's ability to generate offense. However, an individual player's ability to get shots off at a high rate does seem to correlate with goal scoring ability, as evidenced by the collection of players that rank near the top of the league in that category. My point in posting that original chart is that Boeser finds himself in good company in his shot attempts per 60 and that's a good sign for him developing as a top goal scorer in this league.
- nucks_94

Kid might single handedly take us out of the bottom five, hard to be mad about it though
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 9 @ 12:04 PM ET
Guddy's doing pretty badly using these metrics, even worse than I thought he would be. Hutton appears to be improving, I'm pretty happy about this but hope his icetime stays limited as he's got to be consistent.
- neem55


Darrylls work definitely doesnt make me like guddy any more lol.
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Nov 9 @ 12:07 PM ET
Team corsi and individual shot attempts are related, but different in my opinion. You're right, a team's ability to generate shots doesn't necessarily correlate to goals and wins. High danger scoring chances are a better way to measure a team's ability to generate offense. However, an individual player's ability to get shots off at a high rate does seem to correlate with goal scoring ability, as evidenced by the collection of players that rank near the top of the league in that category. My point in posting that original chart is that Boeser finds himself in good company in his shot attempts per 60 and that's a good sign for him developing as a top goal scorer in this league.
- nucks_94


Obviously, I agree to an extent, the more shots, the better chance of scoring/winning.

But this one particular stat doesn't paint an accurate team picture.
Tampa for example are -21 in SAT, yet there +21 in goal differential and currently 1st overall at 12-2. That to me is just fawking weird!!

Individually, last year - top 10 in SAT were:
Burns, Sequin, Karlsson, Bergeron, Voracek - yet they averaged around 8% shooting - that's equivalent to Loui Ekrisson and Reid Boucher's numbers....
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Nov 9 @ 12:08 PM ET
Team corsi and individual shot attempts are related, but different in my opinion. You're right, a team's ability to generate shots doesn't necessarily correlate to goals and wins. High danger scoring chances are a better way to measure a team's ability to generate offense. However, an individual player's ability to get shots off at a high rate does seem to correlate with goal scoring ability, as evidenced by the collection of players that rank near the top of the league in that category. My point in posting that original chart is that Boeser finds himself in good company in his shot attempts per 60 and that's a good sign for him developing as a top goal scorer in this league.
- nucks_94


Saw this on twitter a couple weeks back, kinda speaks to your point there about getting chances from certain areas:

neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Nov 9 @ 12:08 PM ET
Anybody watching the WHL vs. Russia?
Lind has looked really good, I like the wrist shot/passing. Reminds me a bit of Nassy actually.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Nov 9 @ 12:09 PM ET
Are you talking Sedins? I don't think they'll be re-signed.
- LeftCoaster


You say that like they will they will want to retire... I guarantee they won’t get the Shane Doan treatment. #onemoreyear
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Nov 9 @ 12:15 PM ET
You say that like they will they will want to retire... I guarantee they won’t get the Shane Doan treatment. #onemoreyear
- 1970vintage

I think it's quite obvious they don't have much more to offer and the team is largely successful right now because they're not getting top minutes anymore.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Nov 9 @ 12:17 PM ET
He offered me Minnesota's Granlund, ranked 594th with 1G and 4P for Brayden Point, ranked 58th with 17 points, straight up
- WhiteLie


Lol
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Nov 9 @ 12:17 PM ET
Im not losing by much each week, just missing a high-end forward center. They're actually good players.

Every category is always really close, for the most part, as I said I just need a high-end center.

- LeftCoaster

I thought the trade was fine myself.
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